"Neil W Rickert" <rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote in message
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Try "talk.origins" if you want to see the sparks fly. By comparison,
"sci.math" is tame. And there are groups far worse that
"talk.origins".

Which ones?

"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote:


"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Tom Potter wrote:

As can be seen by the number of posts in this thread,
and the references to his web site in thousands of other posts,
a computer programmer, who took some data processing classes
at a third rate California college, has become a highly regarded expert
in math, physics, and other science disciplines, and
many people, who pretend to be rational, intelligent, open-minded
scientists (Or at least, pretend to have a scientific mind.),
frequently use this programmer as a major reference.

What third rate California college? Who rated it? What criteria?

Hey Wormley,
as you use this programmer's web site as your primary rederence,
it seems to me that you should know what college your resident expert
attended.

If you want to know how this college rates,
I suggest that you learn how to use Google.

I suggest you learn how to use Usenet.

Jim

"Pat" <mrpat@blue.DUMP.SPAM.CRAPEIE.yonder.co.uk> writes:
"Neil W Rickert" <rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote in message
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Try "talk.origins" if you want to see the sparks fly. By comparison,
"sci.math" is tame. And there are groups far worse that
"talk.origins".

Which ones?

I don't know. Among those I regularly browse, talk.origins is the
worst.

But you might try "talk.atheism", "alt.atheism",
"alt.atheism.illogical-fuckwits", "alt.religion.christian.hypocrisy".

Religious disputes tend to bring out the worst.

"Neil W Rickert" <rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote in message
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Try "talk.origins" if you want to see the sparks fly. By comparison,
"sci.math" is tame. And there are groups far worse that
"talk.origins".

Which ones?

"James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message > > James self-diagnosed
narcisstic personality disorder.

Well I did think that I had the disorder in the past.

James has repeatedly stated that he is "testing" the group, or
performing an experiment on it (sociological or psychological, or
whatever he thinks at the moment).

I'm testing mathematicians' real love of mathematics, especially "pure
math" since they often claim that they value mathematics for its own
sake, and further make claims about "beauty" in mathematics.

Given the extremely hostile reaction, where insults are seen as a
proper form of communication, that I've seen from mathematicians and
people I call math groupies, it makes sense to see how far outside
mainstream social norms they lie.

After all, mathematics is a VERY important subject, and I think it
important if *modern* mathematicians have gone off the path of proper
intellectual endeavor.

My guess is that they have too much power today, and have learned that
modern society doesn't know what they're really doing and is afraid to
challenge them to prove their worth.


James took pride in the crank label, and now he wants everubody to
revisit it in numerous curent posts. He disowns that pride now and
dismisses it because he used quotes around the term. Hence, I did the
same, albeit with some sarcasm.

I don't take pride in a negative and insulting label.

I do take pride in challenging people in the tradition of Socrates.

Remember him?

He was considered a gadfly in his time as he asked questions.

I ask questions.


James has repeatedly requested that others refrain from posting to
"his threads," as if he owned them. David Ullrich, in particular,
receives this "request."

David Ullrich is a special case as anyone who bothers to do a search
at

http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

with "David Ullrich" in the author field and "racial slur" in the
"exact phrase" field, will find out.

Being someone who repeatedly engages in negative attacks against me,
who was called on his bad behavior, David Ullrich appeals to the crowd
as a victim.

Granted, some might think I do the same, but he comes to me. That is,
David Ullrich makes sure to come to my threads and reply to my posts,
and then whines when I tell him to go away.

He's a tag-along that just won't go away when he's told that he's not
wanted.

I'm sure those of you who are successful in some way have had to deal
with such people.


James posted one unfinished short story and posted to alt.writing,
requesting help. Immediately, *he* starting attacking the critics,
who were there for the sole purpose to critique his writing style.
Immediately, he came across as the arrogant expert (in his own mind).
One unfinished story and he alienated many within days.

Well that's one point of view on the subject.

Short stories are subjective to a large extent.

I posted a draft and had critiques. I didn't like some things about a
post by *one* of the critiquers, expressed that opinion, and faced a
lot of criticism on the group alt.fiction.original as a result.

It seems to me that Jay Petrulis has spent some effort in his post to
paint a picture, and I want readers to ask themselves, why.

Math society in pushing insults and personal attacks as legitimate
behavior reveals its own true values.

Those of you who might have considered mathematicians better than you
in some way, need only look in my threads and see the reality.

The Socratic Method is a trying one, and many of you might not be
aware of it in this modern world. I suggest you look it up, and
remember what happened to Socrates.

Being a true intellectual is a lot about learning to think for
*yourself* without being dependent on people telling you what is true.

My hope is that I might have in some small way helped some of you
understand that being an adult is a continual process.

