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Pat Flannery
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:37 pm
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Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
Quote:
Good luck, under HIPAA they generally can't even say if he's been admitted.


"Oh _HIM_, the one down in room 47!" Smile
Knowing OM, he's probably in Dr.Yamachi's New Era Hospital and Whorehouse.

Pat
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:39 pm
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Pat Flannery wrote:
Quote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Email me with the name of the hospital, Pat. I'll call as soon as I
know where to call. If you don't know, then I guess I'll have to
call 'em all.

He never mentioned the name of the place.

I'll see what I can figure out.

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nimue@databasix.com

Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity...

....but keep your eyes open. Robert A. Heinlein
Neil Gerace
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:13 pm
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Quote:
B5 was supposed to be the big talk down around the water cooler at NASA
when it came on, due to the fact that the Starfuries actually acted like
space fighters in a vacuum, rather than SW T-65 X-Wings.

I haven't watched much B5. Did that show treat space as an acoustic
conductor, like most shows do?
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:04 pm
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message
news:13u3e929q6fjgb4@corp.supernews.com...
Quote:

I already anticipated the BG reference in my first reply to him back when
the toes came off around a month ago.
By God, I was pleasantly surprised by that show... I finally got around to
watching season 1 on DVD a few weeks back, and I've got to admit they
managed to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
Of course I'm a technology geek, and I sat there looking at the Galactica
and thinking " ... you know, that makes a lot of sense... in the absence
of atmosphere you actually could put the structural framework on the
exterior of the ship, rather than inside. No one's ever thought of that
before."

Well note that the designers are "assuming" that much of the exterior armor
had been removed, in theory the original Galactica had a smoother skin.

But does look cool.

Quote:
It certainly makes for a uncluttered interior of the primary pressure
hull. It also makes it look even more like a giant crocodile standing on
twin pontoons than the original one.

Ayup.

<snip>
Quote:
And God bless them, they've got thrusters on the Vipers and space missiles
with some sort of guidance and homing system on them, which is more than
most photon and proton torpedoes ever had.

I think "time" has definitely helped in that viewers expect more realism.
So they actually fly Vipers in space like a spacecraft, not an aircraft.

(In fact in a Season II episode, they do a straffing run on a Cylon
spaceship by basically angling the nose in the direction of the craft and
then "flying" sideways.)


Quote:
Of course, in the real world, space torpedoes would probably have a yield
of around a megaton or more*, and that still seems to be unrealized
outside of Galaxy Quest, and when John Sheridan took on the Black Star and
the Shadow capital city in B5.
At least in the first season of BG, no good explanation as to why the
Cylons didn't take on Galactica with hundreds of thermonuclear missiles
rather than just one.

They don't really go into much detail on that, but it seems neither side
makes much use of nukes beyond the initla attacks.

And they don't explain why theey use nukes when Tylium seems to be even more
powerful (my guess is Tylium while explosive, can't react fast enough or
something.)


Definitely a great series.


Quote:

* Antimatter, metastable helium, or H-bombs using even contemporary ICBM
warhead technology.

Pat

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Pat Flannery
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:08 pm
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Bash wrote:
Quote:

Had SSS been alive in 1986, I'm sure he would have done one for
challenger as well.

I think one of his major reasons for doing the Columbia loss FAQ was

the fact that the Shuttle broke up pretty much directly over his head.

Quote:
When you do get in touch, please pass on my best wishes for a speedy
recovery.

Nothing from him yet.

Quote:
I'm sure he's hanging in there, betcha the hospital simply
lost their internet feed.

Oh God, you can imagine his reaction to that.

Quote:
Y'know a number 6 nurse designed virus Wink
Please mention that to him too :-)


I already anticipated the BG reference in my first reply to him back
when the toes came off around a month ago.
By God, I was pleasantly surprised by that show... I finally got around
to watching season 1 on DVD a few weeks back, and I've got to admit they
managed to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
Of course I'm a technology geek, and I sat there looking at the
Galactica and thinking " ... you know, that makes a lot of sense... in
the absence of atmosphere you actually could put the structural
framework on the exterior of the ship, rather than inside. No one's ever
thought of that before." It certainly makes for a uncluttered interior
of the primary pressure hull. It also makes it look even more like a
giant crocodile standing on twin pontoons than the original one.
They managed to pull off what the original series and "Space: Above And
Beyond" never succeeded in doing; classic Golden Age sci-fi space
military stories (now that Arthur C. Clarke has gone, the last of
Golden Age authors is no more; and like the knights of the round table,
exist only in great memories of olde, purchased at the local book store
on pulp paper for under a dollar each, while they were being paid around
three cents per word for writing the stories.... when putting food on
the table meant writing great stuff on a monthly basis, sci-fi writing
hit its apogee out of simple economic necessity for the authors). Wink
And God bless them, they've got thrusters on the Vipers and space
missiles with some sort of guidance and homing system on them, which is
more than most photon and proton torpedoes ever had.
Of course, in the real world, space torpedoes would probably have a
yield of around a megaton or more*, and that still seems to be
unrealized outside of Galaxy Quest, and when John Sheridan took on the
Black Star and the Shadow capital city in B5.
At least in the first season of BG, no good explanation as to why the
Cylons didn't take on Galactica with hundreds of thermonuclear missiles
rather than just one.

