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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:43 pm |
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Interesting isn't it how vitamin A cures measles blindness, one of the big
things the vaccinators go on about after deaths
[2007] Vaccines and Third World Countries by Hilary Butler
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler2.html
In 1982, a doctor in Tanzania, who was looking at blindness in children,
pointed out that "The clinical picture in malnourished measles patients is
very typical and entirely similar to that of diseases children suffering
from severe vitamin A deficiency, i.e. xerophthalmia". i.e. blindness. He
pointed out that, "well nourished children, however, only rarely develop
complicated measles and they do not have bad corneal lesions." They took 59
children who had blindness as a "result of measles" and put them on 100,000
units of vitamin A every day, for a week. The eye lesions started to
dissipate, and by two weeks, all 59 children, with or without corneal scars,
had healed. So tell me. What causes the blindness? The measles, or a
fundamental vitamin A malnutrition? [2007] Vaccines and Third World
Countries by Hilary Butler
Studies in America, and New Zealand have found children who have measles
often have third world micronutrient levels, and the recommendations in both
countries since 2001 have been that all children with measles be given
vitamin A. So I ask you two questions: Why, 75 years later, is Gerberding
only wanting you to know that the measles vaccine works to reduce deaths?
Don't you wonder what might have been, for Africa and the developed world as
well, had doctors taken their heads out of the sand and administered vitamin
A from 1932 onwards?
Ah, but the catch with that was they wouldn't have had all those
deaths and complications from pre-1996, to wave in front of your nose and
say, in a nutshell, you need the vaccine because there is NOTHING we can do
to help you if your child gets measles. The messages that "you need the
vaccine" and "there is nothing we can do for you" were both lies. For
whatever reason, the medical profession chose to ignore decades of
literature on vitamin A. [2007] Vaccines and Third World Countries by Hilary
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:43 pm |
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On Dec 14, 5:43 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: Interesting isn't it how vitamin A cures measles blindness, one of the big
things the vaccinators go on about after deaths
Let's see.
Modern medicine has suffered the scurvy and vitamin C debacle.
Modern medicine has suffered the beri-beri and vitamin B debacle.
Modern medicine has suffered the vitamin deficiency pellagra debacle.
Not we have the vitamin A and measles debacle?
Damn, what are we paying these medical gods to do and think?
DrCee |
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:43 pm |
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On Dec 14, 11:14 pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
Quote: In article <3a749101-baff-4e4e-9c0f-1dd760d73...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote:
On Dec 14, 5:43 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it how vitamin A cures measles blindness, one of the big
things the vaccinators go on about after deaths
Let's see.
Modern medicine has suffered the scurvy and vitamin C debacle.
Scurvy was known to be curable by citrus well over a hundred years
ago. Hardly "modern medicine."
Uhh, wronger, sorry you cannot understand
What I was alluding to was that the solution for scury was known for
over 200 years. Yet it took the allopaths another 100 years to accept
the truth.
You guys are dummer than a brick wall and lower than whale shit on the
bottom of the ocean.
DrCee |
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| David Wright |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:05 am |
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In article <cfSdnZn2bvecmv7anZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: Interesting isn't it how vitamin A cures measles blindness, one of the big
things the vaccinators go on about after deaths
If someone has a way to ensure that every child in third world
countries can be kept well-nourished, do let us all know.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke
Quote:
[2007] Vaccines and Third World Countries by Hilary Butler
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/butler2.html
In 1982, a doctor in Tanzania, who was looking at blindness in children,
pointed out that "The clinical picture in malnourished measles patients is
very typical and entirely similar to that of diseases children suffering
from severe vitamin A deficiency, i.e. xerophthalmia". i.e. blindness. He
pointed out that, "well nourished children, however, only rarely develop
complicated measles and they do not have bad corneal lesions." They took 59
children who had blindness as a "result of measles" and put them on 100,000
units of vitamin A every day, for a week. The eye lesions started to
dissipate, and by two weeks, all 59 children, with or without corneal scars,
had healed. So tell me. What causes the blindness? The measles, or a
fundamental vitamin A malnutrition? [2007] Vaccines and Third World
Countries by Hilary Butler
Studies in America, and New Zealand have found children who have measles
often have third world micronutrient levels, and the recommendations in both
countries since 2001 have been that all children with measles be given
vitamin A. So I ask you two questions: Why, 75 years later, is Gerberding
only wanting you to know that the measles vaccine works to reduce deaths?
Don't you wonder what might have been, for Africa and the developed world as
well, had doctors taken their heads out of the sand and administered vitamin
A from 1932 onwards?
Ah, but the catch with that was they wouldn't have had all those
deaths and complications from pre-1996, to wave in front of your nose and
say, in a nutshell, you need the vaccine because there is NOTHING we can do
to help you if your child gets measles. The messages that "you need the
vaccine" and "there is nothing we can do for you" were both lies. For
whatever reason, the medical profession chose to ignore decades of
literature on vitamin A. [2007] Vaccines and Third World Countries by Hilary
Butler
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| David Wright |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:14 am |
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In article <3a749101-baff-4e4e-9c0f-1dd760d735ff@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote:
Quote: On Dec 14, 5:43 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it how vitamin A cures measles blindness, one of the big
things the vaccinators go on about after deaths
Let's see.
Modern medicine has suffered the scurvy and vitamin C debacle.
Scurvy was known to be curable by citrus well over a hundred years
ago. Hardly "modern medicine."
Not that I expect Cee to be able to handle facts.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke |
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| Peter Bowditch |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:07 am |
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wright@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
Quote: In article <3a749101-baff-4e4e-9c0f-1dd760d735ff@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote:
On Dec 14, 5:43 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it how vitamin A cures measles blindness, one of the big
things the vaccinators go on about after deaths
Let's see.
