Well, I put my foot in my mouth. Myself, I am not a herder. However everyone
I talk to did have theirs chipped. The coverage rate for this county was
pretty through. Most everybody was under the impression it was mandatory.
Just goes to show how sheepish people are. The general reaction when told to
by the county agent was you do what they say you have to. Despite what the
site says the chipping was free and done by the county agent. Basicly the
county agent would say the law requires your animal chipped I'll be out
tuesday and the responce would be OK.

Oh well, they always start voluntary



Once again, should I just go ahead and file this beside your
contention that no humans have contracted H5N1?

Concider this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_and_infection_of_H5N1
Because migratory birds are among the carriers of the H5N1 virus it may
spread to all parts of the world
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_spread_of_H5N1
Highly pathogenic H5N1 has been found in birds in the wild in numerous other
countries:

H5N1 has low pathogenic varieties endemic in birds in North America. H5N1
has a highly pathogenic variety that is endemic in dozens of species of
birds throughout south Asia and is threatening to become endemic in birds in
west Asia and Africa.

October 2004 researchers discovered H5N1 is far more dangerous than
previously believed because waterfowl, especially ducks, were directly
spreading the highly pathogenic strain of H5N1 to chickens, crows, pigeons,
and other birds

By April 2006 scientists had concluded that containment had failed due to
the role of wild birds in transmitting the virus
-----------------------------------------------------

So why are they slaughtering the chickens of these poor people when it is in
the wild birds around them? It is not for containment.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Has for human cases. I went by all the links in the thread which did not
list any human cases. I erred in basing my statements on the supplied links
and not doing my own research. That being said I still stand by the statment
that human cases are too few to be statisticaly significant. The humans
exposed is at least in the hundreds of millions if not billions and they
have 80 cases a year. If they are not clinical errors then they may be no
more than finding what has always been around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_spread_of_H5N1
A highly pathogenic strain of H5N1 caused flu outbreaks with significant
spread to numerous farms, resulting in great economic losses in 1959 in
Scotland

It appears a case of finding what you look for.

I think there is a little concern of this morphing over to a human virus.

Wrong.
There is plenty of concern.

However, from what I've heard from people in the know, there is a greater
concern over having this spread to US poultry. Same basic concerns that
there was for "mad cow". It could decimate a good chunk of the food
supply
if it came stateside.

But even for the folks in that field, this is not a top priority concern.


I guess they want to help reduce world population?

Yes, a possibility exists and maybe a asteroid will wipe out mankind or a
valcano will cause a multi year winter with mass starvation.

When you have been around long enough you will see a pattern. Every year
is the year of the killer flu. Rush. Rush. Rush down and pay for a shot in
the arm. Every year there is a shortage of vaccine and the price is up.
Every year the "killer" flu fails to happen. It got old for me a decade or
two ago. But you are younger and not yet bored.

"Lavelock" <lavelock@hotmail.com> wrote
Yes, a possibility exists and maybe a asteroid will wipe out mankind or a
valcano will cause a multi year winter with mass starvation.



The asteroid or volcano thing would make ol' Al's "global warming" movie
look loke a comedy.

There we'll be in bone chilling -60o weather wondering where "global
warming" went.






When you have been around long enough you will see a pattern. Every year
is the year of the killer flu. Rush. Rush. Rush down and pay for a shot in
the arm. Every year there is a shortage of vaccine and the price is up.
Every year the "killer" flu fails to happen. It got old for me a decade or
two ago. But you are younger and not yet bored.



"KILLER HEAT WAVE GRIPS CHICAGO!!"
"1 dead in 106o heat wave"

The caption has to be salesworthy.

knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ab1c4584-7af4-4608-81b9->> I
think there is a little concern of this morphing over to a human virus.

Wrong.
There is plenty of concern.


Yes, a possibility exists and maybe a asteroid will wipe out mankind or a
valcano will cause a multi year winter with mass starvation.

