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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:10 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:57 pm

On Feb 3, 1:10 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

The frequency of accidental marine cable cutting is sufficiently a
common enough event that the business of repairing them keeps quite a
few cable repair ships in business. Perhaps it was one of these firms
that intentionally cut the cable, so they could be hired to repair
it? :-)

Say, aren't you the same guy who still believes that con man Stan
Meyer was poisoned by people wanting to steal his little scam?

Harry C.

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:25 pm

On Feb 3, 7:57 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:

Quote:

In article <M7WdnYWq8dkhFDvanZ2dnUVZ_uKpn...@comcast.com>, n...@isp.com
says...

In article
34dee4f5-ddbb-494a-b933-e266bfc29...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
hhc...@yahoo.com says...

On Feb 3, 1:10=A0am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

I forgot to include this:

Iran Oil Bourse to deal blow to dollar
Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:45:41

The long-awaited Iranian Oil Bourse, a place for trading oil, petrochemicals
and gas in various non-dollar currencies, will soon open.

Iran's Finance Minister Davoud Danesh-Jafari told reporters the bourse will be
inaugurated during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11)
at the latest.

"All preparations have been made to launch the bourse; it will open during the
Ten-Day Dawn (the ceremonies marking the victory of the 1979 Islamic
Revolution in Iran)," he said.

The Minister had earlier stated that the Oil Bourse is located on the Persian
Gulf island of Kish.

Some expert opinions hold inauguration of the bourse cold significantly
devalue the greenback.

Don't bother Harry CONover with facts.
The government and it's minions are his Gods.
"They would NEVER CONspire to do ANYTHING."

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:48 pm

On Feb 3, 10:42 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:

Quote:

In article

Trust me Dersu, I mean no offence, but the gentleman that originally
posted this article has long been known for his fondness with
conspiracy theories.

Quote:

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

Dersu, access to precisely what? Also, deliberate espionage and
modern technology fly in the face of each other here. Countries in the
Persian Gulf are very wealthy (Dubain in particular), and
technologically sophisticated. (I only wish that the US was so
wealthy.) Something does not fly right with this story. First, marine
cables are today alway today laid in reduntant pairs located miles
apart, so it one is cut, the other continues to function. Second,
usually back-up land lines exist with broad-band optical communication
via lines going to adjacient nations (sort of an International Comcast
Network). All that failing, there are microwave communication links to
nearby countries, and satellite links to nations throughout the world.

Quote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/04/2153455.htm
Ships did not cut internet cables: Egypt

No one yet knows what cut the cables. Ship anchors remail the usual
suspects.

Quote:

Ships are not responsible for damaging undersea internet cables in the
Mediterranean, Egypt's Government says.

You seem to trust a great deal on what Egypt's goverment says. While
ships anchoring offshore are not liable for cable damage anywhere in
the world, where the cables are not clearly marked on navigational
charts, if they anchor in an area documented on the charts to contain
a cable, they are subject to court charges. This appies to any
submarine cable, and there are no marine cables that I know of that
are specific to internet use.

Quote:

Two cables were damaged earlier this week in the Mediterranean sea and another
off the coast of Dubai, causing widespread disruption to internet and
international telephone services in Egypt, Gulf Arab states and South Asia..

So what? A submarine cable was cut last month by a large fishing boat
anchoring off "Georges Bank" near the coast of Massachusetts. Shit
happens!

Quote:

A fourth cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was damaged on Sunday
causing yet more disruptions, telecommunication provider Qtel said.

So, perhaps a plot is afoot, but do you have any grasp about how hard
it is to locate a marine cable, yet alone hook it, haul it up, and
then cut it? I logically have to ask why would anyone bother, since
the marine cables nearly all have redundant companions. Why whould
anyone at great risk and expense even bother.

Quote:

Egypt's transport ministry said footage recorded by onshore video cameras of
the location of the cables showed no maritime traffic in the area when the
cables were damaged.

This is somewhat surprising, since the sea area in question is among
one of the most frequently transited in the world. Odd, don't you
think, that Egypts cameras were recording photos of an area, what was
it, 38-miles offshore? It is also rather odd that the Egyptian
cameras "showed no maritime traffic" in a area of sea that is among
the most transited in the world. Evidently the Egyptian camera's have
a serious problem, or you are making this up as you go along. Take a
look at Google Earth's image of this region, and then you'll start to
wonder why there are not more ship collisions.

Quote:

"The ministry's maritime transport committee reviewed footage covering the
period of 12 hours before and 12 hours after the cables were cut and no ships
sailed the area," a statement said.

Then, no ships being in the region, the cable naturally failed.
Evidently the "ministry of maritime transport" proves this.

Quote:

"The area is also marked on maps as a no-go zone and it is therefore ruled out
that the damage to the cables was caused by ships."

