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Alan Erskine
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:26 am
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What will this group be called; sci.space.orion?
Brian Gaff
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:37 pm
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I don't think there is any way to change group names, only create new ones
when needed.

I'd wait and see before jumping to any conclusions myself anyway. You will
have a new administration by then.

Brian

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"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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What will this group be called; sci.space.orion?

Alan Erskine
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:43 pm
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"Brian Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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I don't think there is any way to change group names, only create new ones
when needed.

I'd wait and see before jumping to any conclusions myself anyway. You will
have a new administration by then.

Yeah; it'll end up the same as the George H Bush idea.
Josef Büchsenmeister
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:42 am
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My hope, the shuttle fly behind 2010!

Regards!



"Alan Erskine" <alanerskine@bigpond.net.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:27 pm
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On Feb 29, 3:52 pm, bob haller safety advocate <hall...@aol.com>
wrote:
Quote:

i believe the shuttle will at minimum fly its current list of missions
unless it kills again......

hopefully the next adminstration almost certinally obama will take man
to LEO off nasa, and have them contrat it out.......

let private industry do the job, cheaper better faster.

private industry will do better cause nasa priorities are, pork, jobs
and payoffs

There's been too much of that and more, for sure. Nevertheless,
negligence often causes the crashes of large airliners (which, BTW,
have no crew escape systems). Passengers and crew alike rely on heads-
up maintenance, take-off, and landing procedures. In short, management
with integrity makes the difference, whether it's in the government
sector or the commercial sector.

JTM
Bash
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:22 pm
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On 26 Feb, 13:26, "Alan Erskine" <alanersk...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Quote:
What will this group be called; sci.space.orion?

Methinks SSS will go into SSH, as for what takes its place I couldn't
say.
I suggest Sci Space Craft Current as a candidate - S squared, C
squared, which kinda rolls of the tongue and covers a multitude of
space hardware. ;-p

Thoughts anyone?
maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:32 pm
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On Mar 1, 4:22 pm, Bash <bja...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On 26 Feb, 13:26, "Alan Erskine" <alanersk...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

What will this group be called; sci.space.orion?

Methinks SSS will go into SSH, as for what takes its place I couldn't
say.
I suggest Sci Space Craft Current as a candidate - S squared, C
squared, which kinda rolls of the tongue and covers a multitude of
space hardware. ;-p

Thoughts anyone?

How about sci.space.courtroom or sci.space.competition?

Beats the current sci.space.chaos, in my opinion.

JTM
maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:16 am
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On Mar 2, 8:44 am, bob haller safety advocate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 29, 5:27�pm, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com
wrote:





On Feb 29, 3:52�pm, bob haller safety advocate <hall...@aol.com
wrote:

i believe the shuttle will at minimum fly its current list of missions
unless it kills again......

hopefully the next adminstration almost certinally obama will take man
to LEO off nasa, and have them contrat it out.......

let private industry do the job, cheaper better faster.

private industry will do better cause nasa priorities are, pork, jobs
and payoffs

There's been too much of that and more, for sure. Nevertheless,
negligence often causes the crashes of large airliners (which, BTW,
have no crew escape systems). Passengers and crew alike rely on heads-
up maintenance, take-off, and landing procedures. In short, management
with integrity makes the difference, whether it's in the government
sector or the commercial sector.

JTM

airliners arent launced to orbit as loaded bombs.

Care to explain "loaded bombs?" If you don't like the explosions in
some high-altitude airliner disintegrations (optically recorded, BTW),
substitute "large cargo aircraft," such as tankers and C-5A types.
Many of those have occurred also.

(I didn't even mention the explosions of large crew-carrying aircraft
attributed to terrorist-style carry-on and/or planted bombs. How were
those permitted?)

My point was that without competence and integrity in management,
particularly with respect to heads-up launch, landing, and preparation/
maintenance types, there will be little difference between the
commercial and government sectors. I'm not talking design and
development here, obviously, unless such was unending.

