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| Bret Cahill |
 Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:23 pm |
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Quote: We're just discussing Dr. Gray's (SGW) salt global warming theory
here.
Your idea of a discussion is you, talking to yourself.
No need to be coy. The requirements ain't much here. Anyone with an
IQ above single digits can post all he wants here _just as long as it
has to do with Dr. Gray's saltier ocean global warming theory_.
For example, we need someone to start 'splaining how enough additional
salt got into the ocean in the past few decades to significantly
_increase_ the 20 E 15 tones of salt that has been in the oceans for
tens of millions of years.
It's scary to think I'm the only one here who can do a simple
component mass balance that shows that Dr. Gray's SGW (salt global
warming) theory is ridiculous on its face.
I don't even like Al Gore. Why am I the only one here discrediting
his opponents?
Bret Cahill
"Must you salt down your truth so much that it no longer quenches your
thirst?"
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| HangEveryRepubliKKKan |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:26 pm |
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"Tim" <qwery@qwerty.com>
Quote: You don't appear to read at all, aha aha ahaaaa.
From Tim's chronologically next post...
"I didn't fucking read it you dumb ass! Fuck me your sounding dumber than
that Hanging faggot! " - Tim.
Ahahahahahahahha |
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| Bret Cahill |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:39 pm |
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Quote: You don't appear to read at all, aha aha ahaaaa.
From Tim's chronologically next post...
"I didn't fucking read it you dumb ass! Fuck me your sounding dumber than
that Hanging faggot! " - Tim.
Ahahahahahahahha
Rightards are discombobulatin' like there's no tomorrow.
In fact, there _is_ no tomorrow for rightardism.
Bret Cahill |
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| Eric Gisin |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:42 pm |
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"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1192987403.876754.8270@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
No need to be coy. The requirements ain't much here. Anyone with an
IQ above single digits can post all he wants here _just as long as it
has to do with Dr. Gray's saltier ocean global warming theory_.
For example, we need someone to start 'splaining how enough additional
salt got into the ocean in the past few decades to significantly
_increase_ the 20 E 15 tones of salt that has been in the oceans for
tens of millions of years.
The link has already been posted:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20031117204012data_trunc_sys.shtml
Basically, surface salinity depends on evaporation (rising) and precipation (lower).
There is no net change.
Quote: It's scary to think I'm the only one here who can do a simple
component mass balance that shows that Dr. Gray's SGW (salt global
warming) theory is ridiculous on its face.
I don't even like Al Gore. Why am I the only one here discrediting
his opponents?
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| HangEveryRepubliKKKan |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:19 pm |
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"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote
Quote: In fact, there _is_ no tomorrow for rightardism.
There is no future in the RepubliKKKan party. |
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| Bret Cahill |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:33 pm |
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Quote: No need to be coy. The requirements ain't much here. Anyone with an
IQ above single digits can post all he wants here _just as long as it
has to do with Dr. Gray's saltier ocean global warming theory_.
For example, we need someone to start 'splaining how enough additional
salt got into the ocean in the past few decades to significantly
_increase_ the 20 E 15 tones of salt that has been in the oceans for
tens of millions of years.
The link has already been posted:http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20031117204012data_trunc_sys.shtml
Basically, surface salinity depends on evaporation (rising) and precipation (lower).
There is no net change.
So Dr. Gray is a rightard wacko?
If so we need more people to question his theory.
Bret Cahill |
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| Bret Cahill |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:59 pm |
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Quote: No need to be coy. The requirements ain't much here. Anyone with an
IQ above single digits can post all he wants here _just as long as it
has to do with Dr. Gray's saltier ocean global warming theory_.
For example, we need someone to start 'splaining how enough additional
salt got into the ocean in the past few decades to significantly
_increase_ the 20 E 15 tones of salt that has been in the oceans for
tens of millions of years.
The link has already been posted:http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20031117204012data_trunc_sys.shtml
Basically, surface salinity depends on evaporation (rising) and precipation (lower).
There is no net change.
So Dr. Gray is a rightard wacko?
If so we need more people to question his theory.
Such a tribalistic tactic
Questioning a ridiculous theory is "tribalistic?"
Quote: might just work where pseudo-reasoning
Instead of dodgin' questions like a GOP "market" economist try
'splaining how overal salinity has increased global warming.
Bret Cahill |
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| Malrassic Park |
| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:41 pm |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:33:03 -0700, Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com>
wrote:
Quote: No need to be coy. The requirements ain't much here. Anyone with an
IQ above single digits can post all he wants here _just as long as it
has to do with Dr. Gray's saltier ocean global warming theory_.
For example, we need someone to start 'splaining how enough additional
salt got into the ocean in the past few decades to significantly
_increase_ the 20 E 15 tones of salt that has been in the oceans for
tens of millions of years.
The link has already been posted:http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20031117204012data_trunc_sys.shtml
Basically, surface salinity depends on evaporation (rising) and precipation (lower).
