For all his foul mouthing of Australia , his horrible anti-Christian
sentiments and others things,Turcaud has that little bit of class is
asking particular questions which you could'nt even understand.I have
no interest seeing the return of a cornered rat so go back and enjoy
your geostationary convection cells and you variable tilting Earth
among those who know no better or are inclined to those notions.

If you want an insult,let me see if I have one for you,oh here is one
- 'you should be hung upside down by the balls and set on fire'.Are
you happy or is that too much ?

On Mar 8, 11:46 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
727236eb-645c-4020-a28b-f37c88176...@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all his foul mouthing of Australia , his horrible anti-Christian
sentiments and others things,Turcaud has that little bit of class is
asking  particular questions which you could'nt even understand.I have
no interest seeing the return of a cornered rat so go back and enjoy
your geostationary convection cells and you variable tilting Earth
among those who know no better or are inclined to those notions.

If you want an insult,let me see if I have one for you,oh here is one
- 'you should be hung upside down by the balls and set on fire'.Are
you happy or is that too much ?

Sounds pretty kinky, but fireplay is beyond my limits.

Why don't you just explain what's wrong with Newtonian astronomy and
tell us why NASA, using those ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into
orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ÐChris L.

I can let you live with that illness where people positively refuse to
believe Newton got is so badly wrong that there is nothing left of his
ballistic agenda applied to planetary motion and all the exotic
outriggers that sprouted from it like warped space,multiple
universes,dark this and dark that ect.As far as I am concerned it is a
full blown illlness now but it belongs to you and not to the rest of
humanity who are unfamilia with the material.

No doubt you can continue on believing that there are a number of ways
to approach the observed behavior of the other planets and especially
retrogrades but thereis only one way to resolve those apparent
motions.Try Galileo using actual footage of the Earth overtaking
Jupiter and Saturn -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

"Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and
Mars also. In Saturn these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent
than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so that
the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars they are rarer, its
motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends
more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury, whose
circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and
retrograde motions appear in them also, due not to any motion that
really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is
acutely demonstrated by Copernicus . . .

You see, gentlemen, with what ease and simplicity the annual motion
-- if made by the Earth -- lends itself to supplying reasons for the
apparent anomalies which are observed in the movements of the five
planets. . . . It removes them all and reduces these movements to
equable and regular motions; and it was Nicholas Copernicus who first
clarified for us the reasons for this marvelous effect." 1632,
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

All the same magnificent understanding using the observed motion of
the Earth whether it is Kepler ,Galileo or many others,no hypothetical
observer on the Sun to account for retrogrades (Newton) but just a
lovely and neat fitting argument which allows axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle as seen from a rotating Earth.

If humanity loses its balance at the greatest known Western
astronomical achievement and decides that it can choose an alternative
means to explain observed motions then it is not only wrong,it becomes
dangerous.I am not attacking Newton,I am promoting the astronomy of
Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo in an era which will have none of it and
I can testify that in the years I have shown both the correct and
incorrect view side by side,I have yet to receive a single affirmation
that a bad mutation to the great Western achievement occured through
Newton.

None of you belong in science if this stands -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

In article
0104397d-c55f-4284-a924-4b889c5b4...@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,





 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:46 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
727236eb-645c-4020-a28b-f37c88176...@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all his foul mouthing of Australia , his horrible anti-Christian
sentiments and others things,Turcaud has that little bit of class is
asking  particular questions which you could'nt even understand.I have
no interest seeing the return of a cornered rat so go back and enjoy
your geostationary convection cells and you variable tilting Earth
among those who know no better or are inclined to those notions.

If you want an insult,let me see if I have one for you,oh here is one
- 'you should be hung upside down by the balls and set on fire'.Are
you happy or is that too much ?

Sounds pretty kinky, but fireplay is beyond my limits.

Why don't you just explain what's wrong with Newtonian astronomy and
tell us why NASA, using those ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into
orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ÐChris L.

I can let you live with that illness where people positively refuse to
believe Newton got is so badly wrong that there is nothing left of his
ballistic agenda applied to planetary motion and all the exotic
outriggers that sprouted from it like warped space,multiple
universes,dark this and dark that ect.As far as I am concerned it is a
full blown illlness now but it belongs to you and not to the rest of
humanity who are unfamilia with the material.

No doubt you can continue on believing that there are a number of ways
to approach the observed behavior of the other planets and especially
retrogrades but thereis only one way to resolve those apparent
motions.Try Galileo using actual footage of the Earth overtaking
Jupiter and Saturn -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

"Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and
Mars also. In Saturn these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent
than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so that
the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars they are rarer, its
motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends
more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury, whose
circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and
retrograde motions appear in them also, due not to any motion that
really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is
acutely demonstrated by Copernicus . . .