Right, and I've like to see these charts that are easily available.
Simply post the coordinates.

Quote:

Earlier reports said that the damage had been caused by ships that had been
diverted off their usual route because of bad weather.

Has it crossed your mind that in bad weather, ships frequently drop
anchor. Then too, your earlier claims indicate that Egypt reported no
ships in the area at the time of the cable break.

Which lie or fabrication would you rather stick to?

Harry C.

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:28 pm

On Feb 3, 10:57 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:

Quote:

Perhaps you should take a few steps back and remember what happened
during the "6 Day War".

I was just a college kid at the time, and my physics class consisted
at a mis of Arabs from Egypt and Lebanon, some Jewish kids (mostly
from New York, and about 1/3 of the class was us common American
worker's children. Frankly other than our class standing, none of us
American's gave much thought to what some of those crazy guys from the
middle east thought or believed.

For the record, this was at Drexel in Philadelphia, circa 1956. That
was to put it mildly a strange time. Still you have to consider that
the class I cite was one for physics majors.

What seemed strange to me at that time was that the Egyptian and Arab
kids literally cited an attack on horseback and with swords would
literally drive Israel back into the sea. I think that they actually
believe this, and these kids were majors in physics! It made
absolutely no sense to the rest us at the time. It was arguable a
testimonial to the value of brainwashing. Then came the "6 day war."
The outcome was a "no brainer".

Still, as physics students, nobody gave very much notice to that
event. College life went on as usual, but some of the Arab students
decided to go home, but a few remained on to earn their degrees. Most
of these who remained later became US citizens.

Hell, at that age, what do kids know?

Some 50 years later, I have evolved to be a rather mean bastard, one
which would make Vlad the Impaler appear to be broad minded mellow
sort of chap. Actually, were it entirely up to me, I'd advocate nuking
the middle east and parts of North Africa off the map and turning the
entire areas into a sort of vitrified sand. After all, the
inhabitants of this part of the world have persisted in their attacks
on civilized people for over 1,000 years, so they must be the product
of defective genes of some sort. :-)

Harry C.

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:37 pm

On Feb 3, 9:28 pm, hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

On Feb 3, 10:57 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:

In article <M7WdnYWq8dkhFDvanZ2dnUVZ_uKpn...@comcast.com>, n...@isp.com
says...

In article
34dee4f5-ddbb-494a-b933-e266bfc29...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
hhc...@yahoo.com says...

On Feb 3, 1:10=A0am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

I forgot to include this:

Iran Oil Bourse to deal blow to dollar
Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:45:41

The long-awaited Iranian Oil Bourse, a place for trading oil, petrochemicals
and gas in various non-dollar currencies, will soon open.

Iran's Finance Minister Davoud Danesh-Jafari told reporters the bourse will be
inaugurated during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11)
at the latest.

"All preparations have been made to launch the bourse; it will open during the
Ten-Day Dawn (the ceremonies marking the victory of the 1979 Islamic
Revolution in Iran)," he said.

The Minister had earlier stated that the Oil Bourse is located on the Persian
Gulf island of Kish.

Some expert opinions hold inauguration of the bourse cold significantly
devalue the greenback.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Perhaps you should take a few steps back and remember what happened
during the "6 Day War".

I was just a college kid at the time, and my physics class consisted
at a mis of Arabs from Egypt and Lebanon, some Jewish kids (mostly
from New York, and about 1/3 of the class was us common American
worker's children. Frankly other than our class standing, none of us
American's gave much thought to what some of those crazy guys from the
middle east thought or believed.

For the record, this was at Drexel in Philadelphia, circa 1956. That
was to put it mildly a strange time. Still you have to consider that
the class I cite was one for physics majors.

What seemed strange to me at that time was that the Egyptian and Arab
kids literally cited an attack on horseback and with swords would
literally drive Israel back into the sea. I think that they actually
believe this, and these kids were majors in physics! It made
absolutely no sense to the rest us at the time. It was arguable a
testimonial to the value of brainwashing. Then came the "6 day war."
The outcome was a "no brainer".

Still, as physics students, nobody gave very much notice to that
event. College life went on as usual, but some of the Arab students
decided to go home, but a few remained on to earn their degrees. Most
of these who remained later became US citizens.

Hell, at that age, what do kids know?

Some 50 years later, I have evolved to be a rather mean bastard, one
which would make Vlad the Impaler appear to be broad minded mellow
sort of chap. Actually, were it entirely up to me, I'd advocate nuking
the middle east and parts of North Africa off the map and turning the
entire areas into a sort of vitrified sand. After all, the
inhabitants of this part of the world have persisted in their attacks
on civilized people for over 1,000 years, so they must be the product
of defective genes of some sort. :-)

Harry C.

