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| T.B. |
 Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:30 pm |
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maxson@mission51l.com farted:
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One could ask you the same question.
<www.mission51l.com>
Quote: BTW, nothing's funnier than a usenet goof who can't wait and replies to
his
own posts.
Then laugh it up at Jorge Frank, et al. They do it frequently here.
The epitome of a big joke is someone like you who makes personal
attacks because he hasn't the technical knowledge to reply on the
merits.
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I don't see your qualifications on the footer of any of your posts, nutcase.
As far as I can tell, you've cobbled together a bunch of selective
information to support some bizarre, unsubstantiated paranoid delusional
theories and have clung to them for years on usenet with absolutely no
results, other than becoming the target of general derision from
half-interested people like me.
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| Leopold Stotch |
| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:47 pm |
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maxson@mission51l.com wrote:
Quote: On Feb 15, 6:28 pm, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:19:16 -0800, "T.B." <Partyslam...@socal.rr.com
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As a lurker and rare poster in this newsgroup, you strike me as someone with
some serious personal issues.
Perhaps, but traditional notions of what is and is not decent usenet
behavior are waived for anything to do with Maxson, who is a nutcase,
pure and simple and deserves to be treated as such.
Brian
Right, tougher than a hickory nut and 'Crazy Like a Fox.' Good enough
to handle the fruitcakes like you -- the ones too nutty to address
technical content.
JTM
More like "crazier than a shithouse rat".
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:10 am |
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On Feb 16, 8:47 pm, Leopold Stotch <butt...@southpark.org> wrote:
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More like "crazier than a shithouse rat".
On Feb 16, 6:56 pm, Leopold Stotch <butt...@southpark.org> wrote:
Quote: If the government has been engaged in such cover-ups and conspiracies
then why the hell are you still here? Surely any government that would
engage in half the activities you accuse them of would not hesitate to
arrange an "accident" and make you disappear.
Is that what happened to Daniel Ellsberg, after the release of the
Pentagon Papers? I think not. Do you need a link? Try Wikipedia.
How about the Lockheed bribes and overruns that prompted the Church
and Proxmire Investigations? Are you aware that Richard Nixon ended up
paying A.Ernest Fitzgerald a tidy sum about ten years after Ernie was
fired? That finally happened with the release of a Nixon tape where
Haldemann asked Nixon what to do about Ernie (for exposing Lockheed's
overruns). Nixon replied: "Fire the son of a bitch!"
The true cause of the shuttle Challenger explosion is more difficult
to expose technically than the C5-A overruns, so the Lockheed pork
barrel at Pad B is taking longer to expose. Add to that the more
sophisticated psychological and disinformation techniques now employed
by lobbyist money -- and here you are.
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:25 am |
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On Feb 15, 8:43 am, behlin...@gmail.com wrote:
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Where is the telemetry that shows the RCS firing?
Where is the booster telemetry to prove the Rogers contention that the
right SRB exited to the north?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:46 am |
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On Feb 24, 1:25 pm, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com>
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Quote: On Feb 15, 8:43 am, behlin...@gmail.com wrote:
Where is the telemetry that shows the RCS firing?
Where is the booster telemetry to prove the Rogers contention that the
right SRB exited to the north?
JTM
Easy. There is none. Telemetry stopped a breakup.
Answer my question.
Aft RCS doesn't fire until SSME shutdown. It has never, repeat never,
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:46 pm |
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On Feb 24, 3:46 pm, behlin...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: On Feb 24, 1:25 pm, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com
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On Feb 15, 8:43 am, behlin...@gmail.com wrote:
Where is the telemetry that shows the RCS firing?
Where is the booster telemetry to prove the Rogers contention that the
right SRB exited to the north?
JTM
Easy. There is none. Telemetry stopped a breakup.
That's my point. One must rely primarily on photography to credibly
determine the geometrical paths taken through the fireball by the
boosters.
The same is true of the right-aft RCS situation. What's so difficult
about accepting that? Did you really expect NASA to come clean with
the RCS valve commands?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:15 pm |
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On Feb 24, 5:46 pm, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com>
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Quote: The same is true of the right-aft RCS situation. What's so difficult
about accepting that? Did you really expect NASA to come clean with
the RCS valve commands?
You have no data. The RCS firing on previous missions never
happened. The "photos" don't show anything wrt RCS. You are seeing
things. Just like the thing people see in clouds. You are a
delusional person and can't separate reality from fantasy and who
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:30 pm |
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On Feb 24, 6:15 pm, behlin...@gmail.com wrote:
Wrong! I have 51-L fanfold RCS telemetry from the summer of 1986
(KSC), just for starters. Later I obtained a sanitized version from
JSC, as well as the 51-L stripchart data. My stripchart telemetry
shows that RCS pressures were at the *operating level*, not merely the
1-2 psi "fluctuations" shown in the Rogers Report.
The House Report acknowledges that NASA never provided House staff
with the 51-L telemetry they requested, and that therefore they had to
leave it "open."
Quote: The RCS firing on previous missions never happened.
Wrong again! Retired NASA Shuttle Program Manager Sam Beddingfield saw
exactly such telemetry at my house in Port St. John and vouched for it
on PBS. Significantly, the telemetry for those firings correlates
precisely with the optics.
Quote: The "photos" don't show anything wrt RCS.
