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Joshua P. Hill
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:44 pm
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On 4 Dec 2003 12:00:09 -0800, jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:

Quote:
Math society, oddly enough, is not exactly rational.

Math people are rather odd, not just in ways you might have realized
before, but often they just don't make sense logically.

It's like they're in their own little world, with rules they make up
as they go.

As you know, I usually make an effort to stay out of these things, but
-- is there an emoticon for a dropped jaw?

--

Josh

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James Harris
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:21 pm
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dmcanzi@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi) wrote in message news:<bqokoe$9oh$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>...
Quote:
In article <bql38u$5g1$1@info4.fnal.gov>, EjP <nospam@hackers.are.bad> wrote:
James Harris wrote:
Mathematicians have a society
that is strangely separate from the rest of the world, which seems to
follow its own rules, like how it has to my knowledge *still* not
given John Nash a single award.

I'm trying hard to understand your complaint. Are you upset that
mathemtical prizes are given to one mathematician over another,
rather than just passed out to all mathematicians?

Or are you upset that they didn't give more medals to
Nash based on the fact that Ron Howard made a movie about him?

JSH is desparately trying to explain the disinterest of mathematicians
in him and his work without admitting that his belief in his own
greatness could be mistaken. He is *relieved*, not upset, at the idea
that Nash was snubbed by other mathematicians.

That's not true. I find the behavior of mathematicians to be odd, and
considered them not giving John Nash an award--someone who clearly
deserved one--as evidence that they are completely outside of the
values of society.

However, I've been told that he *did* receive a couple of awards from
mathematicians, so that particular criticism was thankfully in error.

I'm a problem solver. I like solving problems. As I consider the
outlines of the problem I'm facing now, I make mistakes.

Mistakes are to be expected.


James Harris

"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/
Brian Quincy Hutchings
Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:53 pm
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[note to my shrink: sorry!]

let's humor Jimi Harris and the Math-sub-nu Experience:
not only did "The Invisible John" win awards for math, but
he did not win a Nobel Prize;
there is no Prize in economics. rather,
there is a "Swedish Bank Prize that's awarded
at the annual Nobel Prize ceremony," due to a largish endowment.
that's how you get pigs like Robert Mundell,
the real author of "supply-side econ," Laffer being his student,
being rewarded for tehir money-grubbing perfidy (although
they gave it to him for some other thing; I forgot).

the movie is strictly porpoganda for the "emmissions trading scheme"
of the Kyoto Protocol, which was not mentioned (I read taht
"the math" and its use in the algorithms for the FCC auctions
of the airwaves, was); thus,
"The Invisible John" won an Oscar for Not the Worst Love Story
Ever Produced in Most of the Voters' Lifetimes --
with a bunch of equaitons, supposedly the real stuff,
whizzing by in an edifying blur.

the "scheme" is going online on Dec.12,
according to the LATimes (but
that wasn't a *headline* in the Business sec.), because
113 countries, mostly in the "fomererly known
as the Wholly Brutish Umpire" freer-trade bloc,
have ratified it -- over the 80 that were required,
whether/whenever Russia gets around to it.

lies, damn lies and polls!... also not mentioned
in "Johnny, the movie," was where he was working
when he went nuts, who used it in their war-games,
ever-after; here's the relavent URL (the first one):

--Dec.2000 'WAND' Chairman Paul O'Neill, reelected to Board. Newsish?
http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.12.00/
http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3044iraq_history.html
http://larouchepub.com/other/2003/3042shock_awe_wwii.html

magidin@math.berkeley.edu (Arturo Magidin) wrote in message news:<bqodg0$dkf$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...