They are "nuking" the middle east one shell at a time.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=depleted+uranium&btnG=Search

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:50 pm

On Feb 3, 11:25 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

On Feb 3, 7:57 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:

In article <M7WdnYWq8dkhFDvanZ2dnUVZ_uKpn...@comcast.com>, n...@isp.com
says...

In article
34dee4f5-ddbb-494a-b933-e266bfc29...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
hhc...@yahoo.com says...

On Feb 3, 1:10=A0am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

I forgot to include this:

Iran Oil Bourse to deal blow to dollar
Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:45:41

The long-awaited Iranian Oil Bourse, a place for trading oil, petrochemicals
and gas in various non-dollar currencies, will soon open.

Iran's Finance Minister Davoud Danesh-Jafari told reporters the bourse will be
inaugurated during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11)
at the latest.

"All preparations have been made to launch the bourse; it will open during the
Ten-Day Dawn (the ceremonies marking the victory of the 1979 Islamic
Revolution in Iran)," he said.

The Minister had earlier stated that the Oil Bourse is located on the Persian
Gulf island of Kish.

Some expert opinions hold inauguration of the bourse cold significantly
devalue the greenback.

Don't bother Harry CONover with facts.
The government and it's minions are his Gods.
"They would NEVER CONspire to do ANYTHING."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Probably right JW, since it take a consumate liar and con artist like
Stan Meyer to steal money from any other than the most ignorant people
in the US. How is it now that you, who dare to post to everyone else,
were so extremely so stupid to be scammed by Stan Meyer?

What the heck is it with you JW. You think that all of the readers to
this newsgroup arrived just last week, and don't know who you are.

Several of us here have been around for 5 or 10 years, and remember
you well, before you posted under different names. Don may want to
correct me on this bit of history, but as I seem to recall it, your
first started to post under the sig JW, then shifted to h20pwr, and
now whatever it is. Quite possibly some other false posting names in
between. As you are well aware, a majority of the respected posters
on this an other newsgroups posts using their real names, so
contacting them personally is relatively easy. We/they are not cowards
like you. Don Lancaster, Bill Ward, and most others post under their
real names and are demonstrably gentlemen who I would be pleased to
have dinner at home with my wife and family. I post under my real
name, but to avoid email spam, post using a fictictious email address.
(My real email address is hhc3141@yahoo.net, and my personal telephone
number is 978-256-6972.) I've been posting this contact information
for at least 8-years, but have yet to have one of you kooks contact me
by either email or over the phone. What a sorry lot!

Get a clue. By now you must be getting older, and maybe becoming a
bit forgetful, still just as stupid, remaining in denial to the fact
that hillbilly con man Stan Meyer was able to rip you off. Are you
still trying to defend that criminal bastard, Stan Meyer...for many it
heartburn that somebody did not actually poison that reprobate, or
simply shot him.

Harry C.

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:03 pm

On Feb 4, 12:37 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

On Feb 3, 9:28 pm, hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Feb 3, 10:57 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:

In article <M7WdnYWq8dkhFDvanZ2dnUVZ_uKpn...@comcast.com>, n...@isp.com
says...

In article
34dee4f5-ddbb-494a-b933-e266bfc29...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
hhc...@yahoo.com says...

On Feb 3, 1:10=A0am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

I forgot to include this:

Iran Oil Bourse to deal blow to dollar
Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:45:41

The long-awaited Iranian Oil Bourse, a place for trading oil, petrochemicals
and gas in various non-dollar currencies, will soon open.

Iran's Finance Minister Davoud Danesh-Jafari told reporters the bourse will be
inaugurated during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11)
at the latest.

"All preparations have been made to launch the bourse; it will open during the
Ten-Day Dawn (the ceremonies marking the victory of the 1979 Islamic
Revolution in Iran)," he said.

The Minister had earlier stated that the Oil Bourse is located on the Persian
Gulf island of Kish.

Some expert opinions hold inauguration of the bourse cold significantly
devalue the greenback.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Perhaps you should take a few steps back and remember what happened
during the "6 Day War".

I was just a college kid at the time, and my physics class consisted
at a mis of Arabs from Egypt and Lebanon, some Jewish kids (mostly
from New York, and about 1/3 of the class was us common American
worker's children. Frankly other than our class standing, none of us
American's gave much thought to what some of those crazy guys from the
middle east thought or believed.

For the record, this was at Drexel in Philadelphia, circa 1956. That
was to put it mildly a strange time. Still you have to consider that
the class I cite was one for physics majors.

What seemed strange to me at that time was that the Egyptian and Arab
kids literally cited an attack on horseback and with swords would
literally drive Israel back into the sea. I think that they actually
believe this, and these kids were majors in physics! It made
absolutely no sense to the rest us at the time. It was arguable a
testimonial to the value of brainwashing. Then came the "6 day war."
The outcome was a "no brainer".