* Antimatter, metastable helium, or H-bombs using even contemporary
ICBM warhead technology.

Pat
Pat Flannery
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:12 pm
Guest
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Quote:
He never mentioned the name of the place.


I'll see what I can figure out.


You call him up when Judy Tenuta is in his hospital room nursing her
"Love God" back to health... and I mean literally _nursing him_ ...and
there's going to be trouble.
That proud and loving mare will not tolerate any others in the field
where her stallion lies wounded.
That is her stud alone, and she shall kill any others who dare approach it.
Such was the Cosmic Interlock on the day those two souls first met.
They are day and night, summer and winter, strong scent meets strong
words, anger meets madness, and a filthy mouth meets a filthy body.
It's like something like one would find in the movie "Xanadu" if Kira
was a perfect whore, and Sonny a perfect pimp.
It's got destined romance written all over it.
Don't ever come between something that profound and majestic.
Especially if you're wearing roller skates. :-)

Pat
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:58 pm
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message
news:13u3kv85onbd21f@corp.supernews.com...
Quote:


Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:

(In fact in a Season II episode, they do a straffing run on a Cylon
spaceship by basically angling the nose in the direction of the craft and
then "flying" sideways.)


B5 beat them to that, the Starfuries went by the Centauri battleship while
firing at it, and actually going backwards as they pivoted their front
ends to keep aim with their guns as they coasted by.

Oh by no means was BSG the first. In fact it's shows like B5 and others
that have sort of "trained" viewers to expect higher levels of realism.

I think it's a good trend.

Quote:

Strange, as against Star Trek deflector shields thermonuclear weapons
might not be all that effective, (despite what happened in "Balance Of
Terror"); in fact, in ST photon torpedoes are specifically designed to
engage enemy vessels at FTL velocities, as they carry a warp field with
them, unlike the phasers - which are limited by traveling at lightspeed.

I think part of it is simply plot and perhaps the argument that transuranics
are still "rare and expensive".


Quote:
But BG technology gives the ships the ability to basically wormhole
themselves from point-to-point in the universe instantaneously without
moving at FTL speeds during the interim.

Wait until the start of the 3rd Season. Adama takes full advantage of a
battlestar's ability to cycle between jumps in a short period of time.

Quote:
B5 technology does kick you into and out of hyperspace for a period of
time, while traveling from point-to-point in the galaxy, and combat can
occur in hyperspace.
Of all three, I think the BG technology is the most likely to be closest
to the truth if FTL becomes a reality.

BSG has definitely avoid the "particle of the week" that later Star Trek
series were prone to. The science and tech tends to take a backseat to the
actual story, etc.

The battlestar itself definitely has the feel (well for us landlubbers) of
an authentic warship. (and little details like using actual army phones for
the shipboard phones is a nice touch.)

Quote:

And they don't explain why theey use nukes when Tylium seems to be even
more powerful (my guess is Tylium while explosive, can't react fast
enough or something.)


Definitely a great series.


Lot of fun.
Lota-lota fun.
Soars on its characters, and the actors and writers doing their parts.
It reminds me of something said about the book "The Caine Mutiny" by a
Navy admiral, shortly after it was published.
"I met every one of those sons-of-bitches in my career, but never all on
the same ship." :-D


Ayup.


Quote:
Pat

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Pat Flannery
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:02 pm
Guest
Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
Quote:

(In fact in a Season II episode, they do a straffing run on a Cylon
spaceship by basically angling the nose in the direction of the craft and
then "flying" sideways.)


