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| AZ Nomad |
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:29:08 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon <Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:22:03 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:45:46 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon
Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:13:35 -0800, P. Maffia wrote:
The Village Idiot, Knews4u returns with his usual drivel.
How does that statement disprove knews4u2chew's posting? Unless you
provide some counter argument your contradiction has no weight and your
ad hominum brands you as a troll.
250 lines snipped
If you see dogshit on the ground, do you have to taste it to know that it
is dogshit?
I've checked a few of K4U's postings when he first started and it is all
bullshit. At first, readers went to the trouble to argue them and K4U's
reaction is just to repost the same garbage over and over. After a while,
one doesn't even bother reading K4U crap. Just knowing that K4U posted is
enough to know that it is crap.
Even George Bush is occasionally right.
In this instance K4U's assertion is right and the contradiction wrong.
Why did you snip the evidence?
Sometimes dogshit is just dogshit. |
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| Curly Surmudgeon |
| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:54 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:43:32 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:29:08 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon
Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:22:03 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:45:46 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon
Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:13:35 -0800, P. Maffia wrote:
The Village Idiot, Knews4u returns with his usual drivel.
How does that statement disprove knews4u2chew's posting? Unless you
provide some counter argument your contradiction has no weight and your
ad hominum brands you as a troll.
250 lines snipped
If you see dogshit on the ground, do you have to taste it to know that
it is dogshit?
I've checked a few of K4U's postings when he first started and it is
all bullshit. At first, readers went to the trouble to argue them and
K4U's reaction is just to repost the same garbage over and over. After
a while, one doesn't even bother reading K4U crap. Just knowing that
K4U posted is enough to know that it is crap.
Even George Bush is occasionally right.
In this instance K4U's assertion is right and the contradiction wrong.
Why did you snip the evidence?
Sometimes dogshit is just dogshit.
Not an answer, evidence supporting the proposition was offered then
dismissed without cause. That says that you simply don't want people to
look at facts and prefer they listen to your slurs.
Facts support this posting by Knews4U2chew.
-- Regards, Curly
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| Lavelock |
| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:21 pm |
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<knews4u2chew@yahoo.com>
I find it a sad day when I agree with such loony sounding drivel. To be
honest you don't go far enough. Things are much worse.
I will include this link to a economist who predicted the fall of the USSR
10 years before it happened and the year it would happen. He is always
talking about things months and years before they happen. His track record
is astounding. Lyndon LaRouche. Totaly nuts but his perdictions never fail.
He says we are in 1928. Remember the stock market crash of 1929? It started
in 28. He says ours started 6 months ago. The great depression is a few
months away. I have never caught the guy in a error.
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/index.html
On Citigroup:
Citigroup alone had $34 trillion in outstanding derivatives contracts
http://www.larouchepub.com/hzl/2007/3449finance_system.html
As utterly impossible as that sounds I have never seen the guy wrong in
these kind of things. He did a report on the obligations of the top 10 US
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| Bill Ward |
| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:35 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:22:03 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:45:46 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon
Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:13:35 -0800, P. Maffia wrote:
The Village Idiot, Knews4u returns with his usual drivel.
How does that statement disprove knews4u2chew's posting? Unless you
provide some counter argument your contradiction has no weight and your
ad hominum brands you as a troll.
250 lines snipped
If you see dogshit on the ground, do you have to taste it to know that it
is dogshit?
I've checked a few of K4U's postings when he first started and it is all
bullshit. At first, readers went to the trouble to argue them and K4U's
reaction is just to repost the same garbage over and over. After a while,
one doesn't even bother reading K4U crap. Just knowing that K4U posted is
enough to know that it is crap.
He's useful that way, like a compass that always points south. |
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| Curly Surmudgeon |
| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:24 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:21:07 -0600, Lavelock wrote:
Quote:
knews4u2chew@yahoo.com
I find it a sad day when I agree with such loony sounding drivel. To be
honest you don't go far enough. Things are much worse.
I will include this link to a economist who predicted the fall of the USSR
10 years before it happened and the year it would happen. He is always
talking about things months and years before they happen. His track record
is astounding. Lyndon LaRouche. Totaly nuts but his perdictions never
fail. He says we are in 1928. Remember the stock market crash of 1929? It
started in 28. He says ours started 6 months ago. The great depression is
a few months away. I have never caught the guy in a error.
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/index.html
On Citigroup:
Citigroup alone had $34 trillion in outstanding derivatives contracts
http://www.larouchepub.com/hzl/2007/3449finance_system.html
As utterly impossible as that sounds I have never seen the guy wrong in
these kind of things. He did a report on the obligations of the top 10 US
banks and their dedt is beyond belief.
That's my point, most assertions must be considered uniquely and
objectively. The orgiinal poster, LaRouch and even Pat Buchanan are
amazingly accurate at times.
