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David Oberman
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:15 pm
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Here's a fun earthquake quiz from Florida International University:

http://www.fiu.edu/~srimal/erthqkqz.htm

Click the correct radial button, & your score will be generated at the
end of the quiz.

I missed two: No. 7 (a simple fact I just didn't know) & No. 8, the
answer to which confuses me because I assumed that, the further you
get from the quake origin, the greater the distance between P & S
waves grows (because P waves travel faster).







____
Let there be therefore two streams & two dispensations
of knowledge; & in like manner two tribes or kindreds of
students in philosophy -- tribes not hostile or alien to
each other, but bound together by mutual services; -- let
there in short be one method for the cultivation, another
for the invention, of knowledge.

-- Bacon, Preface, Novum Organum
Charles
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:30 pm
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:15:58 -0800, David Oberman <doberman@etc.>
wrote:

Quote:
Here's a fun earthquake quiz from Florida International University:

http://www.fiu.edu/~srimal/erthqkqz.htm

Click the correct radial button, & your score will be generated at the
end of the quiz.

I missed two: No. 7 (a simple fact I just didn't know) & No. 8, the
answer to which confuses me because I assumed that, the further you
get from the quake origin, the greater the distance between P & S
waves grows (because P waves travel faster).







____
Let there be therefore two streams & two dispensations
of knowledge; & in like manner two tribes or kindreds of
students in philosophy -- tribes not hostile or alien to
each other, but bound together by mutual services; -- let
there in short be one method for the cultivation, another
for the invention, of knowledge.

-- Bacon, Preface, Novum Organum


I didn't like the answer for nr 1.
Thomas A. Russ
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:58 pm
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David Oberman <doberman@etc.> writes:

Quote:
Here's a fun earthquake quiz from Florida International University:

http://www.fiu.edu/~srimal/erthqkqz.htm

Click the correct radial button, & your score will be generated at the
end of the quiz.

I missed two: No. 7 (a simple fact I just didn't know)

This follows from simple triangulation principles when all you really
know is the distance to an event. With 1 station, all you can tell is
that the event is a given distance away. This gives you a circle. With
2 stations, you get the intersection of two circles, which will most of
the time give you 2 potential locations (very rarely, just one if the
circles are tangent to each other). With 3 stations, you can narrow it
down to a single location.


Quote:
& No. 8, the
answer to which confuses me because I assumed that, the further you
get from the quake origin, the greater the distance between P & S
waves grows (because P waves travel faster).

I agree with you on number 8. I thought there were two correct answers
in the list. But I lucked out and picked the correct one.

--
Thomas A. Russ, USC/Information Sciences Institute
David Oberman
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:17 pm
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tar@sevak.isi.edu (Thomas A. Russ) wrote:

Quote:
I missed two: No. 7 (a simple fact I just didn't know)

This follows from simple triangulation principles when all you really
know is the distance to an event. With 1 station, all you can tell is
that the event is a given distance away. This gives you a circle. With
2 stations, you get the intersection of two circles, which will most of
the time give you 2 potential locations (very rarely, just one if the
circles are tangent to each other). With 3 stations, you can narrow it
down to a single location.

Thanks for the explanation, Thomas.
Incidentally, I just found a bigger version of the quiz at:
www.uh.edu/~jbutler/physical/chap18mult.html
47 questions in all, each one a "shear" unadulterated joy!







____
Let there be therefore two streams & two dispensations
of knowledge; & in like manner two tribes or kindreds of
students in philosophy -- tribes not hostile or alien to
each other, but bound together by mutual services; -- let
there in short be one method for the cultivation, another
for the invention, of knowledge.

-- Bacon, Preface, Novum Organum
Landy
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:17 pm
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"Charles" <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:15:58 -0800, David Oberman <doberman@etc.
wrote:

Here's a fun earthquake quiz from Florida International University:

http://www.fiu.edu/~srimal/erthqkqz.htm

Click the correct radial button, & your score will be generated at the
end of the quiz.

I missed two: No. 7 (a simple fact I just didn't know) & No. 8, the
answer to which confuses me because I assumed that, the further you
get from the quake origin, the greater the distance between P & S
waves grows (because P waves travel faster).







____
Let there be therefore two streams & two dispensations
of knowledge; & in like manner two tribes or kindreds of
students in philosophy -- tribes not hostile or alien to
each other, but bound together by mutual services; -- let
there in short be one method for the cultivation, another
for the invention, of knowledge.

-- Bacon, Preface, Novum Organum


I didn't like the answer for nr 1.