Still, as physics students, nobody gave very much notice to that
event. College life went on as usual, but some of the Arab students
decided to go home, but a few remained on to earn their degrees. Most
of these who remained later became US citizens.

Hell, at that age, what do kids know?

Some 50 years later, I have evolved to be a rather mean bastard, one
which would make Vlad the Impaler appear to be broad minded mellow
sort of chap. Actually, were it entirely up to me, I'd advocate nuking
the middle east and parts of North Africa off the map and turning the
entire areas into a sort of vitrified sand. After all, the
inhabitants of this part of the world have persisted in their attacks
on civilized people for over 1,000 years, so they must be the product
of defective genes of some sort. :-)

Harry C.

They are "nuking" the middle east one shell at a time.http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=depleted+uranium&btnG=Search- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You idiot, don't you even realize that shooting depleted uranium
bullets at these guys is equivalent to shooting bullets made of
Granite against then, alhough much more effective?

Harry C.

p.s., I really have to ask you this question: Are you terminally
ignorant that you don't know the difference in toxicity resulting from
being hit with a depleted uranium bullet and a copper encased lead
bullet? Dhuh!

Ok, we know from whom this post originated, so lets cut that guy a
break. I don't know who he is, but everyone here know what I want to
say, but won't.

Harry C.

Dersu Uzala

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:42 pm

Guest

In article
<34dee4f5-ddbb-494a-b933-e266bfc29841@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
hhc314@yahoo.com says...

Quote:

On Feb 3, 1:10=A0am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/04/2153455.htm
Ships did not cut internet cables: Egypt

Ships are not responsible for damaging undersea internet cables in the
Mediterranean, Egypt's Government says.

Two cables were damaged earlier this week in the Mediterranean sea and another
off the coast of Dubai, causing widespread disruption to internet and
international telephone services in Egypt, Gulf Arab states and South Asia.

A fourth cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was damaged on Sunday
causing yet more disruptions, telecommunication provider Qtel said.

Egypt's transport ministry said footage recorded by onshore video cameras of
the location of the cables showed no maritime traffic in the area when the
cables were damaged.

"The ministry's maritime transport committee reviewed footage covering the
period of 12 hours before and 12 hours after the cables were cut and no ships
sailed the area," a statement said.

"The area is also marked on maps as a no-go zone and it is therefore ruled out
that the damage to the cables was caused by ships."

Earlier reports said that the damage had been caused by ships that had been
diverted off their usual route because of bad weather.

A repair ship is expected to begin work to fix the two Mediterranean cables on
Tuesday.

- AFP

Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:47 pm

On Feb 4, 12:37 am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

I personally wish we were doing it with W80 nuclear warheads. That
way it would eliminate most of the ongoing pain, like people with
their heads being cut-off with one thousand strokes and all that.
Thenm possibly a larger nuclear device would be more in order, with
the fine grain details of the glassification of the middle east being
conducted by the Tomahawk borne W80s.

I tend to belive that a part of the problem is that the residents of
the middle east have absolutely no concept of what a full strength
nuclear attack could do to them. For that purpose, as Chevy Chase
would say, never underestimate the selling power of a demonstration.
For a start, one W80 equpped Tomahaw could in an instant remove either
Baghdad, Abu Dhabi. or Dubai (the prize) from the face of the map.

Like training donkeys or elephants to obey, everyone know that you
have to first command their attention. As hard as it sounds, I
personally believe that a single Sea Launced Tomahawk Missile armed
with a W80 nuclear warhead and aimed at the center of Dubai would
attract the attention on the entire Arab worl, and a single other
similarly warheaded Towhawk targeted at the center of Bagdhdad would
quickly settle that small tribal dispute.

Perhaps a demonstration of the power of the US is in order. Chevy
Chase has tough us never ever underestimate the value of a
demonstration.

Harry C.

Dersu Uzala

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:57 pm

Guest

In article <M7WdnYWq8dkhFDvanZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@comcast.com>, none@isp.com
says...

Quote:

In article
34dee4f5-ddbb-494a-b933-e266bfc29841@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
hhc314@yahoo.com says...

On Feb 3, 1:10=A0am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

I forgot to include this:

Iran Oil Bourse to deal blow to dollar
Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:45:41

The long-awaited Iranian Oil Bourse, a place for trading oil, petrochemicals
and gas in various non-dollar currencies, will soon open.

Iran’s Finance Minister Davoud Danesh-Jafari told reporters the bourse will be
inaugurated during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11)
at the latest.

“All preparations have been made to launch the bourse; it will open during the
Ten-Day Dawn (the ceremonies marking the victory of the 1979 Islamic
Revolution in Iran),” he said.

The Minister had earlier stated that the Oil Bourse is located on the Persian
Gulf island of Kish.

Some expert opinions hold inauguration of the bourse cold significantly
devalue the greenback.