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He did win the Von Neumann award in 1978 and was awarded the Leroy
P. Steele Prize by the AMS. These are not the Fields Medal, true,
but they are math awards.

http://www.nobel.se/economics/laureates/1994/nash-autobio.html

the theory of noncooperative games.

prevailing trend among mathematicians for many years was to search
for "elementary" (i.e., algebraic) proofs and extensions of that
result, and, indeed, to treat all of game theory as little more
than a branch of the theory of linear inequalities, which was then
in an exciting period of rapid growth. John Nash, however, adopted
a radically different viewpoint. As a young graduate student at
Princeton, he conceived the idea of noncooperative equilibrium in
multi-person games and went on to prove a general existence theorem
for this solution concept. His proofs (1950, 1951) are beautiful
applications of the topological fixed point theorems of Brouwer and
Kakutani. Indeed, their present-day familiarity among economists
and others can be traced back to Nash's work, since that work was
the acknowledged basis for the seminal papers of Debreu and Arrow
(1952, 1954) on general equilibrium that touched off the remarkable
revitalization and mathematical deepening that transformed economic
theory in the 1950's and 1960's. This revolution was undoubtedly
going to occur in any case, but in the actual train of events a
most decisive role was played by Nash's clear penetration into the
heart of a fundamental process of social interaction.

"Nash's equilibrium proofs were non-constructive, and for many years
it seemed that the nonlinearity of the problem would prevent the
actual numerical solution of any but the simplest noncooperative
games. The breakthrough came in 1964 with an ingenious algorithm
for the bimatrix case (i.e., finite, two-player games) devised by
Carlton Lemke and J. T. Howson, Jr. It provided both a constructive
existence proof and a practical means of calculation.

"The underlying logic, involving motions on the edges of an
appropriate polyhedron, was simple and elegant yet conceptually
daring in an epoch when such motions were typically contemplated in
the context of linear programming. Lemke took the lead in
exploiting the many ramifications and applications of this
procedure, which range from the very basic linear complementarity
problem of mathematical programming to the problem of calculating
fixed points of continuous, nonlinear mappings arising in various
contexts. A new chapter in the theory and practice of mathematical
programming was thereby opened which quickly became a very active
and well-populated area of research. Nor was the game-theory aspect
neglected: the path-following methodology has been a source of many
new insights into the nature of the Nash Equilibria."

So not only was his other mathematical work recognized by the
mathematical community, the work that would eventually lead to his
Memorial Nobel Prize in Economics was also recognized by the
mathematical community ->before<- it was awarded the Memorial Nobel.
Brian Quincy Hutchings
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:02 pm
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while clipping the excess quotes, I did notice that
Johnny N. got a "Memorial Nobel;" thus,
he could have been the first economist (sik) to get a "real Nobel,"
instead of the Swedish Bank Prize ... *and* an Oscar.

QncyMI@netscape.net (Brian Quincy Hutchings) wrote in message news:<bde404c9.0312051853.61a14571@posting.google.com>...

Quote:
there is no Prize in economics. rather,
there is a "Swedish Bank Prize that's awarded
at the annual Nobel Prize ceremony," due to a largish endowment.
that's how you get pigs like Robert Mundell,

"the math" and its use in the algorithms for the FCC auctions
of the airwaves, was); thus,

the "scheme" is going online on Dec.12,

113 countries, mostly in the "fomererly known
as the Wholly Brutish Umpire" freer-trade bloc,
have ratified it -- over the 80 that were required,
whether/whenever Russia gets around to it.

lies, damn lies and polls!... also not mentioned

So not only was his other mathematical work recognized by the
mathematical community, the work that would eventually lead to his
Memorial Nobel Prize in Economics was also recognized by the
mathematical community ->before<- it was awarded the Memorial Nobel.

--Give the Gift of Dick Cheney -- out of office!
http://larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2003/031128_iraq_statement.html
lensman1955
Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:17 am
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Joshua P. Hill <josh442REMOVETHIS@snet.net> wrote in message news:<vng1tvs26vbt7jo3bvfih5pqg8g9ueon39@4ax.com>...
Quote:
On 4 Dec 2003 12:00:09 -0800, jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:

Math society, oddly enough, is not exactly rational.

Math people are rather odd, not just in ways you might have realized
before, but often they just don't make sense logically.

It's like they're in their own little world, with rules they make up
as they go.

As you know, I usually make an effort to stay out of these things, but
-- is there an emoticon for a dropped jaw?

I think it's either a capital O :O or a zero :0
 
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