In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

In article <6bf696fa-6bc5-4d30-8fa8-
3431e5536...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

On Feb 14, 6:31 pm, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:26:31 -0500, in a place far, far away, BDK
B...@magicsteel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

Uh huh. Guthball, you're a trip, that's for sure.

He is insane. Stop feeding the troll, please.

But you and others of your brown-nosed kind keep returning to the
fires of truth. Why is that?
. - BG

We like to play with the kooks. It's fun.

You wouldn't know truth if your life depended on it, Venus boy.

Later Guthball.

Seen any pretend believers lately?

BDK

On Feb 14, 11:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:



In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Never mind that a transponder on the moon to bounce signals off of
would have made the telemetry all wrong... that was the first clue
that began to unravel the conspiracy on "Capricorn One."

In sci.physics Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:


On Feb 14, 11:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.
Never mind that a transponder on the moon to bounce signals off of
would have made the telemetry all wrong... that was the first clue
that began to unravel the conspiracy on "Capricorn One."

You're not supposed to look at reality too closely, just accept that
it was all a conspiracy by Bush and company.

Yes, now it can be told; George Bush and the Republicans were behind
the Apollo hoax while we had a Democratic president.

--
Jim Pennino

On Feb 14, 7:16 am, Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 14, 7:48 am, BDK <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote:



In article <60bbf7be-0e21-4885-907b-dbda4dfe15b0
@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...

On Feb 13, 9:00 pm, isw <i...@witzend.com> wrote:
In article
8f0a5661-4879-481c-9fb5-981ff45cd...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:19 am, Matt <MattWri...@aol.com> wrote:
The original post here is one of the more clever versions I've seen of
burying a topic in gobbledygook that makes it look like the poster is
objective. Congratulations on your hard work.

There is, of course, no "controversy," only the laughable assertions
that A) NASA could not solve well-known problems of trajectories,
energy, radiation, etc. for a moom mission despite the Ranger probes
and Surveyor soft-landers preparing the way, and B) The people who
went to the moon, tracked the lunar spaceships, handled logistics,
etc. - including trackers in the USSR who had every motive to expose
any US deception - were all members of a grand conspiracy of which NO
paperwork and not a single verifiable witness statement has ever come
to light.

If that's what makes yourself and of so many other pretend atheists
and mainstream status quo rusemasters happy campers, then so be it.

I guess those off-world laws of physics and of peer replicated science
simply doesn't count.

BTW, where the heck was Venus hiding from those unfiltered Kodak
moments?

Don't know much about photography, do you?

Isaac

Are you Muslim, another pretend atheist, or just plain dumb and dumber
because of your incest mutated DNA?

Just answer my questions, or go to hell. It's called 'put up or shut
up'.
. - Brad Guth

Hey Brad! Please, for us sane people who don't know, what exactly is a
"pretend atheist", and why would someone pretend to be one?

BDK
Ready to laugh.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To the absolutly devout, you can't really believe there's no God so if
you say you're an atheist, you must be pretending.

Mind you, this is from a guy who thinks we should have gone to the
Moon to take pictures of Venus!

That's rather status quo or bust silly, and/or dumbfounded past the
point of no return.
. - BG

On Feb 14, 4:48 am, BDK <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote:
In article <60bbf7be-0e21-4885-907b-dbda4dfe15b0
@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...



On Feb 13, 9:00 pm, isw <i...@witzend.com> wrote:
In article
8f0a5661-4879-481c-9fb5-981ff45cd...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,

BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:19 am, Matt <MattWri...@aol.com> wrote:
The original post here is one of the more clever versions I've seen of
burying a topic in gobbledygook that makes it look like the poster is
objective. Congratulations on your hard work.

There is, of course, no "controversy," only the laughable assertions
that A) NASA could not solve well-known problems of trajectories,
energy, radiation, etc. for a moom mission despite the Ranger probes
and Surveyor soft-landers preparing the way, and B) The people who
went to the moon, tracked the lunar spaceships, handled logistics,
etc. - including trackers in the USSR who had every motive to expose
any US deception - were all members of a grand conspiracy of which NO
paperwork and not a single verifiable witness statement has ever come
to light.

If that's what makes yourself and of so many other pretend atheists
and mainstream status quo rusemasters happy campers, then so be it.