There is no net change.
So Dr. Gray is a rightard wacko?
If so we need more people to question his theory.
Such a tribalistic tactic might just work where pseudo-reasoning has
failed you, and besides, it goes with the territory.
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| HangEveryRepubliKKKan |
| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:04 am |
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"Malrassic Park" <malenor@gmail.com> wrote
Quote: Such a tribalistic tactic might just work where pseudo-reasoning has
failed you, and besides, it goes with the territory.
Grey is an old man, who doesn't think well. It's sad, but that is life. |
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| Tim |
| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:14 am |
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"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: I don't read Science A-Go-Go...
It could have some entertainment value.
You don't appear to read at all,
Where did you read that the salinity of the oceans, which already
contain millions of cubic miles of salt, somehow increased?
A 1% change in salinity would require three hundred thousand cubic
_miles_ of salt.
Find out where all that salt came from over the past 200 years and
then report back to us.
I didn't fucking read it
Then why are you citing Science A-Go-Go?
you dumb ass!
Now now now. Don't get into a snit just because you posted on a
matter that you really didn't have the background to unnerstand.
That's right Cahill, I don't "unnerstand". Reminds me of your experience
with Nietzsche; but at least your ignorance on that subject had something to
do with philosophy.
Quote: Fuck me
You need to contact GOP Senator Craig.
We're just discussing Dr. Gray's (SGW) salt global warming theory
here.
I was discussing your ignorance, not your pet theory of the month.
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| Malrassic Park |
| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:49 am |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:59:31 -0700, Bret Cahill <BretCahill@aol.com>
wrote:
Quote: No need to be coy. The requirements ain't much here. Anyone with an
IQ above single digits can post all he wants here _just as long as it
has to do with Dr. Gray's saltier ocean global warming theory_.
For example, we need someone to start 'splaining how enough additional
salt got into the ocean in the past few decades to significantly
_increase_ the 20 E 15 tones of salt that has been in the oceans for
tens of millions of years.
The link has already been posted:http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20031117204012data_trunc_sys.shtml
Basically, surface salinity depends on evaporation (rising) and precipation (lower).
There is no net change.
So Dr. Gray is a rightard wacko?
If so we need more people to question his theory.
Such a tribalistic tactic
Questioning a ridiculous theory is "tribalistic?"
No, trying to get more people to question it is tribalistic.
All you need is one intelligent person, not hordes of
pseudo-intellectuals all chanting the same lie.
Quote: might just work where pseudo-reasoning
Instead of dodgin' questions like a GOP "market" economist try
'splaining how overal salinity has increased global warming.
I don't know GOP market economism. I don't see Bush II practicing it
anyway. In fact, I don't see any practical economic policy emanating
from the present administration. It is a war administration.
As for global warming, I think I read the same excellent page as
everybody else in this discussion. The page mentions a cooling trend
in the North Atlantic region, along with drought conditions in other
places.
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20031117204012data_trunc_sys.shtml
The oceans and atmosphere continually exchange fresh water.
Evaporation over warm, tropical and subtropical oceans transfers water
vapor to the atmosphere, which transports it toward both poles. At
higher latitudes, that water vapor precipitates as rain or snow and
ultimately returns to the oceans, which complete the cycle by
circulating fresh water back toward the equator. The process maintains
a balanced distribution of water around our planet.
The oceans contain 96 percent of the Earth's water, experience 86
percent of planetary evaporation, and receive 78 percent of planetary
precipitation, and thus represent a key element of the global water
cycle for study, the scientists said. Because evaporation concentrates
salt in the surface ocean, increasing evaporation rates cause
detectable spikes in surface ocean salinity levels. In contrast,
salinity decreases generally reflect the addition of fresh water to
the ocean through precipitation and runoff from the continents.
Curry, Dickson, and Yashayaev analyzed a wealth of salinity
measurements collected over recent decades along a key region in the
Atlantic Ocean, from the tip of Greenland to the tip of South America.
Their analysis showed the properties of Atlantic water masses have
been changing - in some cases radically - over the five decades for
which reliable and systematic records of ocean measurements are
available, the scientists report.
They observed that surface waters in tropical and subtropical Atlantic
Ocean regions became markedly saltier. Simultaneously, much of the
water column in the high latitudes of the North and South Atlantic
became fresher.
This trend appears to have accelerated since 1990 - when 10 of the
warmest years since records began in 1861 have occurred. The
scientists estimated that net evaporation rates over the tropical
Atlantic have increased by five percent to ten percent over the past
four decades.
These results indicate that fresh water has been lost from the low
latitudes and added at high latitudes, at a pace exceeding the ocean
circulation's ability to compensate, say the scientists. Taken
together with other recent studies revealing parallel salinity changes
in the Mediterranean, Pacific, and Indian Oceans, a growing body of
evidence suggests that the global hydrologic cycle has revved up in
recent decades.