In this case the OP seems dead on.
-- Regards, Curly
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:49 am |
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The 2008 system is only breaking because of the incest populated swarm
of such infomercial spewing rusemastes doing their MI5/CIA infowar
jobs, just like they did on behalf of supporting their other warlord
puppet, Hitler, and before then it was those nice Romans. (apparently
these folks never learn from their own mistakes)
To tell the truth, there is simply no question as to the orchestrated
efforts by those in charge, towards sustaining the official gauntlet
of topic/author stalking, bashings and/or imposing as much banishment
as possible against those of us sharing the best available truths.
There is also no question as to the orchestrated conspiracy of those
in charge of keeping various lids on tight, such as their having been
rejecting everything outside of their NASA Quran about Venus, and
especially tough with any regard to our moon as being 100% taboo/
nondisclosure rated, and it's only getting worse yet for merely
contemplating the usage of our moon's L1, and otherwise forbid using
Venus L2.
NASA's swarm like borg collective mindset, via uplink.space.com and of
most all the essential Usenet and media worthy groups, are very much
included within the scope of this often faith-based conspiracy to
defraud upon physics and science integrity, often by way of merely
excluding evidence, with the intent as to insure only their side of
any given argument/rant gets any credits for all the good stuff and
thereby receives whatever public attention and funding. We also have
to include an honorable mention as to those folks of pretend atheism,
mostly because of their swarm like actions being so unusually Old
Testament or otherwise Zionist faith-based cult like imposed upon
blocking and/or diverting such change or revisions of most any kind,
especially if there's any remote chance of outsiders suggesting their
God, creator or puppet warlord had anything whatsoever to do with any
other planet or moon..
This officially imposed gauntlet of such a brown-nosed clownism
infested infowar and disinformation tactic is certainly not new or
exclusive to the likes of our NASA or of their Skull and Bones cult,
but it's certainly having been put to the full test each and every
time I've shared an honestly deductive thought, of any subjective
interpretation as to whatever's existing/coexisting on Venus, as only
intelligent other life could represent is automatically rejected
because such notions would make their supposed expertise seem
inadequate if not fraudulent.
In order for this other intelligent life to have survived Venus, it is
not required of any such intelligent life being interplanetary
capable, or even into having radio/microwave technology, whereas the
lack of either or both of those capabilities would have no direct
impact upon others as most likely unlike us humans, as having managed
to survive upon Venus. This is also not imposing any requirement of
purely natural evolution being the one and only option, as fully
complex species via panspermia, and even by way of intelligent design
is perfectly doable and even within the scope by way of our somewhat
primitive Earth standards of getting our stuff to other off-world
places. So, we don't have to insist upon there having been Venusian
locals of purely the natural evolutionary kind, although the ability
of complex DNA/RNA to adapt in order to survive is well known to
exist, as even here on Earth where such highly complex life has been
surviving for millions of years longer than humanity, and within the
most dreadful of places impossible for us humans to survive in the
buff is the well accepted norm.
BTW, I'd started ranting about the use of a CO2 HVAC system within the
Venus toasty environment as of 8 years ago and counting (except w/o
the "H" because only cooling is required), and to think that it wasn't
even my idea to start with since CO2 refrigeration had been well
established by others as of a good century before. Essentially a
Stirling thermal conversion process of such CO2 refrigeration is all
it takes, and otherwise via conventional compressor there's no
shortage of dry CO2 or the local energy that's fully renewable while
on Venus.
So, don't even kid yourself by whatever's being said and/or imposed
against those of us thinking and openly sharing outside the mostly
faith-based mainstream status quo box, because we're not the bad guys
here.
.. - Brad Guth
On Jan 8, 10:16 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: http://www.kitco.com/ind/willie/jan032008.html
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The year 2008 will be the year that THINGS JUST PLAIN BREAK. It will
be a truly deadly year, unavoidably lethal to the USEconomy and
especially to the US banking sector. Nothing has been repaired. Some
tangible solutions will be offered in the next section, all legitimate
in a real world. However, we do NOT live in a real world, but rather
in a Fairy Tale world of US Hegemony and Wall Street with a choke hold
around the US entire system. Managed inflation is the policy never to
be reversed, until total breakdown occurs. Treason is rampant, called
simply Power Games. All attempts so far are to shore up the existing
system, to enable Wall Street to sell as much of their damaged asset
backed bonds to suckers, and to avoid international lawsuits against
Wall Street firms. In 2008, an alarming sequence is assured of
enormous damage that puts the entire US economic and financial system
in a perilous situation. The powers survived the end of 2007, with
heavy usage of band aids, rubber bands, and paper clips, but reality
continues to itemize a relentless sequence of unfixable, tragic,
intractable problems. The pressure points are big banks suffering from
insolvency, prime mortgage bonds destined for massive losses,
consumers without kitties to rob to keep spending, a worsening housing
market from chronic inventory bloat, and deepening problems in the
lending industry frozen from insolvency and distrust. Pitch in a
global resentment of US fraud and heavy handed tactics, especially
from the last couple decades.