I guess those off-world laws of physics and of peer replicated science
simply doesn't count.

BTW, where the heck was Venus hiding from those unfiltered Kodak
moments?

Don't know much about photography, do you?

Isaac

Are you Muslim, another pretend atheist, or just plain dumb and dumber
because of your incest mutated DNA?

Just answer my questions, or go to hell. It's called 'put up or shut
up'.
. - Brad Guth

Hey Brad! Please, for us sane people who don't know, what exactly is a
"pretend atheist", and why would someone pretend to be one?

BDK
Ready to laugh.

Been there, done that. Go fish.

Whatever, so you've still got nothing. Gee whiz, what a surprise.
. - Brad Guth

On Feb 14, 3:12 am, Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 13, 12:20 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Feb 12, 11:19 am, Matt <MattWri...@aol.com> wrote:

The original post here is one of the more clever versions I've seen of
burying a topic in gobbledygook that makes it look like the poster is
objective. Congratulations on your hard work.

There is, of course, no "controversy," only the laughable assertions
that A) NASA could not solve well-known problems of trajectories,
energy, radiation, etc. for a moom mission despite the Ranger probes
and Surveyor soft-landers preparing the way, and B) The people who
went to the moon, tracked the lunar spaceships, handled logistics,
etc. - including trackers in the USSR who had every motive to expose
any US deception - were all members of a grand conspiracy of which NO
paperwork and not a single verifiable witness statement has ever come
to light.

If that's what makes yourself and of so many other pretend atheists
and mainstream status quo rusemasters happy campers, then so be it.

I guess those off-world laws of physics and of peer replicated science
simply doesn't count.

BTW, where the heck was Venus hiding from those unfiltered Kodak
moments?
. - Brad Guth

Well, since photographs are taken with the sun behind you, and since
Venus would be between the Earth/Moon and the Sun, then I'd have to
believe Venus is behind the photographer's shoulder.

And thus isn't going to show up in too many pictures.

And you've got that fully interactive 3D orbital simulator backing
this analogy up, of Venus always being "behind the photographer's
shoulder" or otherwise nicely hidden out of any FOV?

How about sharing just one FOV/picture, from whatever EVA or how about
one Kodak moment as obtained from orbit that so happens to include any
part of our physically dark moon?
. - Brad Guth

On Feb 14, 9:25 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:



In sci.physics Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.
Never mind that a transponder on the moon to bounce signals off of
would have made the telemetry all wrong... that was the first clue
that began to unravel the conspiracy on "Capricorn One."

You're not supposed to look at reality too closely, just accept that
it was all a conspiracy by Bush and company.

Yes, now it can be told; George Bush and the Republicans were behind
the Apollo hoax while we had a Democratic president.

--
Jim Pennino

It's another Jewish thing, or at the very least Zionist (the same as
what got Hitler so far along).
. - Brad Guth

On Feb 14, 4:05 pm, BDK <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote:
In article <b2de17e0-175c-4ea7-80ec-ce347c68c385
@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, bradg...@gmail.com says...



On Feb 14, 3:12 am, Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 13, 12:20 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 12, 11:19 am, Matt <MattWri...@aol.com> wrote:

The original post here is one of the more clever versions I've seen of
burying a topic in gobbledygook that makes it look like the poster is
objective. Congratulations on your hard work.

There is, of course, no "controversy," only the laughable assertions
that A) NASA could not solve well-known problems of trajectories,
energy, radiation, etc. for a moom mission despite the Ranger probes
and Surveyor soft-landers preparing the way, and B) The people who
went to the moon, tracked the lunar spaceships, handled logistics,
etc. - including trackers in the USSR who had every motive to expose
any US deception - were all members of a grand conspiracy of which NO
paperwork and not a single verifiable witness statement has ever come
to light.

If that's what makes yourself and of so many other pretend atheists
and mainstream status quo rusemasters happy campers, then so be it.

I guess those off-world laws of physics and of peer replicated science
simply doesn't count.

BTW, where the heck was Venus hiding from those unfiltered Kodak
moments?
. - Brad Guth

Well, since photographs are taken with the sun behind you, and since
Venus would be between the Earth/Moon and the Sun, then I'd have to
believe Venus is behind the photographer's shoulder.