 You see, gentlemen, with what ease and simplicity the annual motion
-- if made by the Earth -- lends itself to supplying reasons for the
apparent anomalies which are observed in the movements of the five
planets. . . . It removes them all and reduces these movements to
equable and regular motions; and it was Nicholas Copernicus who first
clarified for us the reasons for this marvelous effect." 1632,
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

All the same magnificent understanding using the observed motion of
the Earth whether it is Kepler ,Galileo or many others,no hypothetical
observer on the Sun to account for retrogrades (Newton) but just a
lovely  and neat fitting argument which allows axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle as seen from a rotating Earth.

If humanity loses its balance at the greatest known Western
astronomical achievement and decides that it can choose an alternative
means to explain observed motions then it is not only wrong,it becomes
dangerous.I am not attacking Newton,I am promoting the astronomy of
Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo in an era which will have none of it and
I can testify that in the years I have shown both the correct and
incorrect view side by side,I have yet to receive a single affirmation
that a bad mutation to the great Western achievement occured through
Newton.

None of you belong in science if this stands -

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Yea, yeah, I get it. You're an astronomical sycophant. So tell us why
NASA, using Newton's ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

In article
41ea427f-3d5f-43f9-aa12-f059eaea0...@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,





 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:32 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
0104397d-c55f-4284-a924-4b889c5b4...@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:46 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
727236eb-645c-4020-a28b-f37c88176...@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all his foul mouthing of Australia , his horrible anti-Christian
sentiments and others things,Turcaud has that little bit of class is
asking  particular questions which you could'nt even understand.I have
no interest seeing the return of a cornered rat so go back and enjoy
your geostationary convection cells and you variable tilting Earth
among those who know no better or are inclined to those notions.

If you want an insult,let me see if I have one for you,oh here is one
- 'you should be hung upside down by the balls and set on fire'.Are
you happy or is that too much ?

Sounds pretty kinky, but fireplay is beyond my limits.

Why don't you just explain what's wrong with Newtonian astronomy and
tell us why NASA, using those ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into
orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." <ETH>Chris L.

I can let you live with that illness where people positively refuse to
believe Newton got is so badly wrong that there is nothing left of his
ballistic agenda applied to planetary motion and all the exotic
outriggers that sprouted from it like warped space,multiple
universes,dark this and dark that ect.As far as I am concerned it is a
full blown illlness now but it belongs to you and not to the rest of
humanity who are unfamilia with the material.

No doubt you can continue on believing that there are a number of ways
to approach the observed behavior of the other planets and especially
retrogrades but thereis only one way to resolve those apparent
motions.Try Galileo using actual footage of the Earth overtaking
Jupiter and Saturn -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

"Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and
Mars also. In Saturn these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent
than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so that
the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars they are rarer, its
motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends
more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury, whose
circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and
retrograde motions appear in them also, due not to any motion that
really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is
acutely demonstrated by Copernicus . . .

 You see, gentlemen, with what ease and simplicity the annual motion
-- if made by the Earth -- lends itself to supplying reasons for the
apparent anomalies which are observed in the movements of the five
planets. . . . It removes them all and reduces these movements to
equable and regular motions; and it was Nicholas Copernicus who first
clarified for us the reasons for this marvelous effect." 1632,
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

All the same magnificent understanding using the observed motion of
the Earth whether it is Kepler ,Galileo or many others,no hypothetical
observer on the Sun to account for retrogrades (Newton) but just a
lovely  and neat fitting argument which allows axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle as seen from a rotating Earth.

If humanity loses its balance at the greatest known Western
astronomical achievement and decides that it can choose an alternative
means to explain observed motions then it is not only wrong,it becomes
dangerous.I am not attacking Newton,I am promoting the astronomy of
Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo in an era which will have none of it and
I can testify that in the years I have shown both the correct and
incorrect view side by side,I have yet to receive a single affirmation
that a bad mutation to the great Western achievement occured through
Newton.

None of you belong in science if this stands -

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Yea, yeah, I get it. You're an astronomical sycophant. So tell us why
NASA, using Newton's ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ÐChris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

People have been launching objects into the air since the first stone
and spear was thrown.A catapult will get you farther,a cannon further
still and then it all comes down to propellent.It was inventiveness
that got the Wright brothers to fly their plane and likewise rockets
is just more engineering inventiveness.It has nothing to do with the
central issue that Newton and his followers are phony representatives
of the great astronomical methoids and insights,they may be
dominant,but they will always be wrong.

You haven't answered my question. If Newton is wrong, then come come
people who use his methods come up with correct answers for questions
about spacecraft trajectories?

You come from a cult,

No, I don't. I don't worship anyone. If anyone comes from a cult, it's
you. You hold up Newton's astronomical predecessors as infallible,
perfect, and ultimate. You disparage anyone who disagrees with you and
you have no sense of humor. That's pretty cultish.

the cult  once had geometric foundations but
quickly jettisoned them for vague non geometric correlations that
people mistake for brilliance.

Not only do you worship certain people, you hold onto thoughts long
after they've been contradicted. For instance, I already told you that
what you said about geometry is bullshit.

A reasonably intelligent person
recognises how Copernicus reasoned the orbital motion of the Earth
from the observed behavior of the other planets and then followed with
axial rotation from the observed  daily cycle,it is simple,it is clear
and is beyond dispute yet you dispute it.

