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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:57 pm |
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Quote: In article <3c65f87.0312011913.5c58f0aa@posting.google.com>,
jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:
If Gauss were alive today, would he cheer me?
Gauss's motto was "Few, but ripe." He would probably call your
contributions, "Many, and rotten."
I disagree that a great man and mind like Gauss would do that. The
insults to open minded creative people (whether they are right or
wrong) are rather an attribute of closed minded envious persons.
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| Mu-Pi |
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:02 pm |
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"Carlos L" <carlosla@lix.intercom.es> wrote in message
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Quote: fishfry <BLOCKSPAMfishfry@your-mailbox.com> wrote in message
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In article <3c65f87.0312011913.5c58f0aa@posting.google.com>,
jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:
If Gauss were alive today, would he cheer me?
Gauss's motto was "Few, but ripe." He would probably call your
contributions, "Many, and rotten."
I disagree that a great man and mind like Gauss would do that. The
insults to open minded creative people (whether they are right or
wrong) are rather an attribute of closed minded envious persons.
James's mind is so open his brain fell out and was carried off by an ant.
James is creative all right, he creates garbage. |
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| Christian Bau |
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:44 pm |
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In article <ac68ac75.0312031057.1e8f6715@posting.google.com>,
carlosla@lix.intercom.es (Carlos L) wrote:
Quote: fishfry <BLOCKSPAMfishfry@your-mailbox.com> wrote in message
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In article <3c65f87.0312011913.5c58f0aa@posting.google.com>,
jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:
If Gauss were alive today, would he cheer me?
Gauss's motto was "Few, but ripe." He would probably call your
contributions, "Many, and rotten."
I disagree that a great man and mind like Gauss would do that. The
insults to open minded creative people (whether they are right or
wrong) are rather an attribute of closed minded envious persons.
James Harris is not creative, and definitely not open minded. |
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| Francis Harrington |
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:03 pm |
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"James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I should be a rather happy guy. After all, over 18 months ago I found
this partial difference equation I call dS(x,y), and the sum of dS
from dS(x,2) to dS(x,sqrt(x)) is the count of primes up to and
including x.
Hey James. You know what? I actually have faith in you. I'm pretty
sure that if you got some professional help, took your medicine, and then
signed up for some math courses, you could actually do some
interesting math. I think you're smart enough. |
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| Pat |
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:27 pm |
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"Francis Harrington" <f.harrington@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c65f87.0312011913.5c58f0aa@posting.google.com...
I should be a rather happy guy. After all, over 18 months ago I found
this partial difference equation I call dS(x,y), and the sum of dS
from dS(x,2) to dS(x,sqrt(x)) is the count of primes up to and
including x.
Hey James. You know what? I actually have faith in you. I'm pretty
sure that if you got some professional help, took your medicine, and then
signed up for some math courses, you could actually do some
interesting math. I think you're smart enough.
Well, I'm diagnosed with 'mental illness' and I've been reading a book by,
psychologists Chadwick et al, about 'Cognitive Therapy For Delusions, Voices
and Paranoia'. They propose that the psychiatric concept concerning
delusions is flawed and propose a psychological model for understanding and
modifying 'delusions.'
The psychiatric concept is roughly ( check the DSM and ICD manuals) that
delusions are convictions held by the person that are seen as irrational by
other people in the same culture and that are not open to modification or
reaccessment, despite overwhelming evidence to the contray that the
conviction is false.
They are regarded by most psychiatrists as not being beliefs and in a
separate category to beliefs and are classed as one symptom in some forms of
mental illness. However, to be diagnosed, you generally have to have a
cluster of symptoms, of degree to a greater or lesser extent, that
correspond to a particular syndrome such as schizophrenia, etc. Generally,
psychiatrists( especially biological psychiatrists-biological psychiatry is
the dominant paradigm in psychiatry at the moment) regard these syndromes as
discrete illnesses each indicating a brain pathology with an underlying
physical cause/s, which are not amenable to psychotherapies.
Chadwick et al have empirical evidence that 'delusions' can be weakened or
modified. They conceptualise 'delusions' as being at the extreme end of a
continuum with normal beliefs held by so called normal people in the
population, and thus can be understood within the discourse of psychology.
They say there is evidence that 'delusions' relate to the persons underlying
psychological vulnerabilities that relate to their view of themselves and
their world.
Their technique, to briefly describe it, I hope not simplistically, is
called collaborative empiricism. They create a non threatening relationship
with the person and with the person develop empirical tests to test the
evidence for the 'delusion.'