And thus isn't going to show up in too many pictures.

And you've got that fully interactive 3D orbital simulator backing
this analogy up, of Venus always being "behind the photographer's
shoulder" or otherwise nicely hidden out of any FOV?

How about sharing just one FOV/picture, from whatever EVA or how about
one Kodak moment as obtained from orbit that so happens to include any
part of our physically dark moon?
. - Brad Guth

You mean that dark moon that's lit up really brightly a lot of the time?

BDK

That's it, as rather similar to what an open pit coal mine might look,
along with its mostly basalt surface with extra deposit minerals of
titanium, iron, sodium (from within), possibly thorium and otherwise
all very much dusty soot like dark as hell on average, pretty much
exactly as the average 0.11 albedo specifies, and as having been peer
replicated as being such a coal like dark moon.

If any significant portion of that moon was NASA/Apollo albedo worthy
of 0.75, as such we'd be blinded by the light of that moonshine
(having to wear our shades by night).
. - Brad Guth

Uh huh. Guthball, you're a trip, that's for sure.

On Feb 14, 8:58 pm, Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:





On Feb 14, 11:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Never mind that a transponder on the moon to bounce signals off of
would have made the telemetry all wrong... that was the first clue
that began to unravel the conspiracy on "Capricorn One."

You folks are really something special, mouth to pecker all the way.

What lies, disinformation or exclusion of evidence as derived from
your statements would you like to argue about?

A transponder (terrestrial or otherwise) can easily introduce as much
or as little signal delay as you'd like.  A transponder need not be on
the moon surface. (oops! sorry about that)
. - Brad Guth- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Feb 14, 6:31 pm, simberg.interglo...@org.trash (Rand Simberg)
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:26:31 -0500, in a place far, far away, BDK
B...@magicsteel.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

Uh huh. Guthball, you're a trip, that's for sure.

He is insane. Stop feeding the troll, please.

But you and others of your brown-nosed kind keep returning to the
fires of truth. Why is that?
. - BG

On Feb 14, 11:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Never mind that a transponder on the moon to bounce signals off of
would have made the telemetry all wrong... that was the first clue
that began to unravel the conspiracy on "Capricorn One."

In article <1717eb49-d824-48de-a8e1-1efa583ace85
@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, jowr...@gmail.com says...



On Feb 14, 9:01 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:25 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

In sci.physics Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.
Never mind that a transponder on the moon to bounce signals off of
would have made the telemetry all wrong... that was the first clue
that began to unravel the conspiracy on "Capricorn One."

You're not supposed to look at reality too closely, just accept that
it was all a conspiracy by Bush and company.

Yes, now it can be told; George Bush and the Republicans were behind
the Apollo hoax while we had a Democratic president.

--
Jim Pennino

It's another Jewish thing, or at the very least Zionist (the same as
what got Hitler so far along).
. - Brad Guth

Wait...Hitler was backed by the Jews?

Of course, he was but a pawn in their evul plans to take ova da VERLT!!

Gotta love kooks so deranged they believe such insanity.

BDK

On Feb 14, 9:01 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Feb 14, 9:25 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

In sci.physics Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:55 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:

isw wrote:

A friend and I watched, in real time, video transmitted directly from
the antenna on the lunar rover during the Apollo 17 mission. My friend
was a ham operator, and he had a 12-foot parabolic dish in his back
yard; it was pointed directly at the moon. I contributed the video
expertise necessary to demodulate the signal. The image was very noisy,
but recognizable when we saw it some time later on a network broadcast.

That's a little fact that Moon hoax supporters will have trouble
with...why were the signals coming from the Moon?

The usual wacko response it that there was a transponder just to fool
the HAMs.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.
Never mind that a transponder on the moon to bounce signals off of
would have made the telemetry all wrong... that was the first clue
that began to unravel the conspiracy on "Capricorn One."

You're not supposed to look at reality too closely, just accept that
it was all a conspiracy by Bush and company.

Yes, now it can be told; George Bush and the Republicans were behind
the Apollo hoax while we had a Democratic president.

--
Jim Pennino

It's another Jewish thing, or at the very least Zionist (the same as
what got Hitler so far along).
. - Brad Guth

Wait...Hitler was backed by the Jews?