JTM
Kalle07
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:32 am
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On Mar 2, 9:50 pm, bob haller safety advocate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
nasa design wise wants lots of jobs and pork to distruibuite as
payoffs.

private industry will want something safe cheap and effective. so they
can make a profit
Did I get this right, there are TWO successors being developed for

replacing the shuttle? The Constellation program by NASA, and Falcon 9/
Dragon by SpaceX?

And another question: Why does NASA not buy/license the Energiya
rocket from the Russians? Sounds like a successful design with no
chance to get built again due to money shortage...
maxson@mission51l.com
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:47 am
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On Mar 2, 2:50 pm, bob haller safety advocate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:

my point was that airliners by nature are much safer and easier to
operate than a space vehicle with solids or cryogenic fuels. true bad
management can make either unsafe. but space vehicles have a lot less
margin...

Okay, let's switch gears and assume a margin factor is paramount. If I
recall correctly, you've posted that an escape system should have
remained on the shuttle much longer, at least long enough to save the
51-L crew. I say the 51-L crew was not lost for lack of an escape
system, but for conspiratorial reasons.

I would have left an escape system on at least one of the orbiters
myself, if for no other reason than for the first launch from
Vandenberg. Was "national security" a proper justification for
declaring the shuttle operational after only four flights? I think
not. Reagan, Lockheed, Martin, and Thiokol ran shuttle operations at
Vandenberg as a military pork barrel. NASA is no Lone Ranger in that
arena.

By analogy, I think your point is that the Wright brothers were not
funded by NASA, They took their own risks. My point is that they used
no escape systems.

JTM
Jorge R. Frank
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:15 pm
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Kalle07 wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 2, 9:50 pm, bob haller safety advocate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
nasa design wise wants lots of jobs and pork to distruibuite as
payoffs.

private industry will want something safe cheap and effective. so they
can make a profit
Did I get this right, there are TWO successors being developed for
replacing the shuttle? The Constellation program by NASA, and Falcon 9/
Dragon by SpaceX?

Not really. NASA's involvement with SpaceX currently only regards cargo
transfer to ISS, not crew.

Quote:
And another question: Why does NASA not buy/license the Energiya
rocket from the Russians? Sounds like a successful design with no
chance to get built again due to money shortage...

Because it fails the number one objective of the new program: reducing
US dependence on Russia.
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:48 pm
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message
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Kalle07 wrote:
On Mar 2, 9:50 pm, bob haller safety advocate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
nasa design wise wants lots of jobs and pork to distruibuite as
payoffs.

private industry will want something safe cheap and effective. so they
can make a profit
Did I get this right, there are TWO successors being developed for
replacing the shuttle? The Constellation program by NASA, and Falcon 9/
Dragon by SpaceX?

Not really. NASA's involvement with SpaceX currently only regards cargo
transfer to ISS, not crew.

And another question: Why does NASA not buy/license the Energiya
rocket from the Russians? Sounds like a successful design with no
chance to get built again due to money shortage...

Because it fails the number one objective of the new program: reducing US
dependence on Russia.

And fails quite a few other criteria, such as "2 flights a successful
program does not make".

I don't know why people keep on trotting out Energiya as a symbol of
success.




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Kalle07
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:57 pm
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On Mar 2, 11:48 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:
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I don't know why people keep on trotting out Energiya as a symbol of
success.
It was a honest question, not a suggestion to NASA.
Alan Erskine
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:00 pm
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"Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@ibm-pc.borg> wrote in message
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Quote:
Because it fails the number one objective of the new program: reducing
US dependence on Russia.

How things have changed. Can you even imagine saying that just 15 years ago?
Amazing, isn't it?
Brian Thorn
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:02 pm
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:48:55 -0500, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
<mooregr_deleteth1s@greenms.com> wrote:


Quote:
And another question: Why does NASA not buy/license the Energiya
rocket from the Russians? Sounds like a successful design with no
chance to get built again due to money shortage...

Because it fails the number one objective of the new program: reducing US
dependence on Russia.

And fails quite a few other criteria, such as "2 flights a successful
program does not make".

Polyus performed an Ocean Insertion Maneuver, so even Flight 1 has to
have an asterisk next to "Successful".

Brian
 
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