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gowan
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:01 pm
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jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote in message news:<3c65f87.0312052040.50d01a71@posting.google.com>...
Quote:
Well I contacted Lagarias again, and for those of you outside of math
circles and the area of prime numbers, he's a mathematician that you
can consider to be an expert in the area of prime numbers.

His reply makes me consider what is likely to be the defense of
mathematicians I've contacted over the years when it becomes clear
just how important to the heart of mathematics my work is.

My guess is that mathematicians wish to use journals as a defense, and
claim that it was my responsibility to get a paper in format for a
journal, and present it to journal editors until *someone* published
my results.

Their own defense then being that it's just not their fault if I
couldn't manage to write a paper that other mathematicians would
consider.

The excuse is that if you find something, no matter how dramatic it
might be, if you can't write a math paper in a standard format, then
mathematicians don't have to be expected to pay attention to your
result.

Some of you may not understand just how strict of a requirement that
is, unless you read math journals, or even maybe have read sci.math
long enough, to see the withering criticisms of Ph.D's in physics
who've tried to write math papers.

Physicists have their way of writing papers; mathematicians have their
own.

Mathematicians pride themselves on a special format, that has a
certain look, feel and read particular to, you guessed it,
mathematicians.

Basically the barrier to outsiders isn't content, but style.

I want those of you outside of the math world to hear that potential
defense now, so that you can consider it before the mathematicians can
deliver it in earnest, when I put them, and their practices, on public
trial.


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/


Just a brief explanation... All prominent mathematicians receive
dozens of unsolicited submissions from people not known to them. The
vast vast majority of these are wrong. Sometimes it takes some work
to find exactly what's wrong. These prominent mathematicians have
better things to do with their time so they may "delegate" the work of
checking to journal referees. That doesn't mean they denegrate the
work, just that they don't have time to spend on it themselves. It
could be taken as a positive response that it was suggested that you
write it up formally and submit it to a journal.
Pat
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:29 pm
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I think your a cunt, taking the piss like that out of him. Your just some
freak calculating machine with no empathy for someone with problems. Have
you had your 'almond' replaced with a calculating silicon chip in some
cyborg experiment. Fuck, the machines are taking over, it is the matrix come
to life. I am interested to know what is your mental subjective experience
like...10101010....01010101... :)

"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:3FD20404.AAD42D80@hate.spam.net...
Quote:
James Harris wrote:

Well I contacted Lagarias again, and for those of you outside of math
circles and the area of prime numbers, he's a mathematician that you
can consider to be an expert in the area of prime numbers.

His reply makes me consider what is likely to be the defense of
mathematicians I've contacted over the years when it becomes clear
just how important to the heart of mathematics my work is.

[snip]

1) The bottom line:

Hey stooopid loud troll James Harris, put up or shut up,

http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/factoring/faq.html
http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/challenges/factoring/numbers.html
http://www.crank.net/harris.html
It's not every braying jackass that gets a whole page at crank.net

2) The aesthetics of psychosis:

Ode to James Harris

Somebody said it couldn't be done,
But James with a chuckle replied
That "maybe it couldn't," but he would be one
Who wouldn't say so till he'd tried.
So James buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
James started to sing and he tackled the thing
And James never fucking could do it.

Somebody scoffed: "Oh, you'll never do that;
At least no one has ever done it";
But James took off his coat and he took off his hat,
And the first thing we knew he'd begun it.
With a lift of his chin and a bit of a grin,
Without any doubting or quiddit,
James started to sing and he tackled the thing
And James never fucking could do it.

There are thousands to tell James it cannot be done,
There are thousands to prophesy failure;
There are thousands to point out to James, one by one,
"How hopeless that task set before you."
But just buckle in with a bit of a grin,
James take off your coat and go to it;
Just start to sing as you tackle the thing
And James, you'll never fucking do it.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
David Harden
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:05 pm
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jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote in message news:<3c65f87.0312052040.50d01a71@posting.google.com>...
Quote:
Well I contacted Lagarias again, and for those of you outside of math
circles and the area of prime numbers, he's a mathematician that you
can consider to be an expert in the area of prime numbers.