But, firstly they proceed through stages to gain the confidence of the
person in a non threatening manner. One technique mentioned is called
'Reaction to Hypothetical Contradiction.' This is where they agree with the
person a hypothetical test which would contradict the 'delusion' to see how
they react to contradiction, rather than confronting them directly which
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| Pat |
Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:48 pm |
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"Pat" <mrpat@blue.DUMP.SPAM.CRAPEIE.yonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Francis Harrington" <f.harrington@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
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I should be a rather happy guy. After all, over 18 months ago I found
this partial difference equation I call dS(x,y), and the sum of dS
from dS(x,2) to dS(x,sqrt(x)) is the count of primes up to and
including x.
Hey James. You know what? I actually have faith in you. I'm pretty
sure that if you got some professional help, took your medicine, and
then
signed up for some math courses, you could actually do some
interesting math. I think you're smart enough.
Well, I'm diagnosed with 'mental illness' and I've been reading a book by,
psychologists Chadwick et al, about 'Cognitive Therapy For Delusions,
Voices
and Paranoia'. They propose that the psychiatric concept concerning
delusions is flawed and propose a psychological model for understanding
and
modifying 'delusions.'
The psychiatric concept is roughly ( check the DSM and ICD manuals) that
delusions are convictions held by the person that are seen as irrational
by
other people in the same culture and that are not open to modification or
reaccessment, despite overwhelming evidence to the contray that the
conviction is false.
They are regarded by most psychiatrists as not being beliefs and in a
separate category to beliefs and are classed as one symptom in some forms
of
mental illness. However, to be diagnosed, you generally have to have a
cluster of symptoms, of degree to a greater or lesser extent, that
correspond to a particular syndrome such as schizophrenia, etc. Generally,
psychiatrists( especially biological psychiatrists-biological psychiatry
is
the dominant paradigm in psychiatry at the moment) regard these syndromes
as
discrete illnesses each indicating a brain pathology with an underlying
physical cause/s, which are not amenable to psychotherapies.
Quote: Chadwick et al have empirical evidence that 'delusions' can be weakened or
modified. They conceptualise 'delusions' as being at the extreme end of a
continuum with normal beliefs held by so called normal people in the
population, and thus can be understood within the discourse of psychology.
They say there is evidence that 'delusions' relate to the persons
underlying
psychological vulnerabilities that relate to their view of themselves and
their world.
Their technique, to briefly describe it, I hope not simplistically, is
called collaborative empiricism. They create a non threatening
relationship
with the person and with the person develop empirical tests to test the
evidence for the 'delusion.'
edit: * not would *could*
But, firstly they proceed through stages to gain the confidence of the
person in a non threatening manner. One technique mentioned is called
'Reaction to Hypothetical Contradiction.' This is where they agree with
the
person a hypothetical test which *could* contradict the 'delusion' to see
how
they react to contradiction, rather than confronting them directly which
could be counter productive.
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| Justin Eidelburger |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:03 am |
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Pat wrote:
<snipped psycho-pathological analysis of the Harris oeuvre>
Hey, Harris...
I am not a mathematician either, but I am one up on you!
You may have proved FLT and discovered a new prime number theorem but
_I_ have disproved the Continuum Hypothesis!
Now, you may well say that Godel and Cohen proved that this was
impossible, but, hey, they were only mathematicians so what do they
know?
So, what is this number that I have discovered, which is itself
transfinite and lies between aleph-null and aleph-one?
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It is Harris's Erdos number!
Seriously, Harris, you are a disgrace to physicists everywhere. When I
was at uni I roomed with physics undergrads, and I watched them, every
night, working their b*lls off doing the _real_ maths which they would
need when they were doing QM, Maxwell's equations, Dirac's equation etc.
Ever since then I have held physics graduates in an almost religious
reverence. In the course of my long professional career I have worked
with many of them, both as colleagues and managers, and I don't think
any of them ever let me down. So you can imagine how I feel when I read
your posturing.
I could, of course, consider the possibility that you are just
attempting to step into the shoes of the late Earl Gordon Curley....
If not, here is some succinct advice: get a grip, get a life, get a job.
And, since you raised the topic (in another thread), why don't you tell
us just how you came to lose your last job?
And don't you think that the title of this thread sounds a bit like a
Monty Python sketch?
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Your friend - Justin.
Please e-mail me at justin dot eidelburger at enn tee ell world dot com |
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| James Harris |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:42 am |
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Quote: On 3 Dec 2003 06:03:06 -0800, jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:
David C. Ullrich <ullrich@math.okstate.edu> wrote in message news:<9ntosv48ap7jpvs0l1kjgn469r4hhdebqs@4ax.com>...