No, I don't.

You get to keep your view of retrogrades and their resolution that I
can openly mock as the belief of fools  -

You can mock me all you want (I have a sense of humor). But my view of
retrograde motion is correct.

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Why do you repeat that all the time? It's a very cultish anti-prayer.

I would not want superiority over fools much less convince them but
that is what all your efforts amount to.

Ahah! I always had the suspicion that I was expending effort to convince
a fool.

Keep up the good work
correcting your colleague's grammar and mathmatical notation,I would
not expect any less from you,do you hear.Remember to keep those
stationary Earth convection cells going,the solar /sidereal
fiction,

Now that's funny! Over the past few weeks you have perfectly described
and differentiated solar and sidereal time. You used different words to
do it.

the variable axial tilting Earth,

That is a mistaken reading of what I wrote. (Which is not surprising,
given that you refuse to recognize that you do understand and agree with
solar/sidereal time except when it is called that.)

the false approach to
retrogrades

You have never once explained what is false about it. All you've ever
done was try to discredit Newton. Just as you cannot disprove convection
by bringing up retrograde motion, you cannot disprove one explanation of
retrograde notion by trying to make a fool of Newton.

and their resolution and all those other concepts suited
to your 'scientific method' intelligence.

Mockery is not my business,besides you seem to mock yourselves quite
nicely without any effort on my part.Time to move on.

Yes, please do. I look forward to your moving on from all these little
field trips into kooky lalaland and explaining, in simple terms, how
much differential rotation the earth actually experiences and how that
drives continental movement. I'm also still not clear on what you think
causes retrograde motion.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Mar 8, 10:32 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
0104397d-c55f-4284-a924-4b889c5b4...@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,





 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:46 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
727236eb-645c-4020-a28b-f37c88176...@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all his foul mouthing of Australia , his horrible anti-Christian
sentiments and others things,Turcaud has that little bit of class is
asking  particular questions which you could'nt even understand.I have
no interest seeing the return of a cornered rat so go back and enjoy
your geostationary convection cells and you variable tilting Earth
among those who know no better or are inclined to those notions.

If you want an insult,let me see if I have one for you,oh here is one
- 'you should be hung upside down by the balls and set on fire'.Are
you happy or is that too much ?

Sounds pretty kinky, but fireplay is beyond my limits.

Why don't you just explain what's wrong with Newtonian astronomy and
tell us why NASA, using those ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into
orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." <ETH>Chris L.

I can let you live with that illness where people positively refuse to
believe Newton got is so badly wrong that there is nothing left of his
ballistic agenda applied to planetary motion and all the exotic
outriggers that sprouted from it like warped space,multiple
universes,dark this and dark that ect.As far as I am concerned it is a
full blown illlness now but it belongs to you and not to the rest of
humanity who are unfamilia with the material.

No doubt you can continue on believing that there are a number of ways
to approach the observed behavior of the other planets and especially
retrogrades but thereis only one way to resolve those apparent
motions.Try Galileo using actual footage of the Earth overtaking
Jupiter and Saturn -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

"Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and
Mars also. In Saturn these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent
than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so that
the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars they are rarer, its
motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends
more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury, whose
circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and
retrograde motions appear in them also, due not to any motion that
really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is
acutely demonstrated by Copernicus . . .

 You see, gentlemen, with what ease and simplicity the annual motion
-- if made by the Earth -- lends itself to supplying reasons for the
apparent anomalies which are observed in the movements of the five
planets. . . . It removes them all and reduces these movements to
equable and regular motions; and it was Nicholas Copernicus who first
clarified for us the reasons for this marvelous effect." 1632,
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

All the same magnificent understanding using the observed motion of
the Earth whether it is Kepler ,Galileo or many others,no hypothetical
observer on the Sun to account for retrogrades (Newton) but just a
lovely  and neat fitting argument which allows axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle as seen from a rotating Earth.

If humanity loses its balance at the greatest known Western
astronomical achievement and decides that it can choose an alternative
means to explain observed motions then it is not only wrong,it becomes
dangerous.I am not attacking Newton,I am promoting the astronomy of
Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo in an era which will have none of it and
I can testify that in the years I have shown both the correct and
incorrect view side by side,I have yet to receive a single affirmation
that a bad mutation to the great Western achievement occured through
Newton.

None of you belong in science if this stands -

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Yea, yeah, I get it. You're an astronomical sycophant. So tell us why
NASA, using Newton's ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ÐChris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

People have been launching objects into the air since the first stone
and spear was thrown.A catapult will get you farther,a cannon further
still and then it all comes down to propellent.It was inventiveness
that got the Wright brothers to fly their plane and likewise rockets
is just more engineering inventiveness.It has nothing to do with the
central issue that Newton and his followers are phony representatives
of the great astronomical methoids and insights,they may be
dominant,but they will always be wrong.

You come from a cult,

the cult once had geometric foundations but
quickly jettisoned them for vague non geometric correlations that
people mistake for brilliance.

