"Dan Bloomquist" <public21@lakeweb.com> wrote in message
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Bob Eld wrote:
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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Bob Eld <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote:

US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your own
use,
in your basement.
Please site the law that says that.
It starts with Article 1, section 8 of the US constitution, and
continues
through Title 35, Part III, Chapter 28, Section 271, Paragraph (a) of
the US Code. Subsection (4) of Paragraph (d) says refusing to license
others, ie "shelving" is OK...

A patent grants a property right to the patent owner. "Trespassing"
without the owner's permission is illegal.

Nick


Nowhere in any of those documents does it say that it is illegal to
make
even one in your basement. Cite one case where tresspass law has been
applied to patents.

In Europe you can freely use patented material for non profit individual
use. In the U.S. the patent holder could litigate.

Cite one case where patent grantees have not had to
pursue their rights and claims in the civil courts to gain a remedy for
infringment.

Probably won't find one as the cost of litigation is not worth the minor
infringement.

Yep, the patent holder could litigate but the cost of litigation prevents
most trivial cases against minor infrignment. The point is that it is not
automatic nor is it a matter for criminal law, the district attorney or
even
the patent office to uphold a patent. They don't care who infringes on
whom,
it's up to the civil courts and only when a suit is filed.

Buy_Sell wrote:
You think that idea is great, have a look at this idea. Even NASA got
involved to help out with this project. These are commercially
available but it seems only for big industry. I envision this idea
being of use in every household across the planet. Can you image
getting steam heat from water in only 3 seconds by nothing more than
mechanical movement? It sounds impossible but do a bit of research
and you will see that this idea is for real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

They say it's a perpetuum mobile, an over-unity machine. If it is, why
don't they use it to produce and sell energy? If it isn't, it is a
totally stupid idea to run a machine just to make heat.

S.

You think that idea is great, have a look at this idea. Even NASA got
involved to help out with this project. These are commercially
available but it seems only for big industry. I envision this idea
being of use in every household across the planet. Can you image
getting steam heat from water in only 3 seconds by nothing more than
mechanical movement? It sounds impossible but do a bit of research
and you will see that this idea is for real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

On Mar 1, 3:57 am, Sevenhundred Elves <sevenhund...@elves.invalid
wrote:
Buy_Sell wrote:
You think that idea is great, have a look at this idea. Even NASA got
involved to help out with this project. These are commercially
available but it seems only for big industry. I envision this idea
being of use in every household across the planet. Can you image
getting steam heat from water in only 3 seconds by nothing more than
mechanical movement? It sounds impossible but do a bit of research
and you will see that this idea is for real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

They say it's a perpetuum mobile, an over-unity machine. If it is, why
don't they use it to produce and sell energy? If it isn't, it is a
totally stupid idea to run a machine just to make heat.

S.

I think that the point was that it was an extremely efficient method
of producing hot water. There is a global requirement for being able
to produce hot water more economically, so it might not seem so stupid
after all.

As for the economy of the thing, consider this: The machine has to be

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
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Bob Eld <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote:

US code says it's strictly illegal to make even one, for your
own
use,
in your basement.

Please site the law that says that.

It starts with Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution, and
continues
through Title 35, Part III, Chapter 28, Section 271, Paragraph
(a) of
the US Code. Subsection (4) of Paragraph (d) says refusing to
license
others, ie "shelving" is OK...

A patent grants a property right to the patent owner.
"Trespassing"
without the owner's permission is illegal.

... Cite one case where tresspass law has been applied to patents.

No thanks. I'd rather argue with people who can spell :-)

Nick

Ha! Gotcha....Can't do it can ya.

Buy_Sell wrote:

You think that idea is great, have a look at this idea. Even NASA
got
involved to help out with this project. These are commercially
available but it seems only for big industry. I envision this idea
being of use in every household across the planet. Can you image
getting steam heat from water in only 3 seconds by nothing more
than
mechanical movement? It sounds impossible but do a bit of research
and you will see that this idea is for real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

They say it's a perpetuum mobile, an over-unity machine. If it is,
why
don't they use it to produce and sell energy? If it isn't, it is a
totally stupid idea to run a machine just to make heat.

S.

comes down to a patented concept that could do so much good to reduce the
increasing need for energy in heating and cooling homes, I sometimes
wonder
if the greater good would not be served by some public or private program
to
compensate the inventors and release it to the general public.