On 1 Dec 2003 19:13:39 -0800, jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote:
I should be a rather happy guy. After all, over 18 months ago I found
this partial difference equation I call dS(x,y), and the sum of dS
from dS(x,2) to dS(x,sqrt(x)) is the count of primes up to and
including x.
Afer talking with mathematicians all over the world by email and
Usenet, and searching math references, both bought and on the
Internet, I know that I have a first-find.
Somehow, I am the first human being in recorded human history to find
a partial difference equation that sums to give the count of prime
numbers.
Not true. Won't become true through repetition. See
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LegendresFormula.html
Are you saying David Ullrich that what's shown at the link you provide
is a partial difference equation that sums to give the count of prime
numbers?
Uh, yes.
No it doesn't. You're lying David Ullrich.
James Harris
"My math discoveries, found for profit"
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| James Harris |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:44 am |
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"C. Bond" <cbond@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<3FCCA6C6.D02DC8B7@ix.netcom.com>...
Quote: James Harris wrote:
Gauss wondered what the discrete count of prime numbers could have to
do with continuous functions like x/ln x, and while mathematicians
made progress in finding relations that gave limits, like Chebyshev's
use of the zeta function discovered by Euler, they never found a
reason why.
I may have found that reason.
What is it? You keep talking as if you are about to present it, but never
do.
As I've found a partial difference equation, it leads to a partial
differential equation. That partial differential equation may answer
many questions.
What "partial differential equation"? You have never posted it. You claim
it may provide answers to many questions, but neither post it nor the
answers. It's one thing to claim magnificent properties for a specific
result, but how can you claim them for an undetermined result?
I *have* posted it before, so you're lazy as well as wrong, as if
you'd checked the archives, you'd have seen it.
James Harris
"My math discoveries, found for profit"
http://mathforprofit.blogspot.com/ |
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| James Harris |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:52 am |
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"Pat" <mrpat@blue.DUMP.SPAM.CRAPEIE.yonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<iYwzb.19070$N_1.185065659@news-text.cableinet.net>...
Quote: "Francis Harrington" <f.harrington@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"James Harris" <jstevh@msn.com> wrote in message
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I should be a rather happy guy. After all, over 18 months ago I found
this partial difference equation I call dS(x,y), and the sum of dS
from dS(x,2) to dS(x,sqrt(x)) is the count of primes up to and
including x.
Hey James. You know what? I actually have faith in you. I'm pretty
sure that if you got some professional help, took your medicine, and then
signed up for some math courses, you could actually do some
interesting math. I think you're smart enough.
Well, I'm diagnosed with 'mental illness' and I've been reading a book by,
psychologists Chadwick et al, about 'Cognitive Therapy For Delusions, Voices
and Paranoia'. They propose that the psychiatric concept concerning
delusions is flawed and propose a psychological model for understanding and
modifying 'delusions.'
Hi Pat, and I'd like to apologize for the poster trying to use
accusations of mental illness as an attack. Unfortunately there are
people who think of mental illness as just some joke, who think it's
socially acceptable to level accusations of mental illness in
insulting exchanges to make points.
However, for those actually mentally ill, just like those with cancer,
or those with diabetes, or any other disease, it's not a joke, or just
some tool to try and score argument points or hurt someone else's
feelings.
Those of you like Francis Harrington who callously toss out posts
meant to try and hurt one person without concern for those
others--mostly silent--who actually take the hit, are rather sick
yourselves, and in reality, are sociopathic.
It takes a certain kind of person to have such contempt for the
feelings of others that they don't even consider them, and for them,
hurting others on a wide scale is no more a concern than accidentally
stepping on ants.
That's the kind of person Francis Harrington clearly is, and I
apologize to you Pat for that poster's hurtful comments.
James Harris |
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| C. Bond |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:35 pm |
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James Harris wrote:
Quote: "C. Bond" <cbond@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<3FCCA6C6.D02DC8B7@ix.netcom.com>...
James Harris wrote:
Gauss wondered what the discrete count of prime numbers could have to
do with continuous functions like x/ln x, and while mathematicians
made progress in finding relations that gave limits, like Chebyshev's
use of the zeta function discovered by Euler, they never found a
reason why.
I may have found that reason.
What is it? You keep talking as if you are about to present it, but never
do.
As I've found a partial difference equation, it leads to a partial
differential equation. That partial differential equation may answer
many questions.
What "partial differential equation"? You have never posted it. You claim
it may provide answers to many questions, but neither post it nor the
answers. It's one thing to claim magnificent properties for a specific
result, but how can you claim them for an undetermined result?
I *have* posted it before, so you're lazy as well as wrong, as if
you'd checked the archives, you'd have seen it.
