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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:04 am |
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"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Quote: In article <5tKdnZrWf4dJSazanZ2dnUVZ8s6inZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
"The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote
Gardasil rocks! It will save thousands if not millions of lives.
You need one.
[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it
may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and
Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.
Of course, what smallpox vaccination from 90 years ago has to do with
Gardasil remains unexplained.
Um, profit?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly
dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke |
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| Mark Probert |
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:07 am |
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t wrote:
Quote: "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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In article <5tKdnZrWf4dJSazanZ2dnUVZ8s6inZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
"The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote
Gardasil rocks! It will save thousands if not millions of lives.
You need one.
[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it
may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and
Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.
Of course, what smallpox vaccination from 90 years ago has to do with
Gardasil remains unexplained.
Um, profit?
Yes, the most evil side effect of them all: P R O F I T.
Note the sarcasm. |
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:05 pm |
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"SanHolo" <help.you.i.can@gmail.com> wrote in message
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So, you say that vaccination causes damage to teeth, eyesight and
constitution? Like how? Like to what extent?
c. 1990's http://www.whale.to/vaccines/robert.html
so you can imagine old smallpox vax:
"To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late
sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying
degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G.
Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children
in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117."--R Obasawin MD (117
James, W., Immunization, p. 1 http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox2.html |
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| Peter Bowditch |
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:33 pm |
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"JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote:
"SanHolo" <help.you.i.can@gmail.com> wrote in message
So, you say that vaccination causes damage to teeth, eyesight and
constitution? Like how? Like to what extent?
c. 1990's http://www.whale.to/vaccines/robert.html
so you can imagine old smallpox vax:
"To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late
sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying
degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G.
Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children
in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117."--R Obasawin MD (117
James, W., Immunization, p. 1 http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox2.html
The question specifically referred to "teeth, eyesight and
constitution". The reply mentioned none of these.
Typical of the nonsensical responses offered by anti-vaccination liars
when asked top defend their perfidy and insanity.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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| David Wright |
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:31 pm |
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In article <rPDYi.117$PE5.525504@news.sisna.com>, t <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:DjwYi.6090$ww2.5171@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
In article <5tKdnZrWf4dJSazanZ2dnUVZ8s6inZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
"The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote
Gardasil rocks! It will save thousands if not millions of lives.
You need one.
[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it
may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and
Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.
Of course, what smallpox vaccination from 90 years ago has to do with
Gardasil remains unexplained.
Um, profit?
Um, no -- unless you can show that smallpox vaccination back then was
being done for profit.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke |
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| SanHolo |
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:40 am |
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On Nov 8, 5:05 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: "SanHolo" <help.you.i....@gmail.com> wrote in message
So, you say that vaccination causes damage to teeth, eyesight and
constitution? Like how? Like to what extent?
c. 1990'shttp://www.whale.to/vaccines/robert.html
so you can imagine old smallpox vax:
"To give some idea of the vaccine's dangers, it was reported--in the late
sixties--that annually, roughly 3,000 children were experiencing varying
degrees of brain damage due to the smallpox vaccine; and according to G.
Kiftel in 1967, smallpox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children
in West Germany, of which 71 became totally deaf.117."--R Obasawin MD (117
James, W., Immunization, p. 18)http://www.whale.to/vaccine/smallpox2.html
Let me get this straight: You claim that a vaccine, which has been
given to millions of children causes damage to teeth, eyesight and
constitution by appending a picture of _one_ boy who is unable to
close his left eye? And of course this has been proven to be caused by
the vaccine. And the study of 1967 (!!!) is still valid 40 years later
for all the improved vaccines?? |
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:53 am |
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"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Quote: In article <rPDYi.117$PE5.525504@news.sisna.com>, t <tools22@gmail.com
wrote:
"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:DjwYi.6090$ww2.5171@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
In article <5tKdnZrWf4dJSazanZ2dnUVZ8s6inZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
"The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote
Gardasil rocks! It will save thousands if not millions of lives.
You need one.
[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it
may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of
the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and
Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical
and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.
Of course, what smallpox vaccination from 90 years ago has to do with
Gardasil remains unexplained.
Um, profit?