A reasonably intelligent person
recognises how Copernicus reasoned the orbital motion of the Earth
from the observed behavior of the other planets and then followed with
axial rotation from the observed daily cycle,it is simple,it is clear
and is beyond dispute yet you dispute it.

You get to keep your view of retrogrades and their resolution that I
can openly mock as the belief of fools -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

I would not want superiority over fools much less convince them but
that is what all your efforts amount to.

Keep up the good work
correcting your colleague's grammar and mathmatical notation,I would
not expect any less from you,do you hear.Remember to keep those
stationary Earth convection cells going,the solar /sidereal
fiction,

the variable axial tilting Earth,

the false approach to
retrogrades

and their resolution and all those other concepts suited
to your 'scientific method' intelligence.

Mockery is not my business,besides you seem to mock yourselves quite
nicely without any effort on my part.Time to move on.

On Mar 9, 8:46 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
41ea427f-3d5f-43f9-aa12-f059eaea0...@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,





 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:32 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
0104397d-c55f-4284-a924-4b889c5b4...@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:46 am, Timberwoof
timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
727236eb-645c-4020-a28b-f37c88176...@n77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all his foul mouthing of Australia , his horrible
anti-Christian
sentiments and others things,Turcaud has that little bit of class
is
asking  particular questions which you could'nt even understand.I
have
no interest seeing the return of a cornered rat so go back and
enjoy
your geostationary convection cells and you variable tilting
Earth
among those who know no better or are inclined to those notions.

If you want an insult,let me see if I have one for you,oh here is
one
- 'you should be hung upside down by the balls and set on
fire'.Are
you happy or is that too much ?

Sounds pretty kinky, but fireplay is beyond my limits.

Why don't you just explain what's wrong with Newtonian astronomy
and
tell us why NASA, using those ideas, can't get a single spacecraft
into
orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." <ETH>Chris L.

I can let you live with that illness where people positively refuse
to
believe Newton got is so badly wrong that there is nothing left of
his
ballistic agenda applied to planetary motion and all the exotic
outriggers that sprouted from it like warped space,multiple
universes,dark this and dark that ect.As far as I am concerned it is
a
full blown illlness now but it belongs to you and not to the rest of
humanity who are unfamilia with the material.

No doubt you can continue on believing that there are a number of
ways
to approach the observed behavior of the other planets and especially
retrogrades but thereis only one way to resolve those apparent
motions.Try Galileo using actual footage of the Earth overtaking
Jupiter and Saturn -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

"Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and
Mars also. In Saturn these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent
than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so that
the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars they are rarer, its
motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends
more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury,
whose
circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and
retrograde motions appear in them also, due not to any motion that
really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is
acutely demonstrated by Copernicus . . .

 You see, gentlemen, with what ease and simplicity the annual motion
-- if made by the Earth -- lends itself to supplying reasons for the
apparent anomalies which are observed in the movements of the five
planets. . . . It removes them all and reduces these movements to
equable and regular motions; and it was Nicholas Copernicus who first
clarified for us the reasons for this marvelous effect." 1632,
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

All the same magnificent understanding using the observed motion of
the Earth whether it is Kepler ,Galileo or many others,no
hypothetical
observer on the Sun to account for retrogrades (Newton) but just a
lovely  and neat fitting argument which allows axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle as seen from a rotating Earth.

If humanity loses its balance at the greatest known Western
astronomical achievement and decides that it can choose an
alternative
means to explain observed motions then it is not only wrong,it
becomes
dangerous.I am not attacking Newton,I am promoting the astronomy of
Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo in an era which will have none of it
and
I can testify that in the years I have shown both the correct and
incorrect view side by side,I have yet to receive a single
affirmation
that a bad mutation to the great Western achievement occured through
Newton.

None of you belong in science if this stands -

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Yea, yeah, I get it. You're an astronomical sycophant. So tell us why
NASA, using Newton's ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." <ETH>Chris L.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

People have been launching objects into the air since the first stone
and spear was thrown.A catapult will get you farther,a cannon further
still and then it all comes down to propellent.It was inventiveness
that got the Wright brothers to fly their plane and likewise rockets
is just more engineering inventiveness.It has nothing to do with the
central issue that Newton and his followers are phony representatives
of the great astronomical methoids and insights,they may be
dominant,but they will always be wrong.

You haven't answered my question. If Newton is wrong, then come come
people who use his methods come up with correct answers for questions
about spacecraft trajectories?

You come from a cult,

No, I don't. I don't worship anyone. If anyone comes from a cult, it's
you. You hold up Newton's astronomical predecessors as infallible,
perfect, and ultimate. You disparage anyone who disagrees with you and
you have no sense of humor. That's pretty cultish.

the cult  once had geometric foundations but
quickly jettisoned them for vague non geometric correlations that
people mistake for brilliance.

Not only do you worship certain people, you hold onto thoughts long
after they've been contradicted. For instance, I already told you that
what you said about geometry is bullshit.