When you have been around long enough you will see a pattern. Every year is
the year of the killer flu. Rush. Rush. Rush down and pay for a shot in the
arm. Every year there is a shortage of vaccine and the price is up. Every
year the "killer" flu fails to happen. It got old for me a decade or two
ago. But you are younger and not yet bored.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:01:40 -0600, "Lavelock" <lavelock@hotmail.com
wrote:

Don't sweat it. It's really not a big deal except it might make
people want to verify things that you post as a fact without a cite.

Partial containment and ensuring that infected birds aren't sold to
the market.

While the spread of H5N1 by migratory birds is a cause of financial
concern, there is also a concern that it may mutate into a virus that
is easily spread between humans.

So, to be means watching out for any early signs of mutation and
having the logistics in place to take care of me and mine.

To each their own. Who knows, mabey you will get lucky and I'll have
prepared for something that didn't happen. Keeping enough extra food
in the pantry to keep us going for awhile doesn't cost a thing.

Well then we can take diabetes.
4000 people a day get it.
250,000 a year die from it.
That is right off tonights evening news.
They do call it an "epidemic."

You are an idiot. google "flu 1918" 40-100 millions deaths. moron.

"Bob Brock" <bbrock@i-americia.net> wrote in message
news:3c0gp3hkam2mh5efg1oahse9hqectu64q4@4ax.com...
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:01:40 -0600, "Lavelock" <lavelock@hotmail.com
wrote:

Don't sweat it. It's really not a big deal except it might make
people want to verify things that you post as a fact without a cite.


Ah, generousity in victory.

Partial containment and ensuring that infected birds aren't sold to
the market.


Since the price of chicken was stated as droping by something like 75
percent in the region and people who normaly could not buy chicken were
eating it, then they would appear to have totaly failed in their goal.
Farmers are simply selling their birds before they are killed. So
containment and keeping the birds off the market better not have been their
goel or they need to be fired. Do note none of the links have listed a
single human infection. The goverment of the region is saying human
infection is historicly a non issue and we don't want our farmers bankrupted
over fantasies. I have read nothing to counter their stand.

While the spread of H5N1 by migratory birds is a cause of financial
concern, there is also a concern that it may mutate into a virus that
is easily spread between humans.


I have been listening to that line every year for decades. It's gonna
mutate. It's gonna mutate. Like the boy who cried wolf their words stopped
meaning anything to me a decade or two ago. It's like the ones talking about
the Yellowstone Volcano erupting and wipping out the US, not something you
loose sleep over.

So, to be means watching out for any early signs of mutation and
having the logistics in place to take care of me and mine.

Watching mutations that don't happen and killer viruses that don't spread
get's kinda old after awhile. Trust me after you worry about the first few
dozen that don't happen despite all the headlines you will get bored with
it.

To each their own. Who knows, mabey you will get lucky and I'll have
prepared for something that didn't happen. Keeping enough extra food
in the pantry to keep us going for awhile doesn't cost a thing.

What does storing food have to do with a killer virus wiping out the
mankind?

Maybe I'll get lucky? Maybe what did not happen the last 20 times the
headlines screamed we were doomed will not happen this time? That's not luck
it's a proven track record.

Maybe I'll get lucky? Maybe what did not happen the last 20 times the
headlines screamed we were doomed will not happen this time? That's not luck
it's a proven track record.

Kind of like if someone misses you with the first three shots, you
don't have to worry about it because the trend is in your favor.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:15:51 -0500, Bob Brock <bbrock@i-americia.net
wrote:

Maybe I'll get lucky? Maybe what did not happen the last 20 times the
headlines screamed we were doomed will not happen this time? That's not luck
it's a proven track record.

Kind of like if someone misses you with the first three shots, you
don't have to worry about it because the trend is in your favor.

50% of the people who have my problem, don't make it to the 5 year
mark. In fact, quite a large number don't make it to the 18 month
mark. 50% of that 50% don't make it to the Emergency Room alive.

The reason I have exceeded expectations is precisely because I took
the situation as seriously as my doctors did, and had a surgical heart
implant, along with stents and medications. Lacking these, I no doubt
would already be dead.

