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shikakaa@gmail.com
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:15 am
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Hey

I have a couple of question that I hope you can answer. I was googling
around earlier but found no official papers about them...

Anyway I'd like to know:

- how do the astronauts clean their clothes? they spend about 3-6
months on the station, i'm quite sure they need a washing machine or
something. how often do they get to change ... underware and socks and
stuff?

- what kind of 'entertainment' possibilites do they have? is there an
hdtv onboard for nfl maybe?

- do they have continouos internet connection? can they use it to chat
with their friends in offwork hours?

- what kind of noise pollution do they live in? with all the machines
and lack of walls really, i imagine getting a good uninterrupted sleep
would be hard

Thanks for any answers ^^
shikakaa@gmail.com
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:22 am
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Maybe it's not a regular washing machine, but along with taking a
shower to clean the sweat and stuff, you obviously need to change
clothes. And since there's no space or payload capacity to launch 90
pairs of trousers and shirts and underwear and socks for each
astronaut, I'm thinking they must have something to clean the cloths.

Maybe a few seconds in the airlock? Smile
shikakaa@gmail.com
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:45 am
Guest
I thought the russian service module was equipped with all kinds of
hygienic stuff...
They wash themselves by hand only then? For several months?

What does the space station smell like from inside?
Brian Gaff
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:48 pm
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No, nopermanent internet access, yes some IP phone time. Yes plenty of
recorded media. Some live media, but as it has to come through the ku
resources, its obviously limited.

I don't know about clothes, I assumed they just dumped them in a Progress,
but if they hada awashing machine I'm sure we would have heard about it.

One astronaut described the noise as a bit like sleeping next to your fridge
every night, but they do measure the sound levels regularly, and some places
are noisier than others according to the data I've seen. Noise is difficult
as its more the nature of it than the actual level that tends to disturb.

I'm sure folk with more detailed answers will be along shortly.

Sorry just having silly thoughts of a space washing line.

Brian

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Quote:
Hey

I have a couple of question that I hope you can answer. I was googling
around earlier but found no official papers about them...

Anyway I'd like to know:

- how do the astronauts clean their clothes? they spend about 3-6
months on the station, i'm quite sure they need a washing machine or
something. how often do they get to change ... underware and socks and
stuff?

- what kind of 'entertainment' possibilites do they have? is there an
hdtv onboard for nfl maybe?

- do they have continouos internet connection? can they use it to chat
with their friends in offwork hours?

- what kind of noise pollution do they live in? with all the machines
and lack of walls really, i imagine getting a good uninterrupted sleep
would be hard

Thanks for any answers ^^
Jeff Findley
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:18 pm
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<shikakaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Maybe it's not a regular washing machine, but along with taking a
shower to clean the sweat and stuff, you obviously need to change
clothes. And since there's no space or payload capacity to launch 90
pairs of trousers and shirts and underwear and socks for each
astronaut, I'm thinking they must have something to clean the cloths.

Nope. No washing machine and I don't believe there is a shower either. The
shower on Skylab turned out to be a lot harder to use than you'd think. It
reportedly took a long time to vacuum up the water droplets on yourself, and
the inside of the shower.

Quote:
Maybe a few seconds in the airlock? Smile

Nope, they re-use some articles of clothing for multiple days, but
everything they wear comes up clean and ends up being thrown out with the
trash.

Jeff
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John Doe
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:48 pm
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shikakaa@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:
- how do the astronauts clean their clothes?

There were a few succesful attempts at washing clothes. (Using a ziplok
bag, a techniques I described here a long time ago)

Other than that, each progress bring a new batch of clothes, they were
them as long as possible then dump then in the progress to be burned up.

Clean water is a precious commodity on the station. A washing machine
would consume large amounts of water and that water would be
contaminated with soap and dirt, very hard to re-use.


Quote:
- what kind of 'entertainment' possibilites do they have? is there an
hdtv onboard for nfl maybe?

Nop. They use laptops to watch DVDs and shows ground uploads to their
disk drives.


Quote:
- do they have continouos internet connection? can they use it to chat
with their friends in offwork hours?

No internet access. But they have some IP phones and I think video
phones that they can setup to talk to family members via NASA
facilities. Don't think that they can "dial" anyone directly, they have
to get someone at NASA to establish the connection to the other party.


Quote:
- what kind of noise pollution do they live in?

The russian modules are quite noisy. But they have 2 bedrooms there and
I suspect that closing the doors gives them better sound levels. The USA
segment is much quieter. I think the Quest airlock is the quietest place
(not sure about node2 and columbus).

Noise levels on the russian segments have been a concern since day1.
Jorge R. Frank
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:08 pm
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shikakaa@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
I thought the russian service module was equipped with all kinds of
hygienic stuff...

It does have a toilet. But no clothes washing machine, and no shower.

Quote:
They wash themselves by hand only then? For several months?

Yes.

Quote:
What does the space station smell like from inside?

Fortunately, in space the sense of smell is somewhat dulled by body
fluids redistributing themselves evenly throughout the body (instead of
being pooled by gravity), which clogs the sinuses a bit. It affects
taste for the same reason; astronauts tend to prefer spicier foods in
space than they would eat on the ground. The number one food item among
NASA astronauts is shrimp cocktail loaded with horseradish.