I agree. Perhaps the person who wrote the test needs to learn the
difference between stress and strain - the stress buildup happens *before*
an earthquake.
Plus Q8 has two correct options.
cheers
Bill
Landy
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:49 pm
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"David Oberman" <doberman@etc.> wrote in message
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Quote:
tar@sevak.isi.edu (Thomas A. Russ) wrote:

I missed two: No. 7 (a simple fact I just didn't know)

This follows from simple triangulation principles when all you really
know is the distance to an event. With 1 station, all you can tell is
that the event is a given distance away. This gives you a circle. With
2 stations, you get the intersection of two circles, which will most of
the time give you 2 potential locations (very rarely, just one if the
circles are tangent to each other). With 3 stations, you can narrow it
down to a single location.

Thanks for the explanation, Thomas.
Incidentally, I just found a bigger version of the quiz at:
www.uh.edu/~jbutler/physical/chap18mult.html
47 questions in all, each one a "shear" unadulterated joy!


The "answer" to Q14 is wrong in that one! Mind you it has a very strange
wording.
Plus I don't agree with 26 - the up/down first motion depends on where you
are with respect to the fault zone - you can just tell by looking at the
trace.
cheers
Bill
David Oberman
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:42 pm
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"Landy" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote:

Quote:
Plus I don't agree with 26 - the up/down first motion depends on where you
are with respect to the fault zone - you can just tell by looking at the
trace.

So you're saying that, based on the diagram, it could be a reverse
fault?







____
Let there be therefore two streams & two dispensations
of knowledge; & in like manner two tribes or kindreds of
students in philosophy -- tribes not hostile or alien to
each other, but bound together by mutual services; -- let
there in short be one method for the cultivation, another
for the invention, of knowledge.

-- Bacon, Preface, Novum Organum
Landy
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:02 pm
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"David Oberman" <doberman@etc.> wrote in message
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"Landy" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote:

Plus I don't agree with 26 - the up/down first motion depends on where you
are with respect to the fault zone - you can just tell by looking at the
trace.

So you're saying that, based on the diagram, it could be a reverse
fault?

I'm only remembering an exercise I did once - the up first/down first
movement of the pen depended on where you are in reference to the fault
plane - but maybe that only applies to strike-slip faults.
The Kat
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:25 pm
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On 29 Feb 2008 12:58:53 -0800, tar@sevak.isi.edu (Thomas A. Russ) wrote:


Quote:
& No. 8, the
answer to which confuses me because I assumed that, the further you
get from the quake origin, the greater the distance between P & S
waves grows (because P waves travel faster).

I agree with you on number 8. I thought there were two correct answers
in the list. But I lucked out and picked the correct one.

I missed that too (and ONLY that), and consider it, at best, a 'trick'
question.







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Mike Williams
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:02 pm
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On 29 Feb 2008 12:58:53 -0800, tar@sevak.isi.edu (Thomas A. Russ) wrote:


& No. 8, the
answer to which confuses me because I assumed that, the further you
get from the quake origin, the greater the distance between P & S
waves grows (because P waves travel faster).

I agree with you on number 8. I thought there were two correct answers
in the list. But I lucked out and picked the correct one.

I missed that too (and ONLY that), and consider it, at best, a 'trick'
question.
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Me, too, also. The preferred answer, B, ("As the distance to an earthquake
increases, the elapsed time before the S-waves arrive increases.") is
obviously true, but no more so than answer C ("As the distance to an
earthquake increases, the elapsed time between the arrival of the P- and
S-waves increases").

This from one of my Geology textbooks: "As the distance away from the
earthqake's focus increases, the S wave lags farther and farther behind the
P wave."

Mike Williams
David Oberman
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:05 pm
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"Mike Williams" <miklwlms@pacbell.net> wrote:

Quote:
This from one of my Geology textbooks: "As the distance away from the
earthqake's focus increases, the S wave lags farther and farther behind the
P wave."

That's how I conceptualized it, too, & I have no science background.
But I knew the primary traveled faster than the secondary, so I
envisioned a tortoise vs. hare race ... except the hare wins.

Badly worded question. See why the world needs us editors?







____
Let there be therefore two streams & two dispensations
of knowledge; & in like manner two tribes or kindreds of
students in philosophy -- tribes not hostile or alien to
each other, but bound together by mutual services; -- let
there in short be one method for the cultivation, another
for the invention, of knowledge.

