"Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Feb 23, 1:27 am, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
"Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Feb 22, 2:44 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kelley Eidem wrote:

...

So the real secret if you get cancer is to grate a habeneros pepper
each day and grate a garlic clove or two each day, put it on some
bread with some butter, lots of butter 'cuz it's hot, and eat it.

It worked for me. Helped me get rid of Stage 4 Cancer. And it seems
to
be working a little bit for NM.

Do you have any real evidence to back this claim up?

I mean evidence backed by real science, not just your case.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Jeff

The failure to recognize the value of a good anecdotal case is the
hallmark of the mediocre scientist.

The evidence I have for you is that I am alive nine years later.

I was pleased to see about a year or so ago that researchers from UCLA
were able to shrink tumors 80% in mice with just one of the three
ingredients I suggest. They did it with capsaicin, the hot part of
peppers.

An 80% decrease is pretty extraordinary compared to what the FDA-crap
can do.

But that said, 80% is one thing. I shrank mine 100% in two weeks,
twice. Because the lesions disappeared in the first week only to come
back after I stopped the protocol (4 out of more than a dozen came
back). They disappeared again after about 4 days the second time.

I used freshly a tincture of freshly grated habeneros peppers, freshly
grated garlic, and emulsified cod liver oil.

The lesions never had a chance against that combination. But don't
expect any of the drug companies to rush out with their detail men to
promote the fastest cancer cure method there is, because there aren't
a lot of dividends to be paid from 50 cents worth of garlic bulbs.

What lesions? As you know, I am prepared to look at anecdotal evidence
of
cancer cures, and so is the NCCAM, but we do require cases of sufficient
quality and quantity involving types of cancer that are normally very
predictable in their behavior. With most anecdote the claims are
invalid
even on the internal evidence
e.g.http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm
.
Care to test us out with yours?

PMwww.cancerwatcher.com

You are not a reputable or a disinterested party. NCCAM gave Dr.
Seymour Brenner all of 5 minutes, as a perfunctory and legally
required gesture. I'm not interested in show trials.

It was YOUR claim that I was interested in. I have already examined
Brenner's on my web sitehttp://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/Brenneranecdote.htm.

So, you are not interested in revealing the details of your own cancer cure
claim?

Deal with UCLA's 80% shrinkage of prostate tumors if you want to.
Results like that should have created a groundswell of interest and
research. It should be the first topic of discussion whenever cancer
is talked about.

Prostate cancer is extremely responsive to hormonal influences, even when
metastatic.

I suspect this is in some way connected to the responsiveness
of prostate cancer to so many agents when in tissue culture and animal
studies. Any new treatments will have to prove themselves in practice.

PM (PS How's your back?)

www.cancerwatcher.com

"Kelley Eidem" <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 23, 1:27 am, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
"Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Feb 22, 2:44 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kelley Eidem wrote:

...

So the real secret if you get cancer is to grate a habeneros pepper
each day and grate a garlic clove or two each day, put it on some
bread with some butter, lots of butter 'cuz it's hot, and eat it.

It worked for me. Helped me get rid of Stage 4 Cancer. And it
seems >> > to
be working a little bit for NM.

Do you have any real evidence to back this claim up?

I mean evidence backed by real science, not just your case.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Jeff

The failure to recognize the value of a good anecdotal case is the
hallmark of the mediocre scientist.

The evidence I have for you is that I am alive nine years later.

I was pleased to see about a year or so ago that researchers from UCLA
were able to shrink tumors 80% in mice with just one of the three
ingredients I suggest. They did it with capsaicin, the hot part of
peppers.

An 80% decrease is pretty extraordinary compared to what the FDA-crap
can do.

But that said, 80% is one thing. I shrank mine 100% in two weeks,
twice. Because the lesions disappeared in the first week only to come
back after I stopped the protocol (4 out of more than a dozen came
back). They disappeared again after about 4 days the second time.

I used freshly a tincture of freshly grated habeneros peppers, freshly
grated garlic, and emulsified cod liver oil.

The lesions never had a chance against that combination. But don't
expect any of the drug companies to rush out with their detail men to
promote the fastest cancer cure method there is, because there aren't
a lot of dividends to be paid from 50 cents worth of garlic bulbs.

What lesions? As you know, I am prepared to look at anecdotal
evidence of
cancer cures, and so is the NCCAM, but we do require cases of
sufficient
quality and quantity involving types of cancer that are normally very
predictable in their behavior. With most anecdote the claims are
invalid
even on the internal evidence
e.g.http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm
.
Care to test us out with yours?

PMwww.cancerwatcher.com

You are not a reputable or a disinterested party. NCCAM gave Dr.
Seymour Brenner all of 5 minutes, as a perfunctory and legally
required gesture. I'm not interested in show trials.

It was YOUR claim that I was interested in. I have already examined
Brenner's on my web site
http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/Brenneranecdote.htm.

So, you are not interested in revealing the details of your own cancer
cure claim?


Deal with UCLA's 80% shrinkage of prostate tumors if you want to.
Results like that should have created a groundswell of interest and
research. It should be the first topic of discussion whenever cancer
is talked about.


Prostate cancer is extremely responsive to hormonal influences, even
when metastatic. I suspect this is in some way connected to the
responsiveness of prostate cancer to so many agents when in tissue
culture and animal studies. Any new treatments will have to prove
themselves in practice.