Nevertheless, some smell does come through. The interior smell of ISS
has been compared to a locker room, though different crewmembers report
different impressions.
Jorge R. Frank
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:14 pm
Guest
Brian Gaff wrote:
Quote:
No, nopermanent internet access, yes some IP phone time. Yes plenty of
recorded media. Some live media, but as it has to come through the ku
resources, its obviously limited.

Right. Lots of DVDs, fairly limited live broadcasts.

Quote:
One astronaut described the noise as a bit like sleeping next to your fridge
every night, but they do measure the sound levels regularly, and some places
are noisier than others according to the data I've seen. Noise is difficult
as its more the nature of it than the actual level that tends to disturb.

The Russian segment is considerably noisier than the US segment, as it
was adapted from Mir designs without regard for US noise standards.
Early crews installed baffles on some equipment to muffle the sound but
the dB levels still exceed standards.
Brian Gaff
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:07 am
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Well, I understand Mir used tohave a very interesting odour.

I'd imagine washing is rather as one would do in hospital, wet cloth or
similar. You can dry things but the adding of too much moisture in the air
might overload the dehumidifiers a bit.

There are always tests for airborne spores and bacteria, so they have
obviously thought this through to some extent. Some upgraded hygene
equipment would beneeded for any long stay off planet I'd have thought, so I
expect someone is working on it somewhere!

Brian

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Quote:
I thought the russian service module was equipped with all kinds of
hygienic stuff...
They wash themselves by hand only then? For several months?

What does the space station smell like from inside?
Brian Gaff
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:09 am
Guest
It is hard to make the kind of equipment quiet and for it to stay that way.

Brian

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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
No, nopermanent internet access, yes some IP phone time. Yes plenty of
recorded media. Some live media, but as it has to come through the ku
resources, its obviously limited.

Right. Lots of DVDs, fairly limited live broadcasts.

One astronaut described the noise as a bit like sleeping next to your
fridge every night, but they do measure the sound levels regularly, and
some places are noisier than others according to the data I've seen.
Noise is difficult as its more the nature of it than the actual level
that tends to disturb.

The Russian segment is considerably noisier than the US segment, as it was
adapted from Mir designs without regard for US noise standards. Early
crews installed baffles on some equipment to muffle the sound but the dB
levels still exceed standards.
shikakaa@gmail.com
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:44 am
Guest
Thank you for the answers, they are exactly like what I hoped for,
really, thank you so much!
Derek Lyons
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:29 pm
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote:

Quote:
shikakaa@gmail.com wrote:

What does the space station smell like from inside?

Fortunately, in space the sense of smell is somewhat dulled by body
fluids redistributing themselves evenly throughout the body (instead of
being pooled by gravity), which clogs the sinuses a bit. It affects
taste for the same reason; astronauts tend to prefer spicier foods in
space than they would eat on the ground. The number one food item among
NASA astronauts is shrimp cocktail loaded with horseradish.

Nevertheless, some smell does come through. The interior smell of ISS
has been compared to a locker room, though different crewmembers report
different impressions.

Sounds like what the insides of submarines smell like. (This is the
reason they were nicknamed 'pig boats'.)

Even without the sense of smell being dulled, I'd be surprised if the
crew could smell it after more than a day or two - as the body/mind
tends to edit persistent and non threatening smells out of their
perception. (Ever walked into a house that is a pigpen and wonder how
the inhabitants thereof can live the with smell? This is how, they
literally cannot smell it.) We had that effect when we reported to
the boat to swap crews - for the first day or two you were almost
overwhelmed by the smell, then in 'vanished'.

One interesting factoid - every boat had its own smell. When you had
to go aboard a different boat, you'd almost instantly note the smell.
Thus, as the crews (and the physical enviroment due to added modules)
on ISS change I am not surprised that the smell changes slightly.

D.
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Derek Lyons
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:34 pm
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"Brian Gaff" <Briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
It is hard to make the kind of equipment quiet and for it to stay that way.


It's non trivial, but eminently doable. The problem however is
twofold: it costs two things in short supply on ISS - space and
weight, and it has to be designed into the equipment from Day One.

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Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:20 pm
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shikakaa@gmail.com wrote:

Fortunately, in space the sense of smell is somewhat dulled by body fluids
redistributing themselves evenly throughout the body (instead of being
pooled by gravity), which clogs the sinuses a bit. It affects taste for
the same reason; astronauts tend to prefer spicier foods in space than
they would eat on the ground. The number one food item among NASA
astronauts is shrimp cocktail loaded with horseradish.

You know, I keep thinking if they like it spicier than on the ground, they'd
have to ship up a LOT of spice if I ever flew :-)


Quote:

Nevertheless, some smell does come through. The interior smell of ISS has
been compared to a locker room, though different crewmembers report
different impressions.

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Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:21 pm
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message
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The Russian segment is considerably noisier than the US segment, as it was
adapted from Mir designs without regard for US noise standards. Early
crews installed baffles on some equipment to muffle the sound but the dB
levels still exceed standards.

Any idea of the average db levels in the various parts of the US segment?


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