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| calderhome@yahoo.com |
 Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:11 pm |
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"Food supply security" is the hot topic in Europe, where rebellion
against the biofuel bandwagon has been accelerating as fast as food
prices have risen. If you want to join a club, a cult, and hop on a
bandwagon, then FOOD SECURITY is the winning ticket. People will
always need to eat, want to eat, and like paying reasonable prices for
their viddles. The biofuel rats have been eating our grain for over a
decade, with world food shortages the result. Ethanol production took
only 7% of American corn in 1998, but has grown as a cancer on our
food supply, taking 37 to 38% by 2007. If you want to see the results
of this ever increasing gnawing away at our food supply, then spend an
hour reading the news stories posted here - http://home.att.net/~meditation/biofuel-news.html
The biofuel rats must be gotten rid of; the con men selling the idea
that we should sacrifice our family's food supply in order to make a
paltry amount of fuel. Even if the USA dedicated 100% of our corn and
soybean production to biofuels, we would only satisfy 12% of gasoline
demand and 6% of diesel demand. "The biofuel potential of the entire
human food supply is quite a small amount of energy compared to the
global oil supply - somewhere between 15 to 20% on a volumetric basis,
so 10 to 15% on an energy basis." - Quote from Stuart Staniford in
Fermenting the Food Supply [ http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2431]
If we want to get serious about energy, that means we need a real
energy source like American shale, which could end 100% of US oil
imports and make the US an oil exporter for a hundred years. If you
believe in global warming, as I do, then we have to go nuclear; use
the inorganic energy source that can provide synthetic gas and jet
fuel made from carbon dioxide sucked out of the atmosphere, or make
hydrogen gas if we want to invest in the needed infrastructure.
Nuclear is the only way to stop global warming other than kill off 90%
of the human population, which nature will do in relatively short
order if we continue making topsoil eroding, water polluting, desert
creating, world starving biofuels.
http://home.att.net/~meditation/bio-fuel-hoax.html - see all the facts
on the big biofuel con-game
Christopher Calder |
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| frank87 |
| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:48 pm |
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On 2008-03-12, calderhome@yahoo.com <calderhome@yahoo.com> expressed:
Quote: "Food supply security" is the hot topic in Europe, where rebellion
against the biofuel bandwagon has been accelerating as fast as food
prices have risen. If you want to join a club, a cult, and hop on a
bandwagon, then FOOD SECURITY is the winning ticket. People will
always need to eat, want to eat, and like paying reasonable prices for
their viddles. The biofuel rats have been eating our grain for over a
decade, with world food shortages the result.
That's because people DON'T pay reasonable prices for their food.
Bio-fuels are food security. It raises the price of food to reasonable
levels, so farmers can produce it.
Diesel oil costs 1EUR30 (because of taxes), soya-oil 60ct. This tells
us, people prefer driving over eating.
(1liter diesel is burned in 10minutes, the liter of soya oil lasts
weeks)
Greetings,
Frank |
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| Larry Caldwell |
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:53 pm |
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In article <1b056e23-af54-4d01-b259-
9176b44eff9e@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, calderhome@yahoo.com
(calderhome@yahoo.com) says...
Quote: The biofuel rats must be gotten rid of; the con men selling the idea
that we should sacrifice our family's food supply in order to make a
paltry amount of fuel. Even if the USA dedicated 100% of our corn and
soybean production to biofuels, we would only satisfy 12% of gasoline
demand and 6% of diesel demand. "The biofuel potential of the entire
human food supply is quite a small amount of energy compared to the
global oil supply - somewhere between 15 to 20% on a volumetric basis,
so 10 to 15% on an energy basis." - Quote from Stuart Staniford in
Fermenting the Food Supply [ http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2431]
Get used to paying more for food. The human race is simply running out
of food. The population is increasing, while arable land is vanishing.
We are already far past the long term carrying capacity of the planet.
Food and fuel are just two of the resources that will become steadily
more expensive and hard to obtain.
Work continues on bioengineering yeasts that will produce ethanol from
cellulose. Concurrently, work is under way engineering trees that
produce more cellulose and less lignin. When cellulosic ethanol becomes
practical, the feed stock for ethanol production will expand by an order
of magnitude.
Meanwhile, your figures for corn demand are way out of whack. At
current growth rates, ethanol production is projected to consume 31% of
US production in 2014-2016. Ethanol production used 14% of US corn in
2005-2006. This is from USDA figures at
Quote: http://www.ers.usda.gov/AmberWaves/May07SpecialIssue/Features/Ethanol.htm
Rising domestic prices for food in the USA have been largely offset by
the dropping dollar, so only US consumers have been hit with food
inflation. A few countries, like Mexico, have pegged their currency to
the dollar at a fixed exchange rate, so they are feeling the pain.
Meanwhile, the US government has balanced inflation on the backs of
farmers for 30 years. Food production grew so unprofitable that farmers
searched for, and found, alternative markets for their produce as
industrial feed stock. The general public now finds itself faced with
paying for corn at both the gas pump and the supermarket. Food prices
in the US can be expected to double or triple in the next few years.
The effect will be primarily domestic, as the continued slide in the
value of the dollar will discount food exports to the rest of the world.
On the down side, sooner or later the drought in Australia will break.
Australian production has been off the market for two years now, which
has created major dislocations in the world food market.
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| frank87 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:03 pm |
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["Followup-To(Opvolgend bericht naar):" header ingesteld op sci.agriculture.]
On 2008-03-16, Larry Caldwell <firstnamelastinitial@peaksky.com> expressed:
Quote: Rising domestic prices for food in the USA have been largely offset by
the dropping dollar, so only US consumers have been hit with food
inflation. A few countries, like Mexico, have pegged their currency to
the dollar at a fixed exchange rate, so they are feeling the pain.
Food prices are rising in euros too.
Quote: Meanwhile, the US government has balanced inflation on the backs of
farmers for 30 years. Food production grew so unprofitable that farmers
searched for, and found, alternative markets for their produce as
industrial feed stock.
The same goes in Europe. The EU-milk reserve has disappeared, and
milk-prices doubled.
Greetings,
Frank |
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