What a prospect! Almost all of Wall Street firms are bankrupt, but
still in control of the financial media. Citigroup is dead in the
water,
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:56 am |
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On Jan 10, 3:21 pm, "Lavelock" <lavel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: knews4u2c...@yahoo.com
I find it a sad day when I agree with such loony sounding drivel. To be
honest you don't go far enough. Things are much worse.
I will include this link to a economist who predicted the fall of the USSR
10 years before it happened and the year it would happen. He is always
talking about things months and years before they happen. His track record
is astounding. Lyndon LaRouche. Totaly nuts but his perdictions never fail.
He says we are in 1928. Remember the stock market crash of 1929? It started
in 28. He says ours started 6 months ago. The great depression is a few
months away. I have never caught the guy in a error.
http://www.larouchepub.com/eirtoc/index.html
On Citigroup:
Citigroup alone had $34 trillion in outstanding derivatives contracts
http://www.larouchepub.com/hzl/2007/3449finance_system.html
As utterly impossible as that sounds I have never seen the guy wrong in
these kind of things. He did a report on the obligations of the top 10 US
banks and their dedt is beyond belief.
Lots of nice and honest folks with good enough expertise and
intentions have been saying the same sorts of things for the past
decade, if not longer (including myself).
But then we've got our trusty resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) to thank
for most of the ongoing fiasco that's so bloody and spendy in far more
ways than touted by his minion administration of brown-nosed liars.
- Brad Guth |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:00 pm |
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On Jan 8, 10:16 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: http://www.kitco.com/ind/willie/jan032008.html
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The year 2008 will be the year that THINGS JUST PLAIN BREAK. It will
be a truly deadly year, unavoidably lethal to the USEconomy and
especially to the US banking sector. Nothing has been repaired. Some
tangible solutions will be offered in the next section, all legitimate
in a real world. However, we do NOT live in a real world, but rather
in a Fairy Tale world of US Hegemony and Wall Street with a choke hold
around the US entire system. Managed inflation is the policy never to
be reversed, until total breakdown occurs. Treason is rampant, called
simply Power Games. All attempts so far are to shore up the existing
system, to enable Wall Street to sell as much of their damaged asset
backed bonds to suckers, and to avoid international lawsuits against
Wall Street firms. In 2008, an alarming sequence is assured of
enormous damage that puts the entire US economic and financial system
in a perilous situation. The powers survived the end of 2007, with
heavy usage of band aids, rubber bands, and paper clips, but reality
continues to itemize a relentless sequence of unfixable, tragic,
intractable problems. The pressure points are big banks suffering from
insolvency, prime mortgage bonds destined for massive losses,
consumers without kitties to rob to keep spending, a worsening housing
market from chronic inventory bloat, and deepening problems in the
lending industry frozen from insolvency and distrust. Pitch in a
global resentment of US fraud and heavy handed tactics, especially
from the last couple decades.
What a prospect! Almost all of Wall Street firms are bankrupt, but
still in control of the financial media. Citigroup is dead in the
water,
snip
As the cracks in the damn get bigger and bigger.
How long can the "plunge protection team" keep their fingers in the
hole?
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080111/wall_street.html?.v=40 |
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| AZ Nomad |
| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:08 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:54:20 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon <Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:43:32 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:29:08 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon
Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:22:03 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:45:46 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon
Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:13:35 -0800, P. Maffia wrote:
The Village Idiot, Knews4u returns with his usual drivel.
How does that statement disprove knews4u2chew's posting? Unless you
provide some counter argument your contradiction has no weight and your
ad hominum brands you as a troll.
250 lines snipped
If you see dogshit on the ground, do you have to taste it to know that
it is dogshit?
I've checked a few of K4U's postings when he first started and it is
all bullshit. At first, readers went to the trouble to argue them and
K4U's reaction is just to repost the same garbage over and over. After
a while, one doesn't even bother reading K4U crap. Just knowing that
K4U posted is enough to know that it is crap.
Even George Bush is occasionally right.
In this instance K4U's assertion is right and the contradiction wrong.
Why did you snip the evidence?
Sometimes dogshit is just dogshit.
Not an answer, evidence supporting the proposition was offered then
dismissed without cause. That says that you simply don't want people to
look at facts and prefer they listen to your slurs.
Facts support this posting by Knews4U2chew.
No they don't. Just to appease you, I wasted my time by going to back to the
original spew and it is bullshit, just as I expected.