Kirby M. Wilson

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:31 am

Guest

On Feb 4, 3:50 am, hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

On Feb 3, 11:25 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Feb 3, 7:57 pm, n...@isp.com (Dersu Uzala) wrote:

In article <M7WdnYWq8dkhFDvanZ2dnUVZ_uKpn...@comcast.com>, n...@isp.com
says...

In article
34dee4f5-ddbb-494a-b933-e266bfc29...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
hhc...@yahoo.com says...

On Feb 3, 1:10=A0am, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327588%2C00.html

Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances). How much shipping did you say goes on in that
stretch of water? Was the shown on the navigation charts, so ships
would be are of its presence (at 38-miles offshore, those little on
the shoreline signs that say "Cable Crossing, Do Not Anchor" would be
somewhat difficult to read).

Yeah, but two cables were cut in the Mediterranean, and two in the Persian
Gulf, all within a few days. Maybe someone doesn't want Iran to have access.

I forgot to include this:

Iran Oil Bourse to deal blow to dollar
Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:45:41

The long-awaited Iranian Oil Bourse, a place for trading oil, petrochemicals
and gas in various non-dollar currencies, will soon open.

Iran's Finance Minister Davoud Danesh-Jafari told reporters the bourse will be
inaugurated during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11)
at the latest.

"All preparations have been made to launch the bourse; it will open during the
Ten-Day Dawn (the ceremonies marking the victory of the 1979 Islamic
Revolution in Iran)," he said.

The Minister had earlier stated that the Oil Bourse is located on the Persian
Gulf island of Kish.

Some expert opinions hold inauguration of the bourse cold significantly
devalue the greenback.

Don't bother Harry CONover with facts.
The government and it's minions are his Gods.
"They would NEVER CONspire to do ANYTHING."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Probably right JW, since it take a consumate liar and con artist like
Stan Meyer to steal money from any other than the most ignorant people
in the US. How is it now that you, who dare to post to everyone else,
were so extremely so stupid to be scammed by Stan Meyer?

What the heck is it with you JW. You think that all of the readers to
this newsgroup arrived just last week, and don't know who you are.

Several of us here have been around for 5 or 10 years, and remember
you well, before you posted under different names. Don may want to
correct me on this bit of history, but as I seem to recall it, your
first started to post under the sig JW, then shifted to h20pwr, and
now whatever it is. Quite possibly some other false posting names in
between. As you are well aware, a majority of the respected posters
on this an other newsgroups posts using their real names, so
contacting them personally is relatively easy. We/they are not cowards
like you. Don Lancaster, Bill Ward, and most others post under their
real names and are demonstrably gentlemen who I would be pleased to
have dinner at home with my wife and family. I post under my real
name, but to avoid email spam, post using a fictictious email address.
(My real email address is hhc3...@yahoo.net, and my personal telephone
number is 978-256-6972.) I've been posting this contact information
for at least 8-years, but have yet to have one of you kooks contact me
by either email or over the phone. What a sorry lot!

Get a clue. By now you must be getting older, and maybe becoming a
bit forgetful, still just as stupid, remaining in denial to the fact
that hillbilly con man Stan Meyer was able to rip you off. Are you
still trying to defend that criminal bastard, Stan Meyer...for many it
heartburn that somebody did not actually poison that reprobate, or
simply shot him.

Harry C.

"Damn, it must be some terrible conspiracy at work, perhaps the the
Illuminati or the Jews! Lord knows that it could not have been a
simple accident caused by a ship anchor snagging a cable (which it is
in most instances)."

JW or H2pwr or knews4u2chew whatever, one thing he is consistently
nutty about everything - conspiracies, science, energy scams, tax
scams, Jews, - you name it. With that kind of world class paranoia
any wonder he can function. But then he does provide some newsgroup
entertainment

Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:26 am

On Feb 4, 12:50 am, hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

Now Harry will us his classic diversion tactic to NOT DENY what was
said above...

Quote:

Meyer's technology is proven.
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/index.php?sid=db12475327496042ca0e9a3fc5408be5
http://waterfuel.org
Ask Mr. Ward and Fred Krasner if they built the Meyr circuit I sent
them yet.
It's funny but I haven't heard SQUAT from either of them since I sent
it.

Quote:

What the heck is it with you JW. You think that all of the readers to
this newsgroup arrived just last week, and don't know who you are.

Doesn't matter who I am or JW is.

What matters is truth of which you know little.
Nice try at Strawman tactics though.

Quote:

Several of us here have been around for 5 or 10 years, and remember
you well, before you posted under different names. Don may want to
correct me on this bit of history, but as I seem to recall it, your
first started to post under the sig JW, then shifted to h20pwr, and
now whatever it is. Quite possibly some other false posting names in
between. As you are well aware, a majority of the respected posters

Respected?
Ahahahahaha!!!!!!
You're a HOOT Harry.