Modern medicine has suffered the scurvy and vitamin C debacle.
Scurvy was known to be curable by citrus well over a hundred years
ago. Hardly "modern medicine."
1747. 260 years ago.
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Not that I expect Cee to be able to handle facts.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke
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| Peter Bowditch |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:09 am |
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drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: On Dec 14, 11:14 pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
In article <3a749101-baff-4e4e-9c0f-1dd760d73...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote:
On Dec 14, 5:43 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Interesting isn't it how vitamin A cures measles blindness, one of the big
things the vaccinators go on about after deaths
Let's see.
Modern medicine has suffered the scurvy and vitamin C debacle.
Scurvy was known to be curable by citrus well over a hundred years
ago. Hardly "modern medicine."
Uhh, wronger, sorry you cannot understand
What I was alluding to was that the solution for scury was known for
over 200 years. Yet it took the allopaths another 100 years to accept
the truth.
The ship's surgeon on the Endeavour knew it. 1769. I make that 22
years, and I don't think that it was the first. It's just that it was
the one of most importance to me.
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You guys are dummer than a brick wall and lower than whale shit on the
bottom of the ocean.
DrCee
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The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
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| D. C. Sessions |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:24 pm |
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In message <xoI8j.7612$AR7.2681@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, David Wright wrote:
Quote: If someone has a way to ensure that every child in third world
countries can be kept well-nourished, do let us all know.
Or for that matter in the USA in the 1950s, when fish oil
supplementation for children was pretty much a national obsession.
Somehow, though, the rates of postmeasles blindness and deafness
didn't decline until the latter 1960s.
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| D. C. Sessions |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:26 pm |
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In message <BwI8j.7618$AR7.4690@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, David Wright wrote:
Quote: Scurvy was known to be curable by citrus well over a hundred years
ago. Hardly "modern medicine."
A hundred? Try the 16th century.
"Limeys" were part of the reason that the British became a major
maritime nation. That and clocks.
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| D. C. Sessions |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:28 pm |
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In message <407a0764-dc2a-4e7c-9a5e-cf962538bd1c@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: What I was alluding to was that the solution for scury was known for
over 200 years. Yet it took the allopaths another 100 years to accept
the truth.
There's a difference between "accepting" and knowing the mechanism.
Since you still don't know the mechanism, you'll have to wait in
line behind Sir Richard Hawkins (1593.)
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| e-mail address. Of course, there isn't REALLY a lumber cartel. |
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| JOHN |
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:36 pm |
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<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:407a0764-dc2a-4e7c-9a5e-cf962538bd1c@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
What I was alluding to was that the solution for scury was known for
over 200 years. Yet it took the allopaths another 100 years to accept
the truth.
You guys are dummer than a brick wall and lower than whale shit on the
bottom of the ocean.
DrCee
Yes, Sessions is a pharma troll.
Allopathy has always been about money and control/power, and genocide.
Took them 20 years to tell everyone about the cause of pellagra.
Sydenham in 1650 had a decent cure for measles--1-2% death rate, yet they
tried to kill him with a duel http://www.whale.to/a/case.html
I log all the things they forgot to tell us
http://www.whale.to/m/therapies.html
part of their depopulation agenda http://www.whale.to/b/covert_q.html |
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| David Wright |
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:46 am |
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In article <HdudnZk_cLAu1fnaRVnyvwA@bt.com>, JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
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drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:407a0764-dc2a-4e7c-9a5e-cf962538bd1c@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
What I was alluding to was that the solution for scury was known for
over 200 years. Yet it took the allopaths another 100 years to accept
the truth.
You guys are dummer than a brick wall and lower than whale shit on the
bottom of the ocean.
DrCee
Yes, Sessions is a pharma troll.
"Pharma troll" == anyone who posts facts that John finds inconvenient.
John is also confused about the meaning of "troll."
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
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| D. C. Sessions |
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:28 am |
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In message <407a0764-dc2a-4e7c-9a5e-cf962538bd1c@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: What I was alluding to was that the solution for scury was known for
over 200 years. Yet it took the allopaths another 100 years to accept
the truth.
The "allopaths," as you call them, were prescribing citrus
and other vegetable sources of vitamin C since the 16th
century:
John Woodall, surgeon to St Bartholomew's Hospital, was
at this time surgeon-general to the East India Company, having
medical charge of their dockyard at Blackwall; his name appears
in the Court minutes as early as 1614. In 1617 he published his '
Surgion's Mate,' " chiefly for the benefit of young sea-surgions
imployed in the East India companies affairs," and dedicated it to
Sir Thomas Smith, himself a navigator, and then chairman of the
Court of Directors. This practical manual is largely occupied
with the management of fractures, dislocations, amputations, and
the like, a part of his subject wherein Woodall was thoroughly
competent; but there appears also in the title, " the cure of the
scurvie, the fluxes of the belly, of the collica and iliaca passio,
tenasmus and exitus ani, the callenture."
He is as
clear on the virtues of lime-juice as Lancaster, and copies
somewhat closely the practice of the latter in 1601: "each
morning two or three spoonfuls, and fast after it two hours";
his originality appearing in the rider, grateful to seamen : " and
if you add one spoonful of aqua vitae thereto, to a cold stomach
it is the better." He mentions that a "good quantity of juice of
lemons is sent in each ship out of England, by the great care of
the merchants, and intended only for the relief of every poor
man in his need." The ship's surgeon is advised to lay in a
store of fresh lemons and oranges where they were to be had on
the voyage, and of tamarinds at Bantam.
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