A reasonably intelligent person
recognises how Copernicus reasoned the orbital motion of the Earth
from the observed behavior of the other planets and then followed with
axial rotation from the observed  daily cycle,it is simple,it is clear
and is beyond dispute yet you dispute it.

No, I don't.

You get to keep your view of retrogrades and their resolution that I
can openly mock as the belief of fools  -

You can mock me all you want (I have a sense of humor). But my view of
retrograde motion is correct.

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Why do you repeat that all the time? It's a very cultish anti-prayer.

I would not want superiority over fools much less convince them but
that is what all your efforts amount to.

Ahah! I always had the suspicion that I was expending effort to convince
a fool.

Keep up the good work
correcting your colleague's grammar and mathmatical notation,I would
not expect any less from you,do you hear.Remember to keep those
stationary Earth convection cells going,the solar /sidereal
fiction,

Now that's funny! Over the past few weeks you have perfectly described
and differentiated solar and sidereal time. You used different words to
do it.

the variable axial tilting Earth,

That is a mistaken reading of what I wrote. (Which is not surprising,
given that you refuse to recognize that you do understand and agree with
solar/sidereal time except when it is called that.)

the false approach to
retrogrades

You have never once explained what is false about it. All you've ever
done was try to discredit Newton. Just as you cannot disprove convection
by bringing up retrograde motion, you cannot disprove one explanation of
retrograde notion by trying to make a fool of Newton.

and their resolution and all those other concepts suited
to your 'scientific method' intelligence.

Mockery is not my business,besides you seem to mock yourselves quite
nicely without any effort on my part.Time to move on.

Yes, please do. I look forward to your moving on from all these little
field trips into kooky lalaland and explaining, in simple terms, how
much differential rotation the earth actually experiences and how that
drives continental movement. I'm also still not clear on what you think
causes retrograde motion.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ÐChris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You people are just too diseased to repeat the main Copernican
argument for the orbital motion of the Earth using our orbital motion
to explain the behavior of the other planets,no hypothetical observer
on the Sun,just a plain orbital motion of the Earth -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

It is a full blown cult to be unable to find that the 17th century
idiot got it wrong and he most surely did thereby making any effort
to use the motions of the Earth in a productive way impossible.

People either see it immediately or they do not and if I had to
explain it,well... -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

I can grant you a fool's pardon but that is about all,if you can't
understand that you are seeing the orbital motion of the Earth along
with the other planets in the time lapse footage above you are
unlikely to be able to handle details of axial rotation,never mind
internal rotational dynamics.

Do not be offended,

You represent your kind very well and I am grateful
for the opportunity to have an able representative of the 'scientific
method' here insofar as it impossible to make distinctions when
mediocrity doubles up for anonymity. Continue to watch guard over
these guys and don't dare let them mention a rotatining Earth and
geology in the same breath.

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 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 9, 8:46 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
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 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:32 pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
0104397d-c55f-4284-a924-4b889c5b4...@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 8, 11:46 am, Timberwoof
timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
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 oriel36 <geraldkelle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all his foul mouthing of Australia , his horrible
anti-Christian
sentiments and others things,Turcaud has that little bit of class
is
asking  particular questions which you could'nt even understand.I
have
no interest seeing the return of a cornered rat so go back and
enjoy
your geostationary convection cells and you variable tilting
Earth
among those who know no better or are inclined to those notions.

If you want an insult,let me see if I have one for you,oh here is
one
- 'you should be hung upside down by the balls and set on
fire'.Are
you happy or is that too much ?

Sounds pretty kinky, but fireplay is beyond my limits.

Why don't you just explain what's wrong with Newtonian astronomy
and
tell us why NASA, using those ideas, can't get a single spacecraft
into
orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." <ETH>Chris L.

I can let you live with that illness where people positively refuse
to
believe Newton got is so badly wrong that there is nothing left of
his
ballistic agenda applied to planetary motion and all the exotic
outriggers that sprouted from it like warped space,multiple
universes,dark this and dark that ect.As far as I am concerned it is
a
full blown illlness now but it belongs to you and not to the rest of
humanity who are unfamilia with the material.

No doubt you can continue on believing that there are a number of
ways
to approach the observed behavior of the other planets and especially
retrogrades but thereis only one way to resolve those apparent
motions.Try Galileo using actual footage of the Earth overtaking
Jupiter and Saturn -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

"Now what is said here of Jupiter is to be understood of Saturn and
Mars also. In Saturn these retrogressions are somewhat more frequent
than in Jupiter, because its motion is slower than Jupiter's, so that
the Earth overtakes it in a shorter time. In Mars they are rarer, its
motion being faster than that of Jupiter, so that the Earth spends
more time in catching up with it. Next, as to Venus and Mercury,
whose
circles are included within that of the Earth, stoppings and
retrograde motions appear in them also, due not to any motion that
really exists in them, but to the annual motion of the Earth. This is
acutely demonstrated by Copernicus . . .