Quote:

on this an other newsgroups posts using their real names, so
contacting them personally is relatively easy. We/they are not cowards
like you. Don Lancaster, Bill Ward, and most others post under their
real names and are demonstrably gentlemen who I would be pleased to
have dinner at home with my wife and family.

Oh boy!!!
To be honored to sit at YOUR TABLE?
I offered to meet F. Krasner and he choked and them lied about it.

Quote:

I post under my real
name, but to avoid email spam, post using a fictictious email address.

So/
You are a fool in my opinion.

Quote:

(My real email address is hhc3...@yahoo.net, and my personal telephone
number is 978-256-6972.) I've been posting this contact information
for at least 8-years, but have yet to have one of you kooks contact me
by either email or over the phone. What a sorry lot!

You want to talk to me on the phone?

About what?
I'll send you a circuit diagram to build too.

Quote:

Get a clue. By now you must be getting older, and maybe becoming a
bit forgetful, still just as stupid, remaining in denial to the fact
that hillbilly con man Stan Meyer was able to rip you off.

Sorry.
Not true.
Even if I did give Meyer money it was speculative at best and lost to
the Powers that Be at worst. Meyer was too big a threat to their
CONTROL of ENERGY.
Meyer's work has been validated and is now being duplicated with even
more advanced technology that Meyer did not have.
His patents are running out and now it is public domain.
Sorry Harry.
You lies are legendary.
Anyone can read back thru your years of posts and deliberate
deceptions.

Quote:

Are you
still trying to defend that criminal bastard, Stan Meyer

Lies.
Was the $1 dollar fine a statement about his "egregious fraud?"

Quote:

...for many it
heartburn that somebody did not actually poison that reprobate, or
simply shot him.

Harry C.

Watch the News Harry.
New experimenters are building Meyer cells and retrofitting devices.
News should break in the next few months.
The power companies WANT IT NOW because they CAN'T KEEP POLLUTING THE
SHIT OUT OF THE PLANET. They cannot provide power and pay the
environmental fees any more.

Meyer's processes work and were verified by the U.S. and International
PATENT EXAMINERS.

35 U.S.C. 114 Models, specimens.
"The Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish a model of
convenient size to exhibit advantageously the several parts of his
invention. When the invention relates to a composition of matter, the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Commissioner may require the applicant to furnish specimens or
ingredients for the purpose of inspection or experiment."

Meyer's patents were granted under Sec 101 for the International PTO.
Meyer's processes work.
Like it or not because you can't fit it into your little pea brain
doesn't mean it doesn't work.
If Meyer was killed it was because he was going to begin manufacture
of devices.
I know where most of his final drawings and specifications are and
they will be released soon also.
Now hundreds of thousands of people will be able to build their own
because Meyer's patents are expiring.

Do the experiment Harry.
You are so smart.
Even you can do it.
Meyer's technique aws revealed 10 years ago right here THANKS TO JW's
POSTINGS.
Why DIDN'T YOU ever TAKE THE POSTER TO TASK ABOUT HIS RESULTS?
WHY DIDN'T YOU CONTACT HIM AND CORRESPOND AS JW DID TO FIND OUT MORE?

Subject: Re: Stanley Meyer's Court Case
From: "Ted Zettergren" <ted.zettergren@swipnet.se>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:59:28 +0100

John Feiereisen skrev i meddelandet <756atu$mkn
$1@client2.news.psi.net>...

Quote:

For those of you who are unfamiliar, Stanley Meyer patented some
equipment for fueling an IC engine with hydrogen. In addition to this
legitimate work, he claimed to be able decompose water into hydrogen
and oxygen with >100% thermal efficiency, thereby inventing a
"water-powered car". He sold "marketing rights" for this technology
to unsuspecting people, one of whom is a regular reader of s.e.h.

Back a couple years, a couple of his investors got wise to his scam
and took him to court, where Meyer was found guilty of "gross and
egregious fraud" and ordered to repay those 'investors'. As far as I
know, those were the only 'investors' who ever recouped their
'investment'. Meyer died earlier this year and his followers insist
he was poisoned (all good perpetual motion inventors are stalked by
THE CONSPIRACY).

After being found guilty of fraud, Meyer sent a long rambling letter
to the remainder of his 'investors', obviously hoping to ward off a
spate of trials which would have drained him of his ill-gotten gains.
It was replete with conspiracy paranoia and claimed that a recording
device in the courtroom was turned off so the judge (obviously working
under the direction of THE CONSPIRACY) could railroad Meyer into an
unjust guilty verdict.

As far as I know, Meyer's home base was Grove City, Ohio, and the
court case took place in Shelby county, Ohio. I am going to be
passing through Ohio in a couple weeks and Grove City is but 3 miles
off my planned route. I can pass through Shelby county with only
minor adjustment of my planned route through Indiana. I figured I'd
stop in at the courthouse and see if I can pick up copies of the
records of the trial.

