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| JOHN |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:23 pm |
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On Oct 12, 6:38 am, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.whale.to/v/images/ford.html
Remember John that the poor, poor docs have been throughly educated,
brainwashed, and indoctinated into the world of the medical monopoly
and given a high place in the chuch of modern medicine.
In addition they have been issed their marching orders: Go forth and
poison the sick into becoming well. For this purpose the docs have
been armed with the hypodermic syringe, the scalpel, and a
prescription pad.
They might take offense at your cartoon showing the mindset of the
medicos.
DrCee
Not a member of the church of modern medicine
Not a member of the medical monopoly |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:23 pm |
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<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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They might take offense at your cartoon showing the mindset of the
medicos.
Surely not! Most medicos haven't a clue about the true nature of allopathy |
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| Death |
| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:39 pm |
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Early research results are a setback in the quest to vaccinate people
against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HIV has killed more than 25
million people worldwide since it was identified in 1981, including 550,000
in the United States.
Chris Swingle
Staff writer
(October 11, 2007) - The only clinical trial in the world investigating
whether an HIV vaccine works in people at high risk for AIDS - including 40
in Rochester - has been halted early.
The Merck vaccine didn't prevent HIV infection or slow the disease in those
who became infected, according to preliminary results of this latest
international study.
This setback in the fight to prevent AIDS may have wider implications. Most
other HIV vaccine studies in the pipeline are taking a similar approach,
which is to prompt the body to produce more of a crucial immune cell called
killer T cells.
"It clearly is a disappointment," Dr. Michael Keefer, director of
University of Rochester Medical Center's HIV vaccine trials unit, said
Wednesday. "Frankly, the Merck vaccine looked as good as anything we had in
the test tube."
The STEP study, also known as the HVTN 502 study, began in December 2004
and included 3,000 adults who were HIV-negative when enrolled but who were
considered at high risk for the infection that causes AIDS. Participants
included both men and women. The UR researchers recruited gay men. The
study took 18 months to be fully enrolled, so it wasn't scheduled to end
until mid-2009.
The study was stopped in late September after the first evaluation of
interim results found that about 3 percent of study participants had
developed HIV, both among those who received the vaccine and among those
who received a placebo, or fake vaccine. Neither the volunteers nor the
researchers knew who received which until the end of the study. Keefer said
he wasn't sure whether any Rochester participants developed HIV.
The early global results found that of 741 volunteers who received the
vaccine, 24 developed HIV. Among 762 volunteers who received a placebo, 21
developed HIV.
HIV spreads through unprotected sex and through shared needles among
injected-drug users. No investigational vaccines can cause HIV infection
because no living or killed virus, or pieces of virus, are used.
All study participants were counseled on how to reduce their risk of
getting HIV and given various supplies, such as condoms. Those who became
HIV-infected during the study were referred for evaluation, medical care
and treatment and offered continued immunological and virological follow-up
for an extended period of time.
At this time, there is no proven cure or vaccine for HIV. There are highly
effective treatments to keep people with HIV healthy longer and to delay
the onset of AIDS, which stands for acquired immune deficiency syndrome.
University of Rochester Medical Center was among 27 STEP study sites in
North America, South America, the Caribbean and Australia. The HVTN 503 or
Phambili study, a trial of the same investigational vaccine among
heterosexual adults, started in January in South Africa and was expected to
be that country's largest with 3,000 participants. It also has been halted.
Earlier this decade, in the first wave of HIV vaccine attempts, researchers
tried to develop an injection that would stimulate antibodies against the
virus. That approach hasn't worked so far.
Keefer said other investigational vaccines show promise. URMC and other
research centers around the world expect to start a new clinical trial in
2008 called PAVE 100 that would involve 9,000 participants at high risk for
HIV.
URMC also is running about a dozen studies of potential HIV vaccines that
showed promise in studies of monkeys. The so-called Phase I studies are
small and test the safety of the vaccines in people. . Vaccines that pass
that test can eventually move to Phase IIB - like the STEP test - to
examine whether the vaccine prevents HIV in high-risk individuals. Positive
results would lead to Phase III trials and, potentially, a licensed
vaccine.
Steven Price, director of prevention services at AIDS Rochester, said
Wednesday, "We're disappointed that the vaccine was not working, but are
encouraged by the tenacity of those doing the difficult work of finding a
vaccine to combat HIV/AIDS. AIDS Rochester will continue to support vaccine
research both locally and globally."
CSWINGLE@DemocratandChronicle.com |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:28 am |
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" Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
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Early research results are a setback in the quest to vaccinate people
against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HIV has killed more than 25
million people worldwide since it was identified in 1981, including
550,000
in the United States.