Among other possible climate impacts, an accelerated evaporation -
precipitation cycle would continue to freshen northern North Atlantic
waters. The North Atlantic is one of the few places on Earth where
surface waters become dense enough to sink to the abyss. The plunge
of this great mass of cold, salty water helps drive a global ocean
circulation system, often called the Ocean Conveyor. This Conveyor
helps draw warm Gulf Stream waters northward in the Atlantic, pumping
heat into the northern regions that significantly moderates wintertime
air temperatures, especially in Europe.
If the North Atlantic becomes too fresh, its waters would stop sinking
and the Conveyor could slow down. Analyses of ice cores, deep-sea
sediment cores, and other geologic evidence have clearly demonstrated
the Conveyor has abruptly slowed down or halted many times in Earth's
history. That has caused the North Atlantic region to cool
significantly and brought long-term drought conditions to other areas
of the Northern Hemisphere over time spans as short as years to
decades.
Melting glaciers and Arctic sea ice, another consequence of global
warming, are other sources of additional fresh water to the North
Atlantic. An accelerated water cycle also appears to be increasing
precipitation in higher latitudes, contributing to the freshening of
North Atlantic waters and increasing the possibility of slowing the
Conveyor.
A cooling of the North Atlantic region would slow the melting process,
curtail the influx of fresh water to the North Atlantic. The Conveyor
would again begin to circulate ocean waters. But global warming and an
accelerated water cycle would continue to bring fresh water to high
latitudes - possibly enough to maintain a cap on the Conveyor even if
the Arctic melting ceased. Monitoring Earth's hydrological cycle is
critical, the scientists said, because of its potential near-term
impacts on Earth's climate.
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| HangEveryRepubliKKKan |
| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:51 am |
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"Bret Cahill" <BretCahill@aol.com> wrote
Quote: Instead of dodgin' questions like a GOP "market" economist try
'splaining how overal salinity has increased global warming.
No doubt his explanation will involve Grey Aliens or Shadow People from
the hollow centre of the earth. |
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| Fred Weiss |
| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:32 am |
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On Oct 21, 1:42 pm, "Eric Gisin" <gi...@uniserve.com> wrote:
Quote: "Bret Cahill" <BretCah...@aol.com> wrote in message
For example, we need someone to start 'splaining how enough additional
salt got into the ocean in the past few decades to significantly
_increase_ the 20 E 15 tones of salt that has been in the oceans for
tens of millions of years.
The link has already been posted:http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20031117204012data_trunc_sys.shtml
Basically, surface salinity depends on evaporation (rising) and precipation (lower).
There is no net change.
Don't try to confuse Brat with the facts. Not when it interferes with
a set of slogans he wants to endlessly repeat.
There is nothing in Gray's theory which argues for a net increase in
salinity in the oceans.
http://www.globalwarming.org/node/84
Separately, Gray's theory is not what we are discussing anyway. It is
Gray's criticism of Gore's - that and the many other criticisms of
eminent climatologists. But to acknowledge these criticisms is to
concede that there is *NO CONSENSUS* - and the Big Lie of consensus is
essential to the AGW case. (They need consensus because they know they
don't have truth. At best AGW is mere unproven speculation - and
that's at best. It's far more difficult to induce massive gov't policy
changes with unproven speculation than with an alleged "consensus".
However a consensus of an unproven speculation is ...still just a
speculation.)
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| Bret Cahill |
| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:48 am |
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Quote: There is nothing in Gray's theory which argues for a net increase in
salinity in the oceans.
Dr. Gray clearly stated that global warming was caused by the increase
in salt in the oceans.
Quote: Separately, Gray's theory is not what we are discussing anyway.
Those who don't want to discuss Gray's statement that GW was caused by
the increase of salt in the oceans and that in 15 years the earth
would be cooling need to stop dodging the issue in the header.
Quote: It is
Gray's criticism of Gore's -
Gray's criticism of Gore was based on his theory that saltier oceans
cause global warming and in 15 years everyone will have forgotten
about global warming.
Dr. Gray's correct that most Americans will have forgotten about
global warming but that's not because AGW will reverse but because gas
will be $10/gallon.
People trump polar bears every time.
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| Bret Cahill |
| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:51 am |
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Quote: I don't read Science A-Go-Go...
It could have some entertainment value.
You don't appear to read at all,
Where did you read that the salinity of the oceans, which already
contain millions of cubic miles of salt, somehow increased?
A 1% change in salinity would require three hundred thousand cubic
_miles_ of salt.
Find out where all that salt came from over the past 200 years and
then report back to us.
I didn't fucking read it
Then why are you citing Science A-Go-Go?
you dumb ass!
Now now now. Don't get into a snit just because you posted on a
matter that you really didn't have the background to unnerstand.
That's right Cahill, I don't "unnerstand".
The Democratic Congress will male Pell grants available under
president Clinton.
Bret Cahill |
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