 You see, gentlemen, with what ease and simplicity the annual motion
-- if made by the Earth -- lends itself to supplying reasons for the
apparent anomalies which are observed in the movements of the five
planets. . . . It removes them all and reduces these movements to
equable and regular motions; and it was Nicholas Copernicus who first
clarified for us the reasons for this marvelous effect." 1632,
Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

All the same magnificent understanding using the observed motion of
the Earth whether it is Kepler ,Galileo or many others,no
hypothetical
observer on the Sun to account for retrogrades (Newton) but just a
lovely  and neat fitting argument which allows axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle as seen from a rotating Earth.

If humanity loses its balance at the greatest known Western
astronomical achievement and decides that it can choose an
alternative
means to explain observed motions then it is not only wrong,it
becomes
dangerous.I am not attacking Newton,I am promoting the astronomy of
Copernicus,Kepler and Galileo in an era which will have none of it
and
I can testify that in the years I have shown both the correct and
incorrect view side by side,I have yet to receive a single
affirmation
that a bad mutation to the great Western achievement occured through
Newton.

None of you belong in science if this stands -

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Yea, yeah, I get it. You're an astronomical sycophant. So tell us why
NASA, using Newton's ideas, can't get a single spacecraft into orbit?

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." <ETH>Chris L.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

People have been launching objects into the air since the first stone
and spear was thrown.A catapult will get you farther,a cannon further
still and then it all comes down to propellent.It was inventiveness
that got the Wright brothers to fly their plane and likewise rockets
is just more engineering inventiveness.It has nothing to do with the
central issue that Newton and his followers are phony representatives
of the great astronomical methoids and insights,they may be
dominant,but they will always be wrong.

You haven't answered my question. If Newton is wrong, then come come
people who use his methods come up with correct answers for questions
about spacecraft trajectories?

You come from a cult,

No, I don't. I don't worship anyone. If anyone comes from a cult, it's
you. You hold up Newton's astronomical predecessors as infallible,
perfect, and ultimate. You disparage anyone who disagrees with you and
you have no sense of humor. That's pretty cultish.

the cult  once had geometric foundations but
quickly jettisoned them for vague non geometric correlations that
people mistake for brilliance.

Not only do you worship certain people, you hold onto thoughts long
after they've been contradicted. For instance, I already told you that
what you said about geometry is bullshit.

A reasonably intelligent person
recognises how Copernicus reasoned the orbital motion of the Earth
from the observed behavior of the other planets and then followed with
axial rotation from the observed  daily cycle,it is simple,it is clear
and is beyond dispute yet you dispute it.

No, I don't.

You get to keep your view of retrogrades and their resolution that I
can openly mock as the belief of fools  -

You can mock me all you want (I have a sense of humor). But my view of
retrograde motion is correct.

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Why do you repeat that all the time? It's a very cultish anti-prayer.

I would not want superiority over fools much less convince them but
that is what all your efforts amount to.

Ahah! I always had the suspicion that I was expending effort to convince
a fool.

Keep up the good work
correcting your colleague's grammar and mathmatical notation,I would
not expect any less from you,do you hear.Remember to keep those
stationary Earth convection cells going,the solar /sidereal
fiction,

Now that's funny! Over the past few weeks you have perfectly described
and differentiated solar and sidereal time. You used different words to
do it.

the variable axial tilting Earth,

That is a mistaken reading of what I wrote. (Which is not surprising,
given that you refuse to recognize that you do understand and agree with
solar/sidereal time except when it is called that.)

the false approach to
retrogrades

You have never once explained what is false about it. All you've ever
done was try to discredit Newton. Just as you cannot disprove convection
by bringing up retrograde motion, you cannot disprove one explanation of
retrograde notion by trying to make a fool of Newton.

and their resolution and all those other concepts suited
to your 'scientific method' intelligence.

Mockery is not my business,besides you seem to mock yourselves quite
nicely without any effort on my part.Time to move on.

Yes, please do. I look forward to your moving on from all these little
field trips into kooky lalaland and explaining, in simple terms, how
much differential rotation the earth actually experiences and how that
drives continental movement. I'm also still not clear on what you think
causes retrograde motion.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ÐChris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You people are just  too diseased to repeat the main Copernican
argument for the orbital motion of the Earth using our orbital motion
to explain the behavior of the other planets,no hypothetical observer
on the Sun,just a plain orbital motion of the Earth -

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

It is a full blown cult to be unable to find that  the 17th century
idiot got it wrong and he most surely did  thereby making any effort
to use the motions of the Earth in a productive way impossible.

How did Newton get it wrong? (It's a simple question, yet you are unable
to answer it in a simple way. All you ever do is wail and gnash your
teeth about this alleged Newton Cult.)

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

In article
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 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
By the teenage years,judgements of relative motions is devloped enough
to drive cars and almost everybody,apart from those with physical
impairments,can drive with the full understanding of relative motions
and how to react.Likewise,the Earth overtaking the outer planets comes
from the same faculty insofar as it is almost impossible for a human
to overide their judment of the relative motions and infer the Earth's
orbital motion and that of the other planets around the central Sun -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

From that same perspective,the additional motion is axial rotation as
the cause of the daily cycle and both form a seamless perspective as
seen from a moving Earth.

