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 Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:51 am |
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Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
polio
epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
the
following article by Jim West,
http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
and it
was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
quite
prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses. Polio
vaccines
didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
Regards,
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken
in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
diseases
against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
Sabin,
developer of the Oral Polio vaccine. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:42 am |
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On Nov 22, 1:11 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: You forget to mention that the disease has been irradicated from the US,
I did mention about the "irradicated" (sic) part.
Quote: where they use lots of insecticides and from nearly all other countries.
Jeff
You didn't read the material that I posted.
No wonder you remain ignorant.
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.globalserve.net/~yuku
"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken
in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." --
Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine. |
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| Jeff |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:11 pm |
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You forget to mention that the disease has been irradicated from the US,
where they use lots of insecticides and from nearly all other countries.
Jeff |
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| Vaccine-man |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:21 pm |
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On Nov 22, 10:51 am, yu0...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
the following article by Jim West,
http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
and it
was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
quite
prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses.
Polio was first described in 1789.
Quote: Polio vaccines
didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
Regards,
Yuri.
"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
Me smells a rat. It's rather funny that someone would attribute this
to Sabin, since the Sabin Vaccine Institute's principal goal is
immunization. Why would Sabin say such a thing, yet continue to
advocate for vaccination, even after his death? I suspect this
quotation, if real, is taken out of context. If so, then you would be
propagating a fraud. Can you please provide the entire text of Dr.
Sabin's comments? |
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| Vaccine-man |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:22 pm |
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On Nov 22, 12:47 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: they call it acute flaccid paralysis now in 3rd world
AFP is simply the description of a condition. There are many things
that can cause AFP, including polioviruses. |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:47 pm |
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rDj1j.1269$ng.295@trnddc08...
Quote: You forget to mention that the disease has been irradicated from the US,
where they use lots of insecticides and from nearly all other countries.
Jeff
lie http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm
they call it acute flaccid paralysis now in 3rd world |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:01 pm |
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I'll suggest Polio has always been around. In the past people
didn't realise that infantile paralysis was Polio. Before germ theory
and modern sanitation, it is likely most infant or small children
caught the virus early in life with most only having a case
of mild diarrhea. Even in ancient times, some had symptoms
that match those infantile paralysis (polio) with whithered limbs.
I'll suggest this is a case of noncausative correlation.
Don't get me wrong, DDT and similar chemical likely have had
and still have adverse effects. DDT in birds and likely
in mammals has adverse effects on the calcium absorption by
way of antagonist effect to vitamin D. Given the vitamin D
is now seen to have a wide range effects, it would follow
DDT would have a wide range of adverse effects. Resulting in more
cancers, more autoimmune disorders, weaken shells and weaken
bones. |
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| Peter Bowditch |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:02 am |
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Vaccine-man <ziggittes@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 22, 10:51 am, yu0...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
the following article by Jim West,
http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
and it
was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
quite
prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses.
Polio was first described in 1789.
Polio vaccines
didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
Regards,
Yuri.
"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
Me smells a rat. It's rather funny that someone would attribute this
to Sabin, since the Sabin Vaccine Institute's principal goal is
immunization. Why would Sabin say such a thing, yet continue to
advocate for vaccination, even after his death? I suspect this
quotation, if real, is taken out of context. If so, then you would be
propagating a fraud. Can you please provide the entire text of Dr.
Sabin's comments?
A Google search turns up two classes of places where the quote
appears: Anti-vaccination liar web sites and Usenet posts. Ergo, Sabin
never said it.
(It is mentioned once in the Snopes discussion forum, where people
came to the same conclusion that I did.)
Just another lie told by anti-vaccination liars.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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| The One True Zhen Jue |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:54 am |
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On Nov 23, 12:02 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
Quote: Vaccine-man <ziggit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 22, 10:51 am, yu0...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
the following article by Jim West,
http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
and it
was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
quite
prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses.
Polio was first described in 1789.
Polio vaccines
didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
Regards,
Yuri.
"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
Me smells a rat. It's rather funny that someone would attribute this
to Sabin, since the Sabin Vaccine Institute's principal goal is
immunization. Why would Sabin say such a thing, yet continue to
advocate for vaccination, even after his death? I suspect this
quotation, if real, is taken out of context. If so, then you would be
propagating a fraud. Can you please provide the entire text of Dr.
Sabin's comments?
A Google search turns up two classes of places where the quote
appears: Anti-vaccination liar web sites and Usenet posts. Ergo, Sabin
never said it.
(It is mentioned once in the Snopes discussion forum, where people
came to the same conclusion that I did.)
Just another lie told by anti-vaccination liars.
Bingo! They couldn't just lie about what Pasteur said, they lie about
what anyone says.
Heck, Jan Drew even lies about what SHE says.
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:39 am |
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| Mark Probert |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:01 am |
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Vaccine-man wrote:
Quote: On Nov 22, 10:51 am, yu0...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone who's really interested in the history of polio, and how the
polio epidemics correlate with pesticide production, will do well to read
the following article by Jim West,
http://www.geocities.com/harpub/pol_all.htm
Polio was a new disease (which should already be quite suspicious),
and it
was never really 'eradicated'. The same types of symptoms are still
quite
prevalent, they are just given different names/diagnoses.
Polio was first described in 1789.
Polio vaccines
didn't really help anyone, as Dr. Sabin seems to confirm below.
Regards,
Yuri.
"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in
the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the
diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection." -- Dr A.
Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine.
Me smells a rat. It's rather funny that someone would attribute this
to Sabin, since the Sabin Vaccine Institute's principal goal is
immunization. Why would Sabin say such a thing, yet continue to
advocate for vaccination, even after his death? I suspect this
quotation, if real, is taken out of context. If so, then you would be
propagating a fraud. Can you please provide the entire text of Dr.
Sabin's comments?
Well, no one could accuse you of being olfactory challenged. I did a
search on several different text strings in that alleged quotation. I
checked the first thirty hits for each search.
Every single hits was an anti-vaccination site. |
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| Jeff |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:46 pm |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rDj1j.1269$ng.295@trnddc08...
You forget to mention that the disease has been irradicated from the US,
where they use lots of insecticides and from nearly all other countries.
Jeff
lie http://www.whale.to/v/polio2.htm
they call it acute flaccid paralysis now in 3rd world
They call a different illness flaccid paralysis. Polio is a disease
caused by a particular group of viruses.
Jeff |
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| Vaccine-man |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:48 pm |
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On Nov 23, 2:45 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html
Scudamore, you have heard of the Cutter Incident? |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:45 pm |
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mtD1j.5029$dh.4928@trnddc05...
Quote:
They call a different illness flaccid paralysis. Polio is a disease caused
by a particular group of viruses.
Jeff
http://www.whale.to/a/virus.html |
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| Peter Bowditch |
| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:28 pm |
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Vaccine-man <ziggittes@yahoo.com> wrote:
Of course he hasn't. It was severely covered up. That is why
*organised medicine* got Dr Paul Offit to write a book about it.
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Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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