"Erny" <erny@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1205266423_171@vo.lu...

"naive user" <gvellenzer@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, "Kevin O'Donnell" <k_odonne...@comcast.net
wrote:


You know that poppies> son alti, alti, alti

Are high,, high, high> e tu sei piccolina

Sorry, I can't help myself:

poppies are high= poppies have taken drugs.

you mean "poppies are tall, tall, tall"

I'm confused. Does it not mean "poppies are high hanging fruit" (not
literally of course, but by its meaning) rather than "poppies are tall"?

I thought that the aim of the story was to tell someone that some things
on earth are not meant for all of us, as not all of us were able to reach
them.

But maybe some poppies are "low" after all... (or "small"?).

Erny

You know that poppies> son alti, alti, alti

Are high,, high, high> e tu sei piccolina

"naive user" <gvellen...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, "Kevin  O'Donnell" <k_odonne...@comcast.net
wrote:



You know that poppies> son alti, alti, alti

Are high,, high, high> e tu sei piccolina

Sorry, I can't help myself:

poppies are high= poppies have taken drugs.

you mean "poppies are tall, tall, tall"

GV:

"Naive User" is a misnomer if there ever was one. We could go with the
translation
of the ancestral root of your name (OE Garwig), "spear of battle" , though
that might
be just a tad bellicose. Since my quick stab at your surname in hopes of
making
a full concoction failed, you'll have to resolve that in hopes of a possibly
witty
concoction. "Villen" might be a root, with "might" as the key word. But I
did find this which may prove of some entertainment:http://www.verwandt.de/karten/absolut/vellenzer.html

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"This new legislation restricting laudanum because of danger is ridiculous..
I have been
using it daily for 40 years and I am not an addict."
...

I had the flu some weeks ago, and this song kept turning up, as songs
sometimes do, again and again and again. Can anyone tell me what it
means? I tried Google's computer translation, but it does not make
sense. Maybe if I knew who or what the "papaveri" are, I could guess
the rest.

"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

Your mention of the poppy perhaps allows introduction of some
remarks spun out of its experience and colorful history.

Thomas De Quincey's famous "Confessions of an English Opium Eater" is oft
times

distinguished as the first autobiography in English literature. The
luminous
passage below the URL of the e-book version is deemed one of its stellar
lights. See:http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/q/quincey/thomas/opium/complete.html

"All this, and much more than I can say or have time to say, the reader must
enter into before he can comprehend the unimaginable horror which these
dreams of Oriental imagery and mythological tortures impressed upon me.
Under the connecting feeling of tropical heat and vertical sunlights I
brought together all creatures, birds, beasts, reptiles, all trees and
plants, usages and appearances, that are found in all tropical regions, and
assembled them together in China or Indostan. From kindred feelings, I soon
brought Egypt and all her gods under the same law. I was stared at, hooted
at, grinned at, chattered at, by monkeys, by parroquets, by cockatoos. I ran
into pagodas, and was fixed for centuries at the summit or in secret rooms:
I was the idol; I was the priest; I was worshipped; I was sacrificed. I fled
from the wrath of Brama through all the forests of Asia: Vishnu hated me:
Seeva laid wait for me. I came suddenly upon Isis and Osiris: I had done a
deed, they said, which the ibis and the crocodile trembled at. I was buried
for a thousand years in stone coffins, with mummies and sphynxes, in narrow
chambers at the heart of eternal pyramids. I was kissed, with cancerous
kisses, by crocodiles; and laid, confounded with all unutterable slimy
things, amongst reeds and Nilotic mud."

Among other artistic works associated with opium are Berlioz' "Symphonie
Fantastique",
Coleridge's "Kubla Khan" and Tennyson's "The Lotos-Eaters".
I do not know these authors. I think in German there are Rilke and

Codeine and morphine are natural derivatives of opium. Heroin, which trade
name apparently derived from the German "heroisch" for heroic

compound itself came from the acetylization of morphine, had its first wide
introduction to world after
commercial synthesis by Hoffman for the Bayer company in 1897. Subsequently
and until about 1910, the drug was promoted both as a non-addictive
treatment for morphine addiction and as a juvenile cough remedy. When
reality showed heroin was anything but a panacea for those
purposes--especially when injected--Bayer had managed a blunder of
historical proportions.

The British Opium Wars in China are a fascinating footnote to the dark side
of commercial
empire, the purpose of which was to profitably enthrall the Chinese in
bondage to the
drug. Fairbanks, IIRC, opined that the opium trade was "The most
long-continued and systematic international crime of modern times". The
historical finding that at one point approximately 25% of the Chinese male
population were thought eligible for the tortures of opium withdrawal, might
add point to that comment.

When US drug reform in the 1920s removed the tincture of opium (1 mg per ml)
called laudanum from open retail purchase and placed it under prescription
control, an aged lady wrote a famous letter to the editor of her local paper
roughly along this line:
"This new legislation restricting laudanum because of danger is ridiculous.
I have been
using it daily for 40 years and I am not an addict."

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On Mar 14, 3:38 am, "Edward Hennessey"

that coffee causes this limited addiction, which does not ....
(looking for a Shakespeare quote)

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On Mar 16, 8:40 pm, cantueso <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:38 am, "Edward Hennessey"

that coffee causes this limited addiction, which does not ....
(looking for a Shakespeare quote)

It does not break down "the pales and forts of reason".

That was not worth looking for. I thought it was longer. It is anyway
the prettiest sentence in the English language, an incredibly
beautiful thing "that blows your socks off", aka WOW.
C:

It starts
"So oft it chances.."
and is from Hamlet Act I
http://tinyurl.com/ypbj2l

On Mar 14, 3:38 am, "Edward Hennessey"
halozzyzxhaloMINUS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

Your mention of the poppy perhaps allows introduction of some
remarks spun out of its experience and colorful history.