No you haven't! What you posted before was *not* a partial differential equation. You've
changed the formulation since those previous posts, without comment, so if it wasn't for the
fact the the new formulation is still wrong I'd call your strategy underhanded and deceptive.
Besides, if you've completed the derivation and posted the solution before, then you should be
able to post the results you obtain from applying it. Go ahead and post those results. I dare
you! Show us that your 'partial differential equation' solves the prime counting function.
If you do not post your evidence, it will be taken as conclusive proof that you *cannot* do
so.
Hahahahah.....
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| David Harden |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:03 pm |
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Quote: Gauss wondered what the discrete count of prime numbers could have to
do with continuous functions like x/ln x, and while mathematicians
made progress in finding relations that gave limits, like Chebyshev's
use of the zeta function discovered by Euler, they never found a
reason why.
I don't bel;ieve Chebyshev used the zeta function to estimate the
distribution of primes. Riemann derived his analytic formula that
expresses pi(x) in terms of the nonreal zeros of the zeta function.
In 1896 it was proven that none of these zeros has real part 1, which
had already been shown to be equivalent to the prime number theorem by
the use of Riemann's analytic formula. The names attached to this
result are Hadamard and de la Vallee Poussin. It helps to read
history, James. As a good book to introduce you to the world of real
number theory (and not just your own rants), I recommend Paulo
Ribenboim's "The Little Book of Big Primes". You are somewhat smart
mathematically, but plenty of people who lived before you were too.
Stop wasting your time by turning your face from history and start to
learn some math.
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Not true. A reason why (that is, a proof of the Prime Number Theorem)
was found long ago, I think in the 1890's. More or less simultaneously
by two people, who I think are the people whose names I think are
spelled something like Hadamard and de-Vallee Poisson.
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| James Harris |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:12 pm |
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jstevh@msn.com (James Harris) wrote in message news:<3c65f87.0312011913.5c58f0aa@posting.google.com>...
Quote: I should be a rather happy guy. After all, over 18 months ago I found
this partial difference equation I call dS(x,y), and the sum of dS
from dS(x,2) to dS(x,sqrt(x)) is the count of primes up to and
including x.
OOPS! That is incorrect, as actually the sum is a count of
*composites* which you can subtract to give the count of primes.
Readers should check to see if any posters caught me on that error in
this thread or others.
Now you should also look at David Ullrich's posts in a different
light.
He claimed to have a difference equation that worked like mine, only
problem is that the description of how mine worked was wrong.
Silly mathematician that David Ullrich. What I find odd about
mathematicians is how dense they are. Why didn't *any* of these
posters point out the error?
Ultimately, I think they're just disagreeing with anything that they
think would help me. They're kind of like obnoxious children in that
way.
James Harris
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| C. Bond |
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:58 pm |
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James Harris wrote:
Quote: OOPS! That is incorrect, as actually the sum is a count of
*composites* which you can subtract to give the count of primes.
A Google search on "James Harris" and "OOPS!" reports 89 hits.
Quote: Readers should check to see if any posters caught me on that error in
this thread or others.
Why? Tracking your major errors is a full time job already. Minor slips don't deserve special comment.
Quote: Now you should also look at David Ullrich's posts in a different
light.
He claimed to have a difference equation that worked like mine, only
problem is that the description of how mine worked was wrong.
No he didn't. He said that the process you used to transform a difference equation into a differential
equation was flawed and did not produce the results you claimed. He produced a simple example to
demonstrate the mistake you made. He was right. Moreover, it is immaterial what your difference equation
does or does not do -- the differential version does something else altogether and has no relevance to
counting primes.
Quote: Silly mathematician that David Ullrich. What I find odd about
mathematicians is how dense they are. Why didn't *any* of these
posters point out the error?
What you have written above does not support that claim that Ullrich is 'silly' or 'dense'. You have
completely misrepresented the content of his post. Note that you neither commented on nor learned from the
example he gave.Furthermore, I doubt if you really object to anyone overlooking minor errors. You rarely
even respond to those who point out fatal flaws.
Quote: Ultimately, I think they're just disagreeing with anything that they
think would help me. They're kind of like obnoxious children in that
way.
That doesn't follow. In fact, it doesn't even parse.
But here's a thought. Instead of ranting about the errors which have not been pointed out, why not address
the errors that *have* been pointed out. Why not post results from the application of your 'partial
differential equation' to the prime counting problem? In all fairness, you ought to feel compelled to back
up your claim that this equation is important by demonstrating its value.
Isn't that just common sense? Do you have any common sense?
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| Uncle Al |
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