Still wrong! You can't find any confirming orange (camera E207) coming
from the R-OMS pod at t+60 seconds on any mission other than 51-L.
Live and real-time-recorded broadcast video is prima facie evidence of
those firings.
Quote: You are seeing things.
Just what's there, like my CBS and NASA witnesses.
Quote: Just like the thing people see in clouds. You are a
delusional person and can't separate reality from fantasy and who
needs assisted care.
"There you go again!" You have no proof of what you say, so all you
can do is attempt to shoot the messenger. I don't think that's working
out very well for you.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:15 pm |
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On Feb 24, 8:30 pm, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com>
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Your whole website is full of misrepresentations (lies) and you call
yourself a "Christian" ?
You are the worse type. Claiming to be righteous yet doing the
devil's work. You call out other people, is your "house" in order?
You just want to bring attention to yourself.
You do not have the backing of the Bible in what you are doing. You
are wrongly accusing people. You are the one doing the wrong. |
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:18 am |
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On Feb 24, 9:15 pm, behlin...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: On Feb 24, 8:30 pm, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com
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Your whole website is full of misrepresentations (lies) and you call
yourself a "Christian" ?
You are the worse type. Claiming to be righteous yet doing the
devil's work. You call out other people, is your "house" in order?
You just want to bring attention to yourself.
You do not have the backing of the Bible in what you are doing. You
are wrongly accusing people. You are the one doing the wrong.
Attention to myself, eh? Like Ralph Nader?
You're more illogical than the O-ring concoction.
What kind of proof starts with "identifiable by its failure plume,"
without ever mentioning NASA;s 'a priori' photo ID band? What kind of
committee chairman promises to recuse himself over conflict of
interest, but instead blames the American people for the disaster he
misreported -- after sidetracking a Nobel laureate about booster
identification?
What sort of Christians were taught to ignore such chicanery? What
sort of Christians were taught that greater love have no man than to
look the other way while his brother is put to death?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:54 am |
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On Feb 25, 5:18 am, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com>
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What
Quote: sort of Christians were taught that greater love have no man than to
look the other way while his brother is put to death?
"put to death" Another lie. |
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:11 am |
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On Feb 25, 5:54 am, behlin...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: On Feb 25, 5:18 am, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com
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What
sort of Christians were taught that greater love have no man than to
look the other way while his brother is put to death?
"put to death" Another lie.
"Like sheep to the slaughter."
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:20 am |
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On Feb 25, 7:39 am, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com>
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Quote: behlin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d7791f95-3d8e-43fb-9252-d6f67df4f0e0@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 25, 5:18 am, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com
wrote:
What
sort of Christians were taught that greater love have no man than to
look the other way while his brother is put to death?
"put to death" Another lie.
Why do you keep responding to Maxson? It's really pointless and clutters
things up for those of us who killfiled him long ago.
Jeff
No one "clutters things up" worse than you, Findley, with sheer
fantasy comments such as "true" about statements that are quite
obviously false.
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| Jeff Findley |
| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:39 am |
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<behlingjo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d7791f95-3d8e-43fb-9252-d6f67df4f0e0@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Quote: On Feb 25, 5:18 am, "max...@mission51l.com" <max...@mission51l.com
wrote:
What
sort of Christians were taught that greater love have no man than to
look the other way while his brother is put to death?
"put to death" Another lie.
Why do you keep responding to Maxson? It's really pointless and clutters
things up for those of us who killfiled him long ago.
Jeff
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A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein |
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| maxson@mission51l.com |
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:10 am |
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On Feb 26, 1:13 pm, OM <om@all_trolls_must_DIE.com> wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:39:27 -0500, "Jeff Findley"
jeff.find...@ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
Why do you keep responding to Maxson? It's really pointless and clutters
things up for those of us who killfiled him long ago.
...Because, Jeff, Jim is a FUCKING IDIOT! He's so self-assured that
he'll be able to verbally beat anyone into submission that he's
incapable of understanding the Prime Law of Usenet: Unless you can
actually cause them physical harm, you can never beat a troll. You can
only killfile them and advise others to do the same.
...My suggestion? Killfile Jim as well. He's proven that whatever
knowledge he may possess from supposedly working with NASA is far
outweighed by the trolling he inflicts on the group by responding to
the trolling trash that currently plagues the groups. Besides, if Mary
killfiled him, then that's probably a good enough reason to send the
asswipe to Killfile Hell
If Mary becomes involved with my web strips technically, she'll have
to confront the same sort of withering evidence Jim Oberg did. Thus
any recommendations she makes in advance will be of no avail (as to
boycotting technical content).
Jim Oberg and Jon Berndt failed because they were in a complete state
of denial about portions of what the Photo Team misleadingly reported.
For example, I have stripcharts confirming RCS chamber pressures at
the operating level during the booster-crossing interval. Although
those pressures were not explicitly reported by the Photo Team, the
team did note an interval of RCS activity and made some relevant
inferences.
Neither Jim nor Mary have proved the absence of that *observed* RCS
activity. (See Appendix N, page 55, and launch day video.) The orbiter
didn't simply break up due to aerodynamic forces as described by NASA,
There was a whole lot more to it than that. There is evidence to
indicate that the orbiter attempted to get off the stack during the
brief interval when the boosters swiveled in their forward ball-joint
attachments to the thrust beam,and quickly crossed paths.
JTM |
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