Let's start with the assertion that most wall street firms are bankrupt.
Pick a random sample of a hundred firms, and post your selection and
the percentage that are bankrupt. I'd be surprised if 1% are. Certainly
not 51% or more.
Until you back up your claim that the OP isn't garbage, I'll file you along
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| BradGuth |
| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:19 pm |
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On Jan 11, 2:00 pm, knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
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As the cracks in the damn get bigger and bigger.
How long can the "plunge protection team" keep their fingers in the
hole?http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080111/wall_street.html?.v=40
As long as our hard earned loot holds out.
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| Curly Surmudgeon |
| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:14 pm |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:08:58 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
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Quote: Until you back up your claim that the OP isn't garbage, I'll file you along
side K4U as a bullshitter.
You began the judgment without a single factoid. Now that I've called you
on it it is your responsibility to disprove, not mine to throw more
evidence out for veto. Your neocon games of denial no longer work.
Nor is it necessary to agree with every assertion or claim as long as I
concur with the subject.
The economy is in meltdown and I don't care whether you believe it or not.
-- Regards, Curly
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| AZ Nomad |
| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:32 pm |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:14:38 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon <Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:08:58 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
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Until you back up your claim that the OP isn't garbage, I'll file you along
side K4U as a bullshitter.
You began the judgment without a single factoid. Now that I've called you
on it it is your responsibility to disprove, not mine to throw more
evidence out for veto. Your neocon games of denial no longer work.
Nor is it necessary to agree with every assertion or claim as long as I
concur with the subject.
The economy is in meltdown and I don't care whether you believe it or not.
Please post a single correct fact from K4U tirade. Just one will do. |
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| AZ Nomad |
| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:29 am |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:32:01 -0000, AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:14:38 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon <Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:08:58 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
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Until you back up your claim that the OP isn't garbage, I'll file you along
side K4U as a bullshitter.
You began the judgment without a single factoid. Now that I've called you
on it it is your responsibility to disprove, not mine to throw more
evidence out for veto. Your neocon games of denial no longer work.
Nor is it necessary to agree with every assertion or claim as long as I
concur with the subject.
The economy is in meltdown and I don't care whether you believe it or not.
Please post a single correct fact from K4U tirade. Just one will do.
<silence>
thank you for proving my point. |
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| Curly Surmudgeon |
| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:25 am |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:29:22 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
Quote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:32:01 -0000, AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:14:38 -0800, Curly Surmudgeon <Curly.is.not@home.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:08:58 +0000, AZ Nomad wrote:
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Until you back up your claim that the OP isn't garbage, I'll file you along
side K4U as a bullshitter.
You began the judgment without a single factoid. Now that I've called you
on it it is your responsibility to disprove, not mine to throw more
evidence out for veto. Your neocon games of denial no longer work.
Nor is it necessary to agree with every assertion or claim as long as I
concur with the subject.
The economy is in meltdown and I don't care whether you believe it or not.
Please post a single correct fact from K4U tirade. Just one will do.
silence
thank you for proving my point.
Only atop your head.
You take issue with the posting, its your responsiblity to present a
counter-arguement. Contradictions aren't worth the virtual paper they are
written on.
And I don't care whether or not you believe the article. Objective
readers know that the general theme is true.
-- Regards, Curly
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:59 am |
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On Jan 10, 11:16 am, "P. Maffia" <pmaf...@centurytel.net> wrote:
Quote: The VILLAGE IDIOT of MORON TOWN is always so entertaining.<knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ff523336-d680-45b0-a2ee-3159b11283d8@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Hey Dickbrain.
The only reason ANY OF THEM will report a "profit" is because they are
playing games with the BOOKS and have yet to actually put these 'off
balance sheet" assets in their financials at their likely true value.
Among others, CIti has moved some $45 Billion of these assets unto its
balance sheet and still had to set up loss reserves of just $17 billion to
cover their losses.
And do you know why?
Because they don't have a fricken idea what these "derivatives" are
worth since right now there is NO MARKET FOR THEM.
Derivites trade with a hefty volume daily. So contrary to your moronic
claim, they do have some iodea what they are worth.
Which means they are worth approximately ZERO.
Ever heard of GAAP?
Sure have, even worked with them for more years then you have been alive, if
we can call your existence living.
They don't even use it.
Well contrary to your moronic assertion, if they didn't use them, no audit
firm in the country would venture to state an opinion about them other than
they were bankrupt and unable to continue as a viable business. And long
before that would happen, the banking authorities would have closed them
down.
Thank you for demonstrating your lack of functional knowledge on another
couple of subjects.Just as we have come to expect.
I AM THE VILLAGE IDIOT OF MORON TOWN!
Hey Mayor Peabrain,
Here's how honest your bankster heros want to be.
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