To overide a natural judgement is a disease,if you feel so strongly
that Newton was right in his approach to an resolution of retorgrades
via a hypothetical observer on the Sun then it hardly matters what I
say,an illness is an illness -

 "For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Again,if you follow Newton's approach you overide natural judgements
but take comfort,you are not alone.Not stick with what you know and if
you want to follow that late 17th century idiot then good for you.

You have still  not demonstrated what, exactly, is wrong with Newton's
explanation of retrograde motion, nor have you explained what the
Earth's rotation (not orbit!) has to do with it.

Don't take this as an offense: you're an idiot.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

By the teenage years,judgements of relative motions is devloped enough
to drive cars and almost everybody,apart from those with physical
impairments,can drive with the full understanding of relative motions
and how to react.Likewise,the Earth overtaking the outer planets comes
from the same faculty insofar as it is almost impossible for a human
to overide their judment of the relative motions and infer the Earth's
orbital motion and that of the other planets around the central Sun -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

From that same perspective,the additional motion is axial rotation as
the cause of the daily cycle and both form a seamless perspective as
seen from a moving Earth.

To overide a natural judgement is a disease,if you feel so strongly
that Newton was right in his approach to an resolution of retorgrades
via a hypothetical observer on the Sun then it hardly matters what I
say,an illness is an illness -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

Again,if you follow Newton's approach you overide natural judgements
but take comfort,you are not alone.Not stick with what you know and if
you want to follow that late 17th century idiot then good for you.

oriel36 wrote:
On Mar 11, 3:00 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
4b1fa883-44b7-4642-8e05-d7df0afa8...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

 oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
By the teenage years,judgements of relative motions is devloped enough
to drive cars and almost everybody,apart from those with physical
impairments,can drive with the full understanding of relative motions
and how to react.Likewise,the Earth overtaking the outer planets comes
from the same faculty insofar as it is almost impossible for a human
to overide their judment of the relative motions and infer the Earth's
orbital motion and that of the other planets around the central Sun -
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
From that same perspective,the additional motion is axial rotation as
the cause of the daily cycle and both form a seamless perspective as
seen from a moving Earth.
To overide a natural judgement is a disease,if you feel so strongly
that Newton was right in his approach to an resolution of retorgrades
via a hypothetical observer on the Sun then it hardly matters what I
say,an illness is an illness -
 "For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton
Again,if you follow Newton's approach you overide natural judgements
but take comfort,you are not alone.Not stick with what you know and if
you want to follow that late 17th century idiot then good for you.
You have still  not demonstrated what, exactly, is wrong with Newton's
explanation of retrograde motion, nor have you explained what the
Earth's rotation (not orbit!) has to do with it.

Don't take this as an offense: you're an idiot.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is why yoiu all have an illness,the orbital motion of the Earth
overtaking the outer planets  accounts for apparent retrograde motion
leaving axial rotation to explain the daily cycle.,it was the means by
which Copernicus came to the insight and how people like Galileo and
Kepler understood it.

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

If you create a hypothetical observer on the Sun to account
retrogrades there is no possible means to explain axial rotation and
the daily cycle by the same means.It is quite an amazing thing to see
people stand idly by and do nothing or rather positively refuse to
believe that Newton not only badly mangled the main Copernican
argument for axial and orbital motion  but built his own agenda on a
contrived astrological framework.Again,it is the ability to overide
human judgements on relative motions that constitutes an illness or
worse,gross cowardice.

Perhaps I should not be astonished that the new orbital
component ,where a location turns through 360 degrees wrt the Sun over
the course of an annual orbit and quite apart from axial
rotation,cannot be understood,the intutive intelligence based on
judging relative motions is no longer present  and I deserve a few
moment of dismay on this account.

Go back to your own kind and stick with what you know.

  I know celestial mechanics and you do not display any knowledge of
mathematics.

with XYZ coordinates one can display diurnal motions and retrograde as
perceived by an observer on the earth or any other planet.   Newton
allows  first order calculation of these coordinates.  can you show in
any sense how the generation of positional coordinates is wrong.
coordinates are independent of any particular mapping system.

josephus
--
I go sailing in the summer
and look at stars in the winter,
"Everybody is ignorant but on
different subjects"
    --Will Rogers
Its not what you know
that gets you in trouble
its what you know that ain so.
    --josh billings.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

And this makes sense, too. You never did explain what was wrong with
this statement.