It doesn't get any easier from here.

James, as one sufferer to another possible sufferer. I think you should get
some help for the mental state you seem to be in.

Also, you seem to know a lot more maths than most people, but judging by the
threads you are no expert. Why don't you get some help, get yourself
thinking straighter, then you might be able to learn a lot more about maths,
and even do some interesting work for people to appreciate?

"Pat" <mrpat@blue.DUMP.SPAM.CRAPEIE.yonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<qJrBb.1222$5G.17188972@news-text.cableinet.net>...

James, as one sufferer to another possible sufferer. I think you should get
some help for the mental state you seem to be in.

You assume too much. I *have* consulted mental health professionals.

Why are you accepting online diagnosis from posters or even my own
comments about my fears of mental illness?

Shouldn't you be *more* sensitive on the subject?

Worse, by accepting their diagnoses, you're simply giving posters who
like to use accusations of mental illness more power.

Don't just assume that because you guess that another person is
mentally ill that you have the expertise to make that medical
diagnosis, and especially don't just assume that you know what their
medical history is--like whether or not they've consulted mental
health professionals.

Also, you seem to know a lot more maths than most people, but judging by the
threads you are no expert. Why don't you get some help, get yourself
thinking straighter, then you might be able to learn a lot more about maths,
and even do some interesting work for people to appreciate?

I haven't claimed to be an expert!!!

I've found some math that interests me, which I believe *should*
interest mathematicians if their own claims about "pure math" and
appreciation of beauty in mathematics are to be believed.

However, they've responded with insults and personal attacks like
accusations of mental illness.

But actual mental health professionals have never diagnosed me with
any mental illness other than a brief bit of depression back when I
was in college.

It pains me that I need to share that information because of people
like you Pat, who open the door to spurious attacks by taking them
seriously.

Just because I like to post about my math research on several
newsgroups, can get belligerent at times, and at times question my own
mental health, it doesn't make me mentally ill.

Mental health professionals are tasked with making such diagnoses and
people who decide to act as psychiatrists or psychologists online to
give their own medical diagnoses, usually as a means to attack another
person, are a danger to others because unfortunately, people *do* take
them seriously.

James Harris

James, as one sufferer to another possible sufferer. I think you should
get
some help for the mental state you seem to be in.

You assume too much. I *have* consulted mental health professionals.

Why are you accepting online diagnosis from posters or even my own
comments about my fears of mental illness?

Shouldn't you be *more* sensitive on the subject?

Worse, by accepting their diagnoses, you're simply giving posters who
like to use accusations of mental illness more power.

Don't just assume that because you guess that another person is
mentally ill that you have the expertise to make that medical
diagnosis, and especially don't just assume that you know what their
medical history is--like whether or not they've consulted mental
health professionals.


Also, you seem to know a lot more maths than most people, but judging by
the
threads you are no expert. Why don't you get some help, get yourself
thinking straighter, then you might be able to learn a lot more about
maths,
and even do some interesting work for people to appreciate?

I haven't claimed to be an expert!!!

I've found some math that interests me, which I believe *should*
interest mathematicians if their own claims about "pure math" and
appreciation of beauty in mathematics are to be believed.

However, they've responded with insults and personal attacks like
accusations of mental illness.

But actual mental health professionals have never diagnosed me with
any mental illness other than a brief bit of depression back when I
was in college.

It pains me that I need to share that information because of people
like you Pat, who open the door to spurious attacks by taking them
seriously.

Just because I like to post about my math research on several
newsgroups, can get belligerent at times, and at times question my own
mental health, it doesn't make me mentally ill.

Mental health professionals are tasked with making such diagnoses and
people who decide to act as psychiatrists or psychologists online to
give their own medical diagnoses, usually as a means to attack another
person, are a danger to others because unfortunately, people *do* take
them seriously.


James Harris

In article <bKuBb.1464$QY1.18482287@news-text.cableinet.net>,
Pat <mrpat@blue.DUMP.SPAM.CRAPEIE.yonder.co.uk> wrote:

"Neil W Rickert" <rickert+nn@cs.niu.edu> wrote in message
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[.snip.]

Try "talk.origins" if you want to see the sparks fly. By comparison,
"sci.math" is tame. And there are groups far worse that
"talk.origins".

Which ones?

talk.abortion ?

[...]
Also, you seem to know a lot more maths than most people, but judging by the
threads you are no expert. Why don't you get some help, get yourself
thinking straighter, then you might be able to learn a lot more about maths,
and even do some interesting work for people to appreciate?

I haven't claimed to be an expert!!!

Try "talk.origins" if you want to see the sparks fly. By comparison,
"sci.math" is tame. And there are groups far worse that
"talk.origins".

Which ones?

talk.abortion ?