Hi Jim;

jim <jim@home.net> wrote:

Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient
homes. And, as a fellow inventor, I understand the use
of patents quite well. But, when it comes down to a
patented concept that could do so much good to reduce
the increasing need for energy in heating and cooling
homes, I sometimes wonder if the greater good would not
be served by some public or private program to
compensate the inventors and release it to the general
public.

http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx

The Enertia patent has long ago expired, if one was ever
sought. Anyone can use the designs now as they are in the
public domain..

jim

Duane

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Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient
homes. And, as a fellow inventor, I understand the use
of patents quite well. But, when it comes down to a
patented concept that could do so much good to reduce
the increasing need for energy in heating and cooling
homes, I sometimes wonder if the greater good would not
be served by some public or private program to
compensate the inventors and release it to the general
public.

http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx

jim

The Enertia patent has long ago expired, if one was ever
sought. Anyone can use the designs now as they are in the
public domain..

Eamils to them lead me to believe it was still patented, but a quick
search of the uspto reveals that you are right. Nothing shows up under
Enertia at all.

Thanks.

jim

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Hi Jim;

jim <jim@home.net> wrote:

Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient
homes. And, as a fellow inventor, I understand the use
of patents quite well. But, when it comes down to a
patented concept that could do so much good to reduce
the increasing need for energy in heating and cooling
homes, I sometimes wonder if the greater good would not
be served by some public or private program to
compensate the inventors and release it to the general
public.

http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx

The Enertia patent has long ago expired, if one was ever
sought. Anyone can use the designs now as they are in the
public domain..

jim

Duane

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GeekBoy <nerd_reve...@nerdyfive.net> wrote:
... patents are for keeping people from copying and
reselling the ideas. Not from using it for your own use.

Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
without the patentholder's permission.

Nick

... patents are for keeping people from copying and
reselling the ideas. Not from using it for your own use.

GeekBoy <nerd_revenge@nerdyfive.net> wrote:

... patents are for keeping people from copying and
reselling the ideas. Not from using it for your own use.

Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
without the patentholder's permission.

... It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
without the patentholder's permission.

As I understand it, enforcement is a civil matter and left
up to the patent holder. This means that while it's illegal
to make and use it privately, it's usually unlikely that
the patent holder would ever find out.

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:

GeekBoy <nerd_revenge@nerdyfive.net> wrote:

... patents are for keeping people from copying and
reselling the ideas. Not from using it for your own use.

Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
without the patentholder's permission.

As I understand it, enforcement is a civil matter and
left up to the patent holder. This means that while
it's illegal to make and use it privately, it's usually
unlikely that the patent holder would ever find out.

Anthony

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

... It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
without the patentholder's permission.

As I understand it, enforcement is a civil matter and left
up to the patent holder. This means that while it's illegal
to make and use it privately, it's usually unlikely that
the patent holder would ever find out.

With likely minimal damages, in the event of a suit.

Nick

GeekBoy <nerd_reve...@nerdyfive.net> wrote:
... patents are for keeping people from copying and
reselling the ideas. Not from using it for your own use.

Nope. It's illegal to "make, use, or sell" even one copy
without the patentholder's permission.

Nick

Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient homes. And, as a
fellow inventor, I understand the use of patents quite well. But, when it
comes down to a patented concept that could do so much good to reduce the
increasing need for energy in heating and cooling homes, I sometimes wonder
if the greater good would not be served by some public or private program to
compensate the inventors and release it to the general public.

http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx

jim

As a now global civilization we are coming to the point
where our very survival will depend upon the technology
that is currently locked up in patents.

Many of these are not being used for many different reasons.
Inventors tend to want to do it all themselves so they hold
on tight to their patents even though most of them never
find the capitol to implement them.

If a technology is a threat to an existing large industry
it is often bought out and then shelved simply because
they have already invested billions in the old technology.

The military and spy agencies often buy out and classify
inventions that could revolutionize particular industries
and sometimes the world. By so doing, The often retard the
development of the state of the art for decades.

Governmental organizations tend to use a patent that has
a broad range of potential applications for a single
application and then forgets about it.

Even the few technologies that make it to market are often
applied in such a narrow way or on such a small scale
as to have little or no impact. What a waste!!!

Another way current patent law hurts the greater good is
that applications that require multiple patented technologies
are often impossible to implement because of either high
legal overhead or the fact that many patent holders often
want it all and/or just won't play ball. Patents are often
not commercializable on their own or are better when be
couple with other patented technologies.

If we are to survive we need to be able to use something
like eminent domain to open up energy technology to everyone,
or have an "if you don't use it you loose it" policy for all
patents.

Also patent hoarding for "premium" markets should not be
allowed.

Anything that is not mass produced for public consumption
should be opened up to competition.

When that happens however, the patent holders should get
paid a % off the back end.

We need to wake up and recognize that the simplistic
technology ownership dynamics of yesteryear no longer work
in a rapidly evolving global techiculture.

PS. I could not get your link to work.

On Jan 26, 9:00 pm, "jim" <j...@home.net> wrote:

Here's a great idea for building more energy-efficient homes.
And, as a fellow inventor, I understand the use of patents
quite well. But, when it comes down to a patented concept
that could do so much good to reduce the increasing need for
energy in heating and cooling homes, I sometimes wonder if the
greater good would not be served by some public or private
program to compensate the inventors and release it to the
general public.

http://www.enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx

jim

As a now global civilization we are coming to the point where our
very survival will depend upon the technology that is currently locked
up in patents. Many of these are not being used for many different
reasons.