Thomas De Quincey's famous "Confessions of an English Opium Eater" is oft
times

"oft times":

authors are.

Among other artistic works associated with opium are Berlioz' "Symphonie
Fantastique",
Coleridge's "Kubla Khan" and Tennyson's "The Lotos-Eaters".
I do not know these authors. I think in German there are Rilke and
Hofmannsthal who wrote under the influence of one of these plants. In
Hofmannsthal it is also a theme.

I speak German, yet I would never have seen that. It is just too
obvious and yet incredible. It was also only yesterday that it
occurred to me that "Electra" (a Sophocles play) and "electricity"
would be of one root.

The British Opium Wars in China are a fascinating footnote to the dark
side
of commercial
empire, the purpose of which was to profitably enthrall the Chinese in
bondage to the
drug. Fairbanks, IIRC, opined that the opium trade was "The most
long-continued and systematic international crime of modern times". The
historical finding that at one point approximately 25% of the Chinese
male
population were thought eligible for the tortures of opium withdrawal,
might
add point to that comment.

Maybe at the time, subjectively, ( from the point of view of the
author or inventor of that business) it would not have been worse than
marketing tobacco.

When US drug reform in the 1920s removed the tincture of opium (1 mg per
ml)
called laudanum from open retail purchase and placed it under
prescription
control, an aged lady wrote a famous letter to the editor of her local
paper
roughly along this line:
"This new legislation restricting laudanum because of danger is
ridiculous.
I have been
using it daily for 40 years and I am not an addict."

And maybe she was not! If she did not need more and more of that
substance to feel happy or healthy, it was not dangerous. They said
that coffee causes this limited addiction, which does not ....

"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

That was not worth looking for. I thought it was longer. It is anyway
the prettiest sentence in the English language, an incredibly
beautiful thing "that blows your socks off", aka WOW.

C:

If you can believe you can single out a sentence with strong acclaim as the
most elegant in English, it would be worthwhile to have a list of the other
contenders. Winnowing an embarrassment of riches to one would predictably
seem

a thankless task...unless criticism is the measure of reward.

I'm a tad puzzled, which is my normal waking state. You were looking for
what you made reference below or is that close to it but not it? If the
latter--and you can forward particulars to allow a better guess at this
triumphal passage--do that and I'll
see if percolating them will produce the quarry sought.

It starts
"So oft it chances.."
and is from Hamlet Act I
http://tinyurl.com/ypbj2l

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

news:304363ab-e6ec-438a-ba1b-a6c72b6c39c4@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> On Mar 16, 8:40 pm, cantueso <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote:
On Mar 14, 3:38 am, "Edward Hennessey"

that coffee causes this limited addiction, which does not ....
(looking for a Shakespeare quote)

It does not break down "the pales and forts of reason".

That was not worth looking for. I thought it was longer. It is anyway
the prettiest sentence in the English language, an incredibly
beautiful thing "that blows your socks off", aka WOW.

C:

If you can believe you can single out a sentence with strong acclaim as the
most elegant in English, it would be worthwhile to have a list of the other
contenders. Winnowing an embarrassment of riches to one would predictably
seem
a thankless task...unless criticism is the measure of reward.

I'm a tad puzzled, which is my normal waking state. You were looking for
what you made reference below or is that close to it but not it? If the
latter--and you can forward particulars to allow a better guess at this
triumphal passage--do that and I'll
see if percolating them will produce the quarry sought.



It starts
"So oft it chances.."
and is from Hamlet Act I
http://tinyurl.com/ypbj2l

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

Coleridge's dream poem is short enough to excuse quotation.

KUBLA KHAN
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree :
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man

Edward Hennessey

On Mar 17, 3:05 am, "Edward Hennessey"
halozzyzxhaloMINUS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

That was not worth looking for. I thought it was longer. It is anyway
the prettiest sentence in the English language, an incredibly
beautiful thing "that blows your socks off", aka WOW.

C:

If you can believe you can single out a sentence with strong acclaim as
the
most elegant in English, it would be worthwhile to have a list of the
other
contenders. Winnowing an embarrassment of riches to one would predictably
seem

What could "winnowing an embarrassment of riches to one" possibly
mean?

On Mar 17, 3:29 am, "Edward Hennessey"
halozzyzxhaloMINUS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

Coleridge's dream poem is short enough to excuse quotation.

KUBLA KHAN
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree :
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man

Edward Hennessey

I am going to read the poem later. I am in a hurry because I have to
see how the US economy is coming. I have always had an obsession with
the way the dollar was being handled and "now the chickens are coming
home to roost". I keep seeing this expression now. Understood
literally, it ought to have a positive meaning, but apparently it does
not.

On Mar 17, 3:05 am, "Edward Hennessey"
halozzyzxhaloMINUS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"cantueso" <cantu...@lycos.com> wrote in message

Edward Hennessey

I put "So oft it chances" in the Google search and immediately got
references and a quote:

"So oft it chances in particular men
That, for some vicious mole of nature in them,
As in their birth, wherein they are not guilty,
Since nature cannot choose his origin,
By the o'ergrowth of some complexion, (35)
Oft breaking down the pales and forts of reason;
Or by some habit, that too much o'er-leavens
The form of plausive manners; that these men,
Carrying, I say, the stamp of one defect,
Being nature's livery, or fortune's star, (40)
Their virtues else, be they as pure as grace,
As infinite as man may undergo,
Shall in the general censure take corruption
From that particular fault: the dram of eale
Doth all the noble substance often doubt (45)
To his own scandal.