B5 beat them to that, the Starfuries went by the Centauri battleship
while firing at it, and actually going backwards as they pivoted their
front ends to keep aim with their guns as they coasted by.
B5 also had the first space combat that ever occurred outside of visual
range - when the Shadows destroyed the Narn battle fleet from several
thousand kilometers away by firing their space mines at them, and
collapsing their jump points as the Narn warships tried to retreat into
hyperspace.
Quote:

Of course, in the real world, space torpedoes would probably have a yield
of around a megaton or more*, and that still seems to be unrealized
outside of Galaxy Quest, and when John Sheridan took on the Black Star and
the Shadow capital city in B5.
At least in the first season of BG, no good explanation as to why the
Cylons didn't take on Galactica with hundreds of thermonuclear missiles
rather than just one.


They don't really go into much detail on that, but it seems neither side
makes much use of nukes beyond the initla attacks.


Strange, as against Star Trek deflector shields thermonuclear weapons
might not be all that effective, (despite what happened in "Balance Of
Terror"); in fact, in ST photon torpedoes are specifically designed to
engage enemy vessels at FTL velocities, as they carry a warp field with
them, unlike the phasers - which are limited by traveling at
lightspeed. But BG technology gives the ships the ability to basically
wormhole themselves from point-to-point in the universe instantaneously
without moving at FTL speeds during the interim.
B5 technology does kick you into and out of hyperspace for a period of
time, while traveling from point-to-point in the galaxy, and combat can
occur in hyperspace.
Of all three, I think the BG technology is the most likely to be closest
to the truth if FTL becomes a reality.

Quote:
And they don't explain why theey use nukes when Tylium seems to be even more
powerful (my guess is Tylium while explosive, can't react fast enough or
something.)


Definitely a great series.


Lot of fun.
Lota-lota fun.
Soars on its characters, and the actors and writers doing their parts.
It reminds me of something said about the book "The Caine Mutiny" by a
Navy admiral, shortly after it was published.
"I met every one of those sons-of-bitches in my career, but never all on
the same ship." :-D

Pat
Pat Flannery
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:30 am
Guest
Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
Quote:
Oh by no means was BSG the first. In fact it's shows like B5 and others
that have sort of "trained" viewers to expect higher levels of realism.


B5 was supposed to be the big talk down around the water cooler at NASA
when it came on, due to the fact that the Starfuries actually acted like
space fighters in a vacuum, rather than SW T-65 X-Wings.

Quote:
I think it's a good trend.


Once you get hooked on the concept that things really do behave
differently in space than on Earth, all sorts of interesting ideas
present themselves in regard to spacecraft act.
Two big problems:
1.) Relationships between alien races are going to be simple, as all of
them are really going to be a lot like us in basic world view and
morality, not to mention the way their minds think.
2.) That we are all going to run into each other at approximately the
same level of technology, like happens in ST, B5, and BG.
It might be more like this: Earth gets into a war with an alien species
in some way, and that alien species changes things just a bit in the
past so that the nebula that becomes the Sun gets dispersed and our
solar system never forms.
In short, the relationship between them and us is that between that of a
fly and a flyswatter.
We're a petty annoyance that should be dealt with like a fly in the
kitchen, and dealt with via the same amount of concern and effort that
a fly buzzing around our heads would be as we cooked.
Fly by once, and it's annoying. By around the third time, you realize
that the little bastard is probably going to be landing on the food
during the whole meal, and it's worth the effort to kill, before the
guests arrive.
Quote:


BSG has definitely avoid the "particle of the week" that later Star Trek
series were prone to. The science and tech tends to take a backseat to the
actual story, etc.

The battlestar itself definitely has the feel (well for us landlubbers) of
an authentic warship. (and little details like using actual army phones for
the shipboard phones is a nice touch.)


The original Enterprise off of the "ST Enterprise" series has that feel
also. First time I saw that's ship's innards I thought "When they make
'The Mote In God's Eye' as a movie, you get this crew together again,
because this is _exactly_ what the interior of the CoDominium
battlecruiser 'MacArthur' would look like. Tiny crew quarters, plumbing
and wiring conduits everywhere, looking a lot more like the inside a
nuclear submarine than a aircraft carrier.

Pat
Anthony Frost
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:21 am
Guest
In message <e50a7833-25bb-429f-8997-e9502bbfa358@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
Neil Gerace <geracen@webace.com.au> wrote:

Quote:
B5 was supposed to be the big talk down around the water cooler at NASA
when it came on, due to the fact that the Starfuries actually acted like
space fighters in a vacuum, rather than SW T-65 X-Wings.

I haven't watched much B5. Did that show treat space as an acoustic
conductor, like most shows do?