A _real_ mathematician! Oooohhhh... shiny...
Quote:

His reply makes me consider what is likely to be the defense of
mathematicians I've contacted over the years when it becomes clear
just how important to the heart of mathematics my work is.

Yes. It is worthless shit. A waste of time. Enough said.
Quote:

My guess is that mathematicians wish to use journals as a defense, and
claim that it was my responsibility to get a paper in format for a
journal, and present it to journal editors until *someone* published
my results.

Even if you do get it in a good format, the stuff you present will be
utter drivel, unless you make a great change in the way you approach
math.
Quote:

Their own defense then being that it's just not their fault if I
couldn't manage to write a paper that other mathematicians would
consider.

Well then go find someone who can write in this style who is willing
to work with you to put your work in this style -- if there is real
content to it, that is. Mathematicians are also trained to look for
that, and many of them are rather friendly people, as long as you
don't approach them irrationally.
Quote:

The excuse is that if you find something, no matter how dramatic it
might be, if you can't write a math paper in a standard format, then
mathematicians don't have to be expected to pay attention to your
result.

No matter how dramatic it is, the logic behind it might be flawed. We
want to guard against that. Clarity of exposition allows us to be sure
easily. You lack this severely.
Quote:

Some of you may not understand just how strict of a requirement that
is, unless you read math journals, or even maybe have read sci.math
long enough, to see the withering criticisms of Ph.D's in physics
who've tried to write math papers.

Physicists have their way of writing papers; mathematicians have their
own.

Mathematicians pride themselves on a special format, that has a
certain look, feel and read particular to, you guessed it,
mathematicians.

Clarity is useful. So is rigor. The format of mathematical exposition
allows both well. There are reasons for these things.
Quote:

Basically the barrier to outsiders isn't content, but style.

See my earlier remark.
Quote:

I want those of you outside of the math world to hear that potential
defense now, so that you can consider it before the mathematicians can
deliver it in earnest, when I put them, and their practices, on public
trial.

I am sure that real mathematicians are shaking to their marrow.

---- David
James Harris
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:03 am
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roddleeh@mit.edu (David Harden) wrote in message news:<a0d492b9.0312071605.29a0bc6f@posting.google.com>...
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jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote in message news:<3c65f87.0312052040.50d01a71@posting.google.com>...
Well I contacted Lagarias again, and for those of you outside of math
circles and the area of prime numbers, he's a mathematician that you
can consider to be an expert in the area of prime numbers.

A _real_ mathematician! Oooohhhh... shiny...

His reply makes me consider what is likely to be the defense of
mathematicians I've contacted over the years when it becomes clear
just how important to the heart of mathematics my work is.

Yes. It is worthless shit. A waste of time. Enough said.

Remember the issue here is *knowledge* as what I found is NOT in math
references.

I want readers to consider the heavily charged *emotional* reaction
from posters like David Harden, who from his posted email address is
from MIT.

Now then, if you found something that counted prime numbers that
wasn't in math references, wouldn't you talk about it?

But would you now? Wouldn't at least *some* of you be terrified of
mathematicians and math groupies coming after you?

Here's the math for those of you who forget the specifics:

dS(x,y) = [p(x/y, y-1) - p(y-1, sqrt(y-1))][ p(y, sqrt(y)) - p(y-1,
sqrt(y-1))],

S(x,1) = 0, p(x, y) = floor(x) - S(x, y) - 1,

and S(x,y) is the sum of dS from dS(x,2) to dS(x,y).

Those are all the instructions needed for calculating p(x,y) for any
positive integer x and y, and it just so happens p(x,sqrt(x)) gives a
count of primes.

You can't find that information in a math reference. That's because I
discovered the formula and method over 18 months ago, and
mathematicians have balked at recording it.

Now then, do you really think that if you figured out something
mathematical, you'd dare to push if mathematicians told you to bug
off?

Or wouldn't you fold?

Would you keep pushing for 18 month?

You'd give up, wouldn't you?

Think about that power that mathematicians have!!!