-- Bacon, Preface, Novum Organum
Timberwoof
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:01 pm
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In article <krpgs3hsgqqfjsa2g0tjri9eqbo0vc3dbo@4ax.com>,
David Oberman <doberman@etc.> wrote:

Quote:
Here's a fun earthquake quiz from Florida International University:

http://www.fiu.edu/~srimal/erthqkqz.htm

Click the correct radial button, & your score will be generated at the
end of the quiz.

I missed two: No. 7 (a simple fact I just didn't know) & No. 8, the
answer to which confuses me because I assumed that, the further you
get from the quake origin, the greater the distance between P & S
waves grows (because P waves travel faster).

I missed 8 for the same reason: B and C are true. S-waves travel more
slowly than P-waves. Thus S-wave will arrive later as distance to the
earthquake increases, and the time between arrival of P- and S- wave
will increase.

I missed #6 about magnitude because I confused intensity and energy.

And I missed the one about deep earthquakes being caused only by
convergent faults. My reasoning was that a plate boundary can have
earthquakes at any depth.

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Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
John
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:26 am
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three questions on the 12-question test that are flawed (although
maybe not to everyone reading this board).

Question 1 is missing a word - it should say "earthquake cycle" rather
than "earthquake",
Question 8 clearly has two correct answers, B and C, and
Question 12 should be A, not D, as tilting and water level changes are
not well documented as preceding destructive earthquakes.

One of the challenges of writing a decent multiple choice test is to
have the number of errors in the test be less than the number of wrong
answers given by the best students, a goal missed by this test.
John
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:12 am
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On the 47-question test, some more criticism:

1. is missing a word - it should say "earthquake cycle" rather than
"earthquake"

2. is also too vague - "ground displacement" should be "displacement
on the fault surface", as the ground displaces near the fault, and
that displacement is not the slip, although no other answer is better.

6. in Japan, elastic rebound was inferred from the 1891 Nobi
earthquake, so reference to the 1906 SF quake is common but
provincial. Again, no other answer is better, so little harm done
except to scholarship.

11. ok, but should be less vague - should say M8+. One might guess
M8 means from M7.5 to M8.5, for example, which would give the answer 1/
yr.

14. (in contrast to the statement above, this is right, velocity is
roughly the square root of modulus over density, so denser means
slower, holding modulus constant. One could complain that the
question fails to state what is being held constant.)

15. generally right, but depends on what is the liquid and what is the
solid. Aside from ice & water, in the Earth the two sides have
different compositions. At the inner core boundary, due to the change
in composition, the change in velocity from the liquid outer core to
the solid inner core is nearly zero.

20. terrible question - intensity has a precise seismic definition,
which is not the amplitude of ground motion. The most common is the
widely-used Modified Mercalli intensity. See question 36! So the
third answer is correct, and the question itself is wrong.

21. the answer, to the extent it is determinate, is wrong. Direct
shear waves cause the most damage, surfaces are the largest motions
mostly at distances beyond the bulk of the damage. In the damaged
area, it can be hard to distinguish shear from surface waves, but that
is no excuse to pick surface waves.

26. (in contrast to the statement on this board above, this is right.
Perhaps the posters were confused - the question refers to the diagram
above, not the seismogram below.)

31. Although the teacher probably told its readers only S-P times can
find the distance, surface wave - P times can be used as well.
Conceptually, it would work the same way.

46. This is troubling, the scientific community does not find claims
of tilts and water well changes as earthquake precursors credible. Is
the earthquake course trying to be accurate or sensational?

I've found giving tests like this, after giving such a test once, the
best students in a big class would find and complain about all the
mistakes, so long as I told them what I thought they had missed. But
then one has to keep changing the questions to keep the fraternities
from just memorizing the exam answers.

I see the same questions at least 3 times on the web with Google, but
can't tell if they come from a book or are just copied from one class
page to another.
John
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:53 pm
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On Mar 1, 1:50 pm, "Landy" <no...@nowhere.net> wrote:
Quote:
"John" <john.vid...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On the 47-question test, some more criticism:
31. Although the teacher probably told its readers only S-P times can
find the distance, surface wave - P times can be used as well.
Conceptually, it would work the same way.

But you don't know the P "time" - you know the arrival time, but you don't
know the travel time, which is where S-P comes in.
cheers
Bill

To be more specific:

For S-P times, one knows for a given station when the S and P waves
arrived, and can deduce the distance to the earthquake by multiplying
the time separation by roughly 9 km/sec, given crustal wavespeeds for
P of 6 km/s and S of 4 km/s.

For surface wave - P times, and assuming a surface wave speed of 3 km/
s and P wavespeed of 6 km/s, the distance would be the time separation
multiplied by roughly 6 km/s.

Both could work.

John
 
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