Does anybody know precisely where and when the trial took place?
City, county, etc., date(s)??? Possibly an official case name?

Thanks.

VERY GOOD Mr. Feiereisen

Take a copy of the tape fromx that trial and put it on the Real Player
so we all can listen to what really happened in the Court.

The most interesting is to hear what the WFC Expert Witnesses and
Electrical Engineer Mathias Johanson has to say.

The first part of the trial started on Thursday/Friday, 1/2 February
1996 before Judge William Corzine III at the Common Pleas Court,
Chillicothe, Ohio.

By the way. If you like to do some experiment, try this.

AT FIRST:

You must know the difference between a chemical reaction and a
nuclear reaction. A lot of people don't understand that but they like
to argue a lot in every NG on Internet.

In a chemical reaction you need a lot of current and some salt for
making the water conductive.

In a nuclear reaction you don't need any current at all, only high
voltage. How much current you need in a real application depends
on how clean your water is. As cleaner as better.

Stanley Meyers method's have NOTHING to do with chemical
reactions.

HOW TO?

As a guide, you need US Patent 4,936,961 ref. figure 1 to 3F.

If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that.
It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred.
Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the
step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work
with. The components must resist at least 2000V.

The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes
with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer
diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this
Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.

The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific
frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.

Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and
the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the
same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is
energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal
to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.

Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen
producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make
hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current,
this experiment will really surprise you.

For even less current you can make some experiment with a
centertapped puls-transformer.

Have a nice trip to Ohio!

Ted!
<end experimenter's post>

It works because:
Comb's negative electrostatic charge field causes attraction of water
due to
difference in potential between them due to water's lower negative
charge.
There is also a potential scalar intereference going on here as well
between
the two.

And:
Someone PLEASE tell these morons that the CHARGE
of an electron is DISTINCT and SEPARATE from its MASS,
and that one can be applied without the other passing -
this is simple quantum physics, and is the basis of an entire branch
of science called scalar electrostatics, which is VERY REAL, and being
applied not only in Stan's devices, but elsewhere. The fact that these
morons don't know anything about it is no excuse fro their stupidity.
Electron CHARGE is capable of doing WORK without exchange of its MASS.
PERIOD.

Get a clue Harry before you drop dead.

Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:39 am

On Feb 4, 12:50 am, hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:

His typical diversions....

So they tell us to "connect the dots" unless they point at a
"conspiracy" by the Zionists of course.

Middle East Undersea
Cable Cutting A Zionist-NeoCon
Covert Operation?
By Dr. Richard Sauder, PhD
2-2-8

In the Middle East in the last three days, there have been several
undersea, international communications cables that have been cut. On
Wednesday, 30 January 2008, two major, undersea communications cables
were cut off the Egyptian coast, in the eastern Mediterranean. (1) The
story has received prominent play in the international news cycle.
Various explanations have been floated in the mainstream news media as
to the cause - the most popular culprit being a "ship anchor". In any
event, communications in the region have been severely disrupted, all
the way from Egypt to India, and most points in between.

Then on Friday, 1 February 2008, an undersea cable in the Persian
Gulf, running between Oman and Dubai, was also cut "causing severe
phone line disruptions and compounding an already existing Internet
outage across large parts of the Middle East and Asia" according to
the International Herald Tribune. (2)

There was also a report on Friday, 1 February 2008, of yet another
undersea, fiber optic communications cable between Suez and Sri Lanka
that has been cut. The reporting is a bit confused; however, given
that the Persian Gulf is geographically distant from the Suez, this
appears to represent a fourth undersea cable that has been cut. (3)

So let's see if we can figure this story out. I will say up front that
I am well and thoroughly skeptical of the "ship anchor" explanation
that has been so prominently advanced in the mainstream news media.
Yes, ships do sometimes drag their anchors and dragging anchors can
cause damage, true enough. But to have three undersea cables -- or is
it actually four cables? -- cut in the same region in just a two day
span, strains credulity; the more so, when we look at how the damage
has played out across the region.

Two countries in particular stand at conspicuously opposite ends of
the continuum of communications disruption.

1. The website, internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm, reports that as of
Friday, 1 February 2008, internet traffic routing through/from/to Iran
has been cut to zero. Packet loss is 100%. (4)

2. Whereas CNN reported on Thursday, 31 January 2008, that internet
traffic to Israel has been unaffected because Israel uses a "different
route". The same CNN article also reports that Lebanon and Iraq have
been "spared the chaos". (5)

So, the sudden, unprecedented round of undersea, communications cable
cutting in the Middle East leaves Israel and Iraq still connected,
while completely shutting down the Iranian internet.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

As it happens, the two actors in the international arena in recent
years whose rhetoric has expressed the most animus for Iran are the
United States and Israel. They have also been by far the most
bellicose, Zionist-NeoCon propaganda notwithstanding. Israel and the
United States have repeatedly committed military aggression against
other countries in the region, and have made many thinly veiled
threats of war against Iran. In this decade, the United States has
militarily invaded and occupied first Afghanistan, then Iraq, where
its forces remain, bogged down in bloody wars of attrition. In the
same period, Israel has bombed Syria, bombed and invaded Lebanon, and
placed the Palestinian territories under a merciless blockade/
occupation/assault. Parallel with these international war crimes, the
United States and Israel have repeatedly rattled their sabres against
Iran.