I take it lavelock is just young and stupid. Two sides of the same
coin. If he is our age, he is then just senile.

The lesson is: anything can kill you, at any time. Anything at all.
Life is a crap shoot. Sooner or later, lavelock's dice are going to
come up snake eyes. I would love to see the look on his face when
they do.

The reason I have exceeded expectations is precisely because I took
the situation as seriously as my doctors did, and had a surgical heart
implant, along with stents and medications. Lacking these, I no doubt
would already be dead.

I take it lavelock is just young and stupid. Two sides of the same
coin. If he is our age, he is then just senile.

Sooner or later, lavelock's dice are going to
come up snake eyes. I would love to see the look on his face when
they do.

Lg

Yeah, I know the feeling. My wife's condition has an 80 percent 10
year mortality rate. But hey, someone has to be in that 20 percent
right?

"Lawrence Gllickman" <Lawrence_Glickman@comcast.net> wrote in message
The reason I have exceeded expectations is precisely because I took
the situation as seriously as my doctors did, and had a surgical heart
implant, along with stents and medications. Lacking these, I no doubt
would already be dead.


Please tell me you did not get one of those automatic defibulaters they are
pushing on victims nowadays. LOL. My mother was one of the first test cases
to be screwed by them long ago.

From what you said you got what is known as insuranced to death. You should
read "Left for dead" by Dick Quinn. His story of how he went from bed ridden
with failed bypass to basicly normal the next day. It was very amusing back
when I had heart problems. However his method is to hot for me.

My email adress is lavelock@hotmail.com

From your post you have high cholesterol with the same thing clogging your
arteries. If that is true you have a $25 dollar problem. It is a side effect
of gallstones you can buy stuff at the store for gallstones and the whole
thing goes away. Takes maybe a month for your cholesteral levels to drop to
normal and 3 months for the arteries to clear. Suspend your disbelief and
test me. I'll pay you to.

Send me a mailing address (ie. PO box) and I will send you a $25 dollar
check and tell you how to do to make it all go away.

If you are paranoid then email me and I'll send you my PO box number and you
can send me a sase. The worst you can do is make $25 and laugh at my nievte.
It is worth it to be able to say I told you so.


I take it lavelock is just young and stupid. Two sides of the same
coin. If he is our age, he is then just senile.

This is half the reason I make my offer. When I say I belive in modern
medicine I mean it with all my heart and soul. But my definition is totaly
different from yours.


Sooner or later, lavelock's dice are going to
come up snake eyes. I would love to see the look on his face when
they do.

Lg

My dice came up snake eyed in hell. Your worst would have been my good days.
I had the shell in my shotgun to end it. Then God proved all I knew was a
lie. In 3 weeks my life and beliefs changed. Though the heart disease cure
was much later. I had alot worse health problems.

Take the money. Laugh at me. Tell jokes. In the middle of the bad you will
wonder if I was right. Maybe. Just Maybe, you will test me. Then you will
know.

Look the whole method is

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp

http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/liver_cleanses.php

The Dr. Clark Method is over the top but the epsom salts then olive oil
method allows you to take your gallstones to your doctor and prove you are
getting what she says.

All that is realy needed is avoid fatty foods, skip dinner, drink 1/2 cup of
olive oil at bed time and lay on your back for a half hour. Two or 3 times
a month for up to 4 months. I just learned to liked the taste of grapfruit
juice and olive oil from the Clark method, eventualy. Yeah, eventualy.

Why does it work?

Arterialsclerosis is solid cholesterol build up in your arteries due to lack
of fiber in the diet and few other factors.

Gallstones are solid balls of cholesterol that your body produces in your
gallbladder due to lack of fiber in your diet. Can you see the link? When
you keep doing the gallstone cleanse your body keeps making more
gallstones till you run out of extra cholesterol. I went from scared to walk
to the mail box because of chest pains to being able to run till my legs
gave out with out having chest pains in 3 months. I did it ten years ago.
The heart problem along with cold hands and feet never came back.

I am going to take you up on your offer. For Real.