Um, no -- unless you can show that smallpox vaccination back then was
being done for profit.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
Um, so the vaccine was produced for free, and given free to everyone? How
very nice of them. You will post proof that no money changed hands, right? |
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:42 pm |
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"SanHolo" <help.you.i.can@gmail.com> wrote in message > Let me get this
straight: You claim that a vaccine, which has been
Quote: given to millions of children causes damage to teeth, eyesight and
constitution by appending a picture of _one_ boy who is unable to
close his left eye? And of course this has been proven to be caused by
the vaccine. And the study of 1967 (!!!) is still valid 40 years later
for all the improved vaccines??
'Improved', they always say this one is safer but they ahve 36 vaccines now
not 10 as in 1983 http://www.whale.to/v/schedule.html
so they are getting poisoned more now as you can see with the stats, 1 in 5
asthma, 1 in 100 autism, 1 in 10 ADD etc
oh, I know you laike to banish the past, and we all know whay that is--if
people knew the true history (ie the past) of vaccination they would run for
the hills now, and wouldn't be buying your MMR lies over autism |
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| JOHN |
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:44 pm |
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"t" <tools22@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Um, so the vaccine was produced for free, and given free to everyone? How
very nice of them. You will post proof that no money changed hands, right?
wright the moron, of course they got paid for it, jenner got loads and
caused quite a stir at the time
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/money1.html
1883:
"There are 25,000 of us in the United Kingdom, and we stick together more
closely than any other profession. You may take the Law or the Church, and
you will find in neither the same intense devotion to corporate interests.
If one makes a mistake, the others are ready to hide it. Many coroners are
medical men, and when a case occurs that is not favourable to the
profession, it is more or less dexterously slurred over. By means of this
trade unionism we have acquired immense power, which is yearly increasing.
Law and Church will soon be accounted second and third. People cannot be
born without us; they cannot die without us; and it will come to pass that
they cannot be married or take a situation without us. All this tends to
make the medical profession pretty unanimous on a question which is supposed
to be one of its Articles of Faith.
...........And then the money we make out of it! .......Seeing how it pays,
you certainly must not go to the parties paid for disinterested advice. If
you want the truth on vaccination you must to those who are not making
anything out of it. If doctors shot at the moon every time it was full as a
preventive of measles and got a shilling for it, they would bring statistics
to prove it was a most efficient practice, and that the population would be
decimated if it were stopped. They are bred in the faith that vaccination is
a preventive of small-pox, and go on to practise it and to live by it. Be
fair, therefore, to the doctors, and ask yourselves whether you would not
believe as they do, and act as they do, if your training and interest
coincided with theirs. We believe our teachers. I never heard of
anti-vaccinators except as fools and fanatics, whose existence was
marvellous. The only knowledge of vaccination I had was from a medical
lecture explaining the nature of the process and the usual effects that
follow it."---Dr Allinson 1883 http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox20.html |
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:38 pm |
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In article <RDZYi.5$5H.68676@news.sisna.com>, t <tools22@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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In article <rPDYi.117$PE5.525504@news.sisna.com>, t <tools22@gmail.com
wrote:
"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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In article <5tKdnZrWf4dJSazanZ2dnUVZ8s6inZ2d@bt.com>,
JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
"The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote
Gardasil rocks! It will save thousands if not millions of lives.
You need one.
[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it
may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of
the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and
Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical
and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.
Of course, what smallpox vaccination from 90 years ago has to do with
Gardasil remains unexplained.
Um, profit?
Um, no -- unless you can show that smallpox vaccination back then was
being done for profit.
Um, so the vaccine was produced for free, and given free to everyone? How
very nice of them. You will post proof that no money changed hands, right?
Obviously someone made it, but I believe it was a government program
that administered it back then. OK, maybe the manufacturer was making
a profit -- I assume so -- but the idea that this is why the
government used it, well, YOU get to prove that. Remember, back then,
smallpox wasn't extinct. And it was plenty scary.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Saddam Hussein was a bad man, connected with some incredibly dangerous
people: Cheney, Rumsfeld, George Galloway." -- Marcus Brigstocke |
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:02 pm |
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http://www.whale.to/vaccine/shea.html
The first problem is that there are over 100 strains of HPV, only 30 of
which are even theoretically linked with cervical cancer. In addition, HPV
is present in at least half the normal population, almost never causing any
disease or problems whatsoever. Indeed, HPV has never been proven as a
pathogen for any disease.
....All that has ever been shown is that HPV is sometimes present in
cervical cancer tissue, but as we know it's also present in half the normal
population. There is a total lack of evidence that cervical cancer appears
in women with HPV more often than in women without it. And yet this will be
the focus of the vaccine: to pretend to eliminate this ubiquitous virus from
the body.