PM (PS How's your back?)

www.cancerwatcher.com

on 2/21/08 12:12 AM Steph said the following:
"Dan" <dannomano@nospamstuff.org> wrote in message
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on 2/20/08 1:24 PM Kelley Eidem said the following:
The age-adjusted percent went down by 1%. Meanwhile total deaths went
up 5,400.

Unfortunately percents don't do the dying. Family members are who
dies. So the family members of 5,400 more patients suffered and cried.

How many tears? Isn't one too many?
What until Epigenetic treatments hit in force. The rate will start to
go down drastically. Some think cancer will be a thing of the past in
10 years including Kurzweil.

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that in the past 30
years...........

Biotech is now starting to deliver. Researchers were looking only at
genes for a long time. Now they have discovered the software interface
layer (the epigenome). Via this programmable software layer environmental
factors affect cells for the worse or better, including causing cancers.
In principle, we should be able to reverse engineer these processes and
then re-program the software layer like a programmer fixes bugs in
operating systems like Windows.

on 2/25/08 9:00 PM Steph said the following:



"Dan" <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote in message
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on 2/21/08 12:12 AM Steph said the following:
"Dan" <dannom...@nospamstuff.org> wrote in message
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on 2/20/08 1:24 PM Kelley Eidem said the following:
The age-adjusted percent went down by 1%. Meanwhile total deaths went
up 5,400.

Unfortunately percents don't do the dying. Family members are who
dies. So the family members of 5,400 more patients suffered and cried.

How many tears? Isn't one too many?
What until Epigenetic treatments hit in force. The rate will start to
go down drastically. Some think cancer will be a thing of the past in
10 years including Kurzweil.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that in the past 30
years...........
Biotech is now starting to deliver. Researchers were looking only at
genes for a long time. Now they have discovered the software interface
layer (the epigenome). Via this programmable software layer environmental
factors affect cells for the worse or better, including causing cancers.
In principle, we should be able to reverse engineer these processes and
then re-program the software layer like a programmer fixes bugs in
operating systems like Windows.

Call me back when there is a single well-designed clinical trial showing
unequivocal evidence of meaningful benefit.
I'm not holding my breath

Look up a PBS special called Nova on Epigenetics. Especially the last
part with the MDS patient. Here is the link:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3411/02.html

"Dan" <dannomano@nospamstuff.org> wrote in message
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on 2/21/08 12:12 AM Steph said the following:
"Dan" <dannomano@nospamstuff.org> wrote in message
news:47bcf2b3$0$30689$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
on 2/20/08 1:24 PM Kelley Eidem said the following:
The age-adjusted percent went down by 1%. Meanwhile total deaths went
up 5,400.

Unfortunately percents don't do the dying. Family members are who
dies. So the family members of 5,400 more patients suffered and cried.

How many tears? Isn't one too many?
What until Epigenetic treatments hit in force. The rate will start to
go down drastically. Some think cancer will be a thing of the past in
10 years including Kurzweil.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that in the past 30
years...........
Biotech is now starting to deliver. Researchers were looking only at
genes for a long time. Now they have discovered the software interface
layer (the epigenome). Via this programmable software layer environmental
factors affect cells for the worse or better, including causing cancers.
In principle, we should be able to reverse engineer these processes and
then re-program the software layer like a programmer fixes bugs in
operating systems like Windows.


Call me back when there is a single well-designed clinical trial showing
unequivocal evidence of meaningful benefit.
I'm not holding my breath

On Feb 24, 3:24 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@internode.on.net> wrote:
"Kelley Eidem" <awthraw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

So the real secret if you get cancer is to grate a habeneros pepper
each day and grate a garlic clove or two each day, put it on some
bread with some butter, lots of butter 'cuz it's hot, and eat it.

It worked for me. Helped me get rid of Stage 4 Cancer. And it seems
to
be working a little bit for NM.

Do you have any real evidence to back this claim up?

I mean evidence backed by real science, not just your case.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Jeff

The failure to recognize the value of a good anecdotal case is the
hallmark of the mediocre scientist.

The evidence I have for you is that I am alive nine years later.

I was pleased to see about a year or so ago that researchers from UCLA
were able to shrink tumors 80% in mice with just one of the three
ingredients I suggest. They did it with capsaicin, the hot part of
peppers.

An 80% decrease is pretty extraordinary compared to what the FDA-crap
can do.

But that said, 80% is one thing. I shrank mine 100% in two weeks,
twice. Because the lesions disappeared in the first week only to come
back after I stopped the protocol (4 out of more than a dozen came
back). They disappeared again after about 4 days the second time.

I used freshly a tincture of freshly grated habeneros peppers, freshly
grated garlic, and emulsified cod liver oil.

The lesions never had a chance against that combination. But don't
expect any of the drug companies to rush out with their detail men to
promote the fastest cancer cure method there is, because there aren't
a lot of dividends to be paid from 50 cents worth of garlic bulbs.

What lesions? As you know, I am prepared to look at anecdotal evidence
of
cancer cures, and so is the NCCAM, but we do require cases of sufficient
quality and quantity involving types of cancer that are normally very
predictable in their behavior. With most anecdote the claims are
invalid
even on the internal evidence
e.g.http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm
.
Care to test us out with yours?

PMwww.cancerwatcher.com

You are not a reputable or a disinterested party. NCCAM gave Dr.
Seymour Brenner all of 5 minutes, as a perfunctory and legally
required gesture. I'm not interested in show trials.

It was YOUR claim that I was interested in. I have already examined
Brenner's on my web sitehttp://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/Brenneranecdote.htm.

So, you are not interested in revealing the details of your own cancer cure
claim?

I am only interested in sharing it with regular people.