On Mar 11, 3:00 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:
In article
4b1fa883-44b7-4642-8e05-d7df0afa8...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,





oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
By the teenage years,judgements of relative motions is devloped enough
to drive cars and almost everybody,apart from those with physical
impairments,can drive with the full understanding of relative motions
and how to react.Likewise,the Earth overtaking the outer planets comes
from the same faculty insofar as it is almost impossible for a human
to overide their judment of the relative motions and infer the Earth's
orbital motion and that of the other planets around the central Sun -
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
From that same perspective,the additional motion is axial rotation as
the cause of the daily cycle and both form a seamless perspective as
seen from a moving Earth.
To overide a natural judgement is a disease,if you feel so strongly
that Newton was right in his approach to an resolution of retorgrades
via a hypothetical observer on the Sun then it hardly matters what I
say,an illness is an illness -
"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton
Again,if you follow Newton's approach you overide natural judgements
but take comfort,you are not alone.Not stick with what you know and if
you want to follow that late 17th century idiot then good for you.
You have still not demonstrated what, exactly, is wrong with Newton's
explanation of retrograde motion, nor have you explained what the
Earth's rotation (not orbit!) has to do with it.

Don't take this as an offense: you're an idiot.

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is why yoiu all have an illness,the orbital motion of the Earth
overtaking the outer planets accounts for apparent retrograde motion
leaving axial rotation to explain the daily cycle.,it was the means by
which Copernicus came to the insight and how people like Galileo and
Kepler understood it.

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

If you create a hypothetical observer on the Sun to account
retrogrades there is no possible means to explain axial rotation and
the daily cycle by the same means.It is quite an amazing thing to see
people stand idly by and do nothing or rather positively refuse to
believe that Newton not only badly mangled the main Copernican
argument for axial and orbital motion but built his own agenda on a
contrived astrological framework.Again,it is the ability to overide
human judgements on relative motions that constitutes an illness or
worse,gross cowardice.

Perhaps I should not be astonished that the new orbital
component ,where a location turns through 360 degrees wrt the Sun over
the course of an annual orbit and quite apart from axial
rotation,cannot be understood,the intutive intelligence based on
judging relative motions is no longer present and I deserve a few
moment of dismay on this account.


Go back to your own kind and stick with what you know.

I know celestial mechanics and you do not display any knowledge of

That is why yoiu all have an illness,the orbital motion of the Earth
overtaking the outer planets accounts for apparent retrograde motion

leaving axial rotation to explain the daily cycle.

,it was the means by
which Copernicus came to the insight and how people like Galileo and
Kepler understood it.

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

If you create a hypothetical observer on the Sun to account
retrogrades there is no possible means to explain axial rotation and
the daily cycle by the same means.

It is quite an amazing thing to see
people stand idly by and do nothing or rather positively refuse to
believe that Newton not only badly mangled the main Copernican
argument for axial and orbital motion

but built his own agenda on a
contrived astrological framework.Again,it is the ability to overide
human judgements on relative motions that constitutes an illness or
worse,gross cowardice.

Perhaps I should not be astonished that the new orbital
component ,where a location turns through 360 degrees wrt the Sun over
the course of an annual orbit and quite apart from axial
rotation,cannot be understood

,the intutive intelligence based on
judging relative motions is no longer present and I deserve a few
moment of dismay on this account.


Go back to your own kind and stick with what you know.

oriel36 wrote:

Go back to your own kind and stick with what you know.

I know celestial mechanics and you do not display any knowledge of
mathematics.

with XYZ coordinates one can display diurnal motions and retrograde as
perceived by an observer on the earth or any other planet. Newton
allows first order calculation of these coordinates. can you show in
any sense how the generation of positional coordinates is wrong.
coordinates are independent of any particular mapping system.

On Mar 11, 9:37 am, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com
wrote:


"For to the earth planetary motions  appear sometimes direct,
sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun
they are always seen direct.." Newton

And this makes sense, too. You never did explain what was wrong with
this statement.


I rest my case

Btw ,and this is not for you.

When Copernicus resolved the observed behavior of the other planets
using the orbital motion of the Earth and leaving axial rotation to
explain the daily cycle,the timekeeping astronomers took the latter
principle and created one of the most brilliant human creations that
every single person here uses today.

The average 24 hour day is a human construct derived by equalising the
variations in natural noon,it keeps 24 hours fixed to natural noon

and
keeps each 24 hour cycle elapsing into the next 24 hour cycle via a
correction known as the Equation of Time.

When axial rotation was
discovered to be the cause of the daily cycle,timekeeping astronomers
adapted the 24 hour day to planetary geography where 1 degree of
geographical seperation equals 4 minutes of clock time making 24 hours/
360 degrees.They did this by transfering the average 24 hour day toi
the axial cycle as a 'constant' ,a convenient way to keep clocks in
sync with the daily cycle and impose a correlation between planetary
geometry and geography.There is no external reference for 'constant '
axial rotation

even though the framework Newton built on considers the
noon cycles to be equal and axial rotation referenced off the stars -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Tiempo_sid%C3%A9reo.en.png

The great Copernican insight was the basis for keeping clocks in
sync with the daily cycle and terrestrial longitudes without requiring
an external reference for the 24 hour/360 degree correlation.

To think what was destroyed and remains destroyed .

If you can stomach
each other then good for you but basically there is nothing left of
Newton's agenda except as an extreme misadventure.I cannot believe my
fellow human beings would do this ,overide their own judgements on
relative motion and for what, acartoon version of the Earth's motions
and the solar system.

This is enough