Which brings the discussion back around to the instant spate of
undersea, communications cable cutting in the region that has uniquely
brought Iranian internet communications to a complete halt, while
sparing Israel, which has a different internet route than any of the
cut cables, and Iraq, where the American military occupation is bogged
down.

As it happens, the U.S. Navy has for decades had special operations
teams that go out on submarines and deploy undersea, on the seabed
itself, specifically for cutting or tapping communications cables. The
U.S. Navy divers go out through special airlocks and use very
sophisticated equipment. This has all been thoroughly documented in
the excellent book, Blind Man's Bluff: The Untold Story of American
Submarine Espionage, by Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew (New York:
Public Affairs, 1998).

For the uninitiated it seems bizarre and unlikely, but the plain fact
of the matter is that American military divers really go out onto the
seabed from special submarines outfitted with airlocks and they
actually cut undersea communications cables-- then patch in
sophisticated surveillance equipment -- then they splice the cables
back together. That is if the motive is espionage. If the purpose of
the operation is garden variety sabotage, then simply cutting the
cable suffices. It's like something out of a spy novel thriller, but
the U.S. Navy really does have submarines and deep diving, special
operations personnel who specialize in precisely this sort of
operation. So cutting a few undersea cables in two or three days is
well within the operational capabilities of the United States Navy.
Couple this little known, but very important fact, with the reality
that for years now we have seen more and more ham-handed interference
with the global communications grid by the American alphabet soup
(NSA, CIA, FBI, HoSec) and major tel-comms. Would the tel-comms and
the American military and alphabet soup agencies collude on an
operation that had as its aim to sabotage the Iranian communications
network, even if that entailed collateral damage to other countries in
the region? The honest answer has to be: sure, maybe so. Who can
really tell? I mean, after all, we are living in a bizarro world now,
a world of big and bigger lies, a world of 24/7 propaganda, a world of
irrational and violent policies enacted against the civilian
population by multinational corporations and military and espionage
agencies the world over. We see the evidence for this on every hand.
Only the most myopic among us remain oblivious to these realities.
In light of the American Navy's demonstrated sea-floor capabilities
and espionage activities, the heavy American Navy presence in the
region, and the many veiled threats against Iran by both the Americans
and the Israelis, suspicion naturally falls on them both. It may be
that this is what the beginning of a war against Iran looks like. Or
maybe we are merely seeing a dry run, a practice run, for a planned,
upcoming war against Iran. The cables that have been cut are among the
largest communication pipes in the region, and clearly represent major
strategic targets.

Whatever the case, it is crystal clear that we are not looking at
business as usual. On the contrary, we are looking at distinctly
unusual business, that much is obvious.

The explanations being put forth in the mainstream news media for
these several cut, undersea communications cables absolutely do not
pass the smell test. And by the way, the same operators who cut
undersea cables in the Persian Gulf, Mediterranean Sea and possibly
the Suez as well, presumably can also cut underwater cables in the
Gulf of Mexico or Great Lakes or ... you see my point. This could be a
multipurpose operation, in part a test run for isolating a country
from the international communications grid. Iran today, the USA
tomorrow?

What's that you say? I don't understand how the world works? That kind
of thing can't happen here?

In any event, if the cables have been intentionally cut, then that is
an aggressive act of war. I'm sure the Iranians have gotten that
message, and are actively making counter preparations against a
possible imminent attack. I'm looking at the same telegram as they
are, and I know I would be, were I in their shoes.

References

(1) http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSL3026621820080130?sp=...

(2) http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/02/africa/ME-GEN-Mideast-Inter...

(3) http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20080201-000320-...

(4) http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm

(5) http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/01/31/dubai.outage/

Richard Sauder lives and works in San Antonio, Texas. He can be
contacted at dr_samiz...@yahoo.com

http://www.rense.com/general80/mid.htm

Kirby M. Wilson

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:37 pm

Guest

On Feb 4, 3:39 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

On Feb 4, 12:50 am, hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:

So they tell us to "connect the dots" unless they point at a
"conspiracy" by the Zionists of course.

http://www.rense.com/

"rense" !! obviously space aliens (disguised as jews) are blocking
electromagnetic ray beams in cables

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