The second enormous impediment to credibility is that the average age for
cervical cancer is 50 years. But the plan is to mandate Gardasil to 12
years olds. And the manufacturer is only claiming efficacy for 5 years. So
using their own statistics, this makes the vaccine worthless in the long
run, because by the time most females need immunity, it will have worn off
long ago.
....The original phrase used by Merck to link HPV with cervical cancer was
"there is a strong connection." How that phrase got transformed to 'is the
cause of' in the past two years is more a matter of marketing than of
science.
Gardasil's not been evaluated for carcinogenicity or impairment of
fertility. That's great. They want to vaccinate all American 12 year olds
with a vaccine for cancer and they don't even know for sure whether or not
it causes cancer, or makes the recipients infertile. Yeah, sign my kid up
for that one. HPV - The First Cancer Vaccine Dr Tim O'Shea
Vaccinations Designed To Sterilize Women? by Kjeld Heising
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/heising.html |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:38 am |
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On Nov 11, 11:02 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
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The first problem is that there are over 100 strains of HPV, only 30 of
which are even theoretically linked with cervical cancer. In addition, HPV
is present in at least half the normal population, almost never causing any
disease or problems whatsoever. Indeed, HPV has never been proven as a
pathogen for any disease.
Wrong, HPV has been proven numerous times to being involved in 100% of
CIN III and 99.7% of cervical cancer. And yes, there are over 100 HPV
strains, but HPV 16 and 18 account for over 70% of all cervical
cancers. If you give us numbers, give us all of them, not only those
who suit you.
Quote: ....All that has ever been shown is that HPV is sometimes present in
cervical cancer tissue, but as we know it's also present in half the normal
population. There is a total lack of evidence that cervical cancer appears
in women with HPV more often than in women without it. And yet this will be
the focus of the vaccine: to pretend to eliminate this ubiquitous virus from
the body.
Wrong, as already said, HPV is almost always (99.7%) present in women
with cervical cancer.
Quote: The second enormous impediment to credibility is that the average age for
cervical cancer is 50 years. But the plan is to mandate Gardasil to 12
years olds. And the manufacturer is only claiming efficacy for 5 years. So
using their own statistics, this makes the vaccine worthless in the long
run, because by the time most females need immunity, it will have worn off
long ago.
Wrong, the immunity lasts for your life. Be thankful of that,
otherwise you'd have to vaccinate the girls every 5-10 years. And the
idea behind vaccinating 12 year olds is that by the age of 12, they
(hopefully) haven't had sex and therefore haven't already catched the
HPV.
Quote: ....The original phrase used by Merck to link HPV with cervical cancer was
"there is a strong connection." How that phrase got transformed to 'is the
cause of' in the past two years is more a matter of marketing than of
science.
Gardasil's not been evaluated for carcinogenicity or impairment of
fertility. That's great. They want to vaccinate all American 12 year olds
with a vaccine for cancer and they don't even know for sure whether or not
it causes cancer, or makes the recipients infertile. Yeah, sign my kid up
for that one. HPV - The First Cancer Vaccine Dr Tim O'Shea
Your conclusions are wrong, as shown a few lines up in this answer.
And claiming that the HPV vaccine may make you infertile is a shameful
wild speculation lacking not only any evidence, but also any possible
biological mechanism. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:22 am |
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"SanHolo" <help.you.i.can@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Wrong, the immunity lasts for your life. Be thankful of that,
How come the package insert says:
"The duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with
GARDASIL has not been established." |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:27 am |
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On Nov 12, 1:22 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: "SanHolo" <help.you.i....@gmail.com> wrote in message
Wrong, the immunity lasts for your life. Be thankful of that,
How come the package insert says:
"The duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization with
GARDASIL has not been established."
Maybe because Gardasil has not been available for long enough to
ensure that?
But it _should_ last long enough based on current knowledge; only time
will tell if they were right with that conclusion. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:50 am |
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"SanHolo" <help.you.i.can@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Nov 12, 1:22 pm, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
"SanHolo" <help.you.i....@gmail.com> wrote in message
Wrong, the immunity lasts for your life. Be thankful of that,
How come the package insert says:
"The duration of immunity following a complete schedule of immunization
with
GARDASIL has not been established."
Maybe because Gardasil has not been available for long enough to
ensure that?
But it _should_ last long enough based on current knowledge; only time
will tell if they were right with that conclusion.
Corn holio, Have you had this problem truth long? Why can you not simply
admit that your statement was false? |
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