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/
C. Bond
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:06 am
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James Harris wrote:

[snip prologue to umpteenth^umpteenth post of same shopworn algorithm below]

Quote:
Here's the math for those of you who forget the specifics:

dS(x,y) = [p(x/y, y-1) - p(y-1, sqrt(y-1))][ p(y, sqrt(y)) - p(y-1,
sqrt(y-1))],

S(x,1) = 0, p(x, y) = floor(x) - S(x, y) - 1,

and S(x,y) is the sum of dS from dS(x,2) to dS(x,y).

Those are all the instructions needed for calculating p(x,y) for any
positive integer x and y, and it just so happens p(x,sqrt(x)) gives a
count of primes.

You can't find that information in a math reference. That's because I
discovered the formula and method over 18 months ago, and
mathematicians have balked at recording it.

No one but you is interested in it. There are better, faster, less memory-intensive ways of counting primes.

Quote:
Now then, do you really think that if you figured out something
mathematical, you'd dare to push if mathematicians told you to bug
off?

1+1+1=3, discovered by Lennon and McCartney, published in "Come Together".

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James Harris
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:30 pm
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Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message news:<4aZAb.5510$rP6.4019@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
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In article <bqrpl7$262vg0$1@ID-206850.news.uni-berlin.de>, David Moran
wrote:
I want those of you outside of the math world to hear that potential
defense now, so that you can consider it before the mathematicians can
deliver it in earnest, when I put them, and their practices, on public
trial.

Trial? Nobody's broken the law so you can't put anyone on trial. And if
you

This is why people should ignore cranks, rather than tease them, because
there IS a way they can *try* to put something as nebulous as mathematics on
trial. Basically, they can commit a crime, and then try to bring up as part
of their defense that the crime was justified in response to the way the
mathematicians were mistreating them.

You mean mathematicians, not mathematics in your paragraph, and while
you were trying to insult me by basically calling me a crank, I'll
leave your lack of social grace and move on to the point you
apparently were trying to make.

Mathematics is an *extremely* important discipline, and it has a
glorious history; however, there are modern trends in mathematics
which are troubling.

What troubles me most is an emphasis on lack of practicality, so you
have mathematicians who can't give you mathematics that's useful in
science, or economics, or anything useful, who are understood by only
a handful of fellow specialists.

By showing my "pure math" discoveries and the disdain these people are
showing towards them, as well as, in cases, their vicious gang
behavior, like the continuing insults, I'm making the case that
something is indeed wrong in today's math world.

Quote:

Think Howard Roark from the movie "The Fountainhead" (and I'd guess the
book, too, since Ayn Rand did the script for the movie). In the movie
(spoiler alert...stop reading now if you plan to see the movie (or read the
book, I suppose) and don't want a major development given away), Roark, an
architect, blows up a building that is under construction, because they made
changes to his design, and defends himself with a lot of Randian blithering.
(It's still a pretty good movie).

Um, does anyone else see the relevance of that last paragraph?

Oh well, sometimes I hope too much from Usenet posters, but rarely do
I encounter people who can engage in a rational debate. They start
out possibly making sense, and then their posts degenerate from there.

In any event, the issue here is knowledge, and the duty of
mathematicians to report knowledge in their field, without regard to
who discovered it.

Now mathematicians may believe they can just call me names, and claim
I *must* be able to write a math paper that they like, and present it
to a math journal that accepts it, or my finds are worthless, but I
don't think most rational people will agree.

Giving mathematicians the power to do work useless to society and call
it "pure math" just gives them license to steal. And I'm showing just
how little truth and beauty in mathematics really matters to our
modern mathematicians.


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/
C. Bond
Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:37 pm
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James Harris wrote:

[snip]

Quote:
Now mathematicians may believe they can just call me names, and claim
I *must* be able to write a math paper that they like, and present it
to a math journal that accepts it, or my finds are worthless, but I
don't think most rational people will agree.

Most mathematicians *and* rational people, agree that if you make a claim, the burden is on you to provide proof. But where is
the proof (or even meager evidence) that your so-called 'partial differential equation' solves the prime counting problem?
Where is the data? So far...nothing. What's wrong, James? Where you just blustering (over and over and over and over)?

Put up or SHUT UP!

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Democracy: The triumph of popularity over principle.
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