They did try to cut down on it, as I remember what got left was
explained away as "They're firing BIG beam weapons, there's bound to be
a huge electromagnetic effect from that which will cause nearby
conductors to vibrate".

Anthony
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:26 am
Guest
Pat Flannery wrote:
Quote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
He never mentioned the name of the place.


I'll see what I can figure out.


You call him up when Judy Tenuta is in his hospital room nursing her
"Love God" back to health... and I mean literally _nursing him_ ...and
there's going to be trouble.
That proud and loving mare will not tolerate any others in the field
where her stallion lies wounded.
That is her stud alone, and she shall kill any others who dare
approach it. Such was the Cosmic Interlock on the day those two souls
first met. They are day and night, summer and winter, strong scent
meets strong
words, anger meets madness, and a filthy mouth meets a filthy body.
It's like something like one would find in the movie "Xanadu" if Kira
was a perfect whore, and Sonny a perfect pimp.
It's got destined romance written all over it.
Don't ever come between something that profound and majestic.
Especially if you're wearing roller skates. Smile

Now I'm more worried about you than I am about him. When he gets back,
he's going to kill you, Pat.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
nimue@databasix.com

Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity...

....but keep your eyes open. Robert A. Heinlein
LooseChanj
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:27 am
Guest
On or about Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:37:33 -0600, Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> made the sensational claim that:
Quote:
"Oh _HIM_, the one down in room 47!" Smile
Knowing OM, he's probably in Dr.Yamachi's New Era Hospital and Whorehouse.

Knowing OM, he probably OWNS the place.
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Brian Thorn
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:44 am
Guest
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:13:05 -0700 (PDT), Neil Gerace
<geracen@webace.com.au> wrote:

Quote:
B5 was supposed to be the big talk down around the water cooler at NASA
when it came on, due to the fact that the Starfuries actually acted like
space fighters in a vacuum, rather than SW T-65 X-Wings.

I haven't watched much B5. Did that show treat space as an acoustic
conductor, like most shows do?

Yes. TV producers will always call the shots. Silent TV doesn't
attract advertisers. (Buffy's "Hush" notwithstanding.)

Brian
Bash
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:44 pm
Guest
Quote:
Nothing from him yet.

Fingers now severely crossed
Quote:

 I'm sure he's hanging in there, betcha the hospital simply
lost their internet feed.

Oh God, you can imagine his reaction to that.

Loud, lewd and so obscene a grizzled gunnery seargent would be proud
of it ;-)

Quote:
 Y'know a number 6 nurse designed virus Wink
Please mention that to him too :-)

I already anticipated the BG reference in my first reply to him back
when the toes came off around a month ago.
By God, I was pleasantly surprised by that show...

I remember OM's initial reaction to the pilot for that show. Think
gunner seargent ;-)

Quote:
Ifinally got around
to watching season 1 on DVD a few weeks back, and I've got to admit they
managed to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

Series one was okay, two was very very good and I got very hooked,
Three was great.

Quote:
Of course I'm a technology geek, and I sat there looking at the
Galactica and thinking  " ... you know, that makes a lot of sense... in
the absence of atmosphere you actually could put the structural
framework on the exterior of the ship, rather than inside. No one's ever
thought of that before."  It certainly makes for a uncluttered interior
of the primary pressure hull. It also makes it look even more like a
giant crocodile standing on twin pontoons than the original one.

And retractable pods too. Interesting design philosphy and very
workable as part of the script (ref the pilot 2 parter) Useful in
terms of mass of machiery to retract them? Probably not, better to
have big blast doors to protect against the proverbial Atlantia death
squadron. - ps that mission mort rate was 100% Wink
Bash
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:50 pm
Guest
On 20 Mar, 04:02, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
Quote:
Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:



(In fact in a Season II episode, they do a straffing run on a Cylon
spaceship by basically angling the nose in the direction of the craft and
then "flying" sideways.)

B5 beat them to that, the Starfuries went by the Centauri battleship
while firing at it, and actually going backwards as they pivoted their
front ends to keep aim with their guns as they coasted by.
B5 also had the first space combat that ever occurred outside of visual
range -  when the Shadows destroyed the Narn battle fleet from several
thousand kilometers away by firing their space mines at them, and
collapsing their jump points as the Narn warships tried to retreat into
hyperspace.

You guys ought to play the B5 fan shareware program called "I've found
her"

You can switch between inertial and normal mode and scoot by vessels
firing sideways as exactly as described above. Damned fun ;-)

Link below for download - warning big program:-
http://ifh.firstones.com/
 
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