A vaccine that will never work against a virus that doesn't do anything
for a disease caused by drugs
sounds like a Pharma Production! |
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| David Wright |
| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:23 pm |
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In article <Boydna5nr8dC-o3a4p2dnAA@bt.com>, JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
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" Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
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Early research results are a setback in the quest to vaccinate people
against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HIV has killed more than 25
million people worldwide since it was identified in 1981, including
550,000 in the United States.
A vaccine that will never work against a virus that doesn't do anything
for a disease caused by drugs
sounds like a Pharma Production!
Sounds like the usual insanity from John Scudamore. The disease isn't
caused by drugs -- unless we assume that millions of impoverished sub-
Saharan Africans are secret drug abusers.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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| Death |
| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:05 pm |
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"JOHN" <john@nospam.com> wrote in message
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" Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
Early research results are a setback in the quest to vaccinate people
against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HIV has killed more than 25
million people worldwide since it was identified in 1981, including
550,000
in the United States.
A vaccine that will never work against a virus that doesn't do anything
for a disease caused by drugs
sounds like a Pharma Production!
Now what would Pharma be doing in a vaccine trial?
We both know that is done by casino dealers. |
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| Peter Bowditch |
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:39 am |
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wright@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
Quote: In article <Boydna5nr8dC-o3a4p2dnAA@bt.com>, JOHN <john@nospam.com> wrote:
" Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
news:kCTPi.1068$Ia.549@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Early research results are a setback in the quest to vaccinate people
against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HIV has killed more than 25
million people worldwide since it was identified in 1981, including
550,000 in the United States.
A vaccine that will never work against a virus that doesn't do anything
for a disease caused by drugs
sounds like a Pharma Production!
Sounds like the usual insanity from John Scudamore. The disease isn't
caused by drugs -- unless we assume that millions of impoverished sub-
Saharan Africans are secret drug abusers.
I have always been fascinated by the loon claims that AZT causes AIDS,
the evidence being that only people with AIDS take AZT.
I assume that they also think paracetamol causes headaches, accutane
causes acne and plaster casts cause broken legs.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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| Jan Drew |
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:53 am |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:31 pm |
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On Oct 12, 7:39 pm, " Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
Quote: Early research results are a setback in the quest to vaccinate people
against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HIV has killed more than 25
million people worldwide since it was identified in 1981, including 550,000
in the United States.
This just proves how poweful big pharma is. It is the TREATMENT for
the disease that is killing all these people in addition to whatever
disease or diseases they may have.
In developed nations you may get an AIDS test. Worthless as it is,
people will die for it.
In undeveloped nations you will not get an AIDS test. You simply have
to be sick with conditions like a fever, weight loss, diarrhea, and
one or two more symptoms to be told you have AIDS.
This is like the "bone of contention" used by the aborigines of
Australia. The medical men had a bone. If they disliked you for some
reason, all they had to do was point the bone at you, you would be
ostricised, and found dead days later.
This is all the modern docs have to do. They simply point their
finger at you and curse you with AIDS or terminal cancer. The
believer then slinks off to die.
And we call this modern medicine?
DrCee
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Not a member of the church of modern medicine. |
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| Death |
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:23 pm |
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<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
" Death" <De...@yourdoor.net> wrote:
Quote: Early research results are a setback in the quest to vaccinate people
against HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. HIV has killed more than 25
million people worldwide since it was identified in 1981, including
550,000
in the United States.
This just proves how poweful big pharma is. It is the TREATMENT for
the disease that is killing all these people in addition to whatever
disease or diseases they may have.
That's true enough. Until pharma was invented people
did not have disease or die.
Quote: In developed nations you may get an AIDS test. Worthless as it is,
people will die for it.
I've noticed the same thing with tombstones.
Quote: In undeveloped nations you will not get an AIDS test. You simply have
to be sick with conditions like a fever, weight loss, diarrhea, and
one or two more symptoms to be told you have AIDS.
Indeed, it is better to be told you just have fever, weight loss, diarrhea
and 2 or 3 more symptoms and not be told you have aids. We sure
wouldn't want them to think they were sick.
Quote: This is like the "bone of contention" used by the aborigines of
Australia. The medical men had a bone. If they disliked you for some
reason, all they had to do was point the bone at you, you would be
ostricised, and found dead days later.
You do that voo doo, that you do so well
Quote: This is all the modern docs have to do. They simply point their
finger at you and curse you with AIDS or terminal cancer. The
believer then slinks off to die.
And we call this modern medicine?
No shit? All this time I thought someone acquired aids through
specific behavior, who knew: They do that voo doo that they do so well? |
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| Peter Bowditch |
| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:36 am |
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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"Peter Bowditch"
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 3,700 for myfirstname ratbags.com"
author:loon. (0.39 seconds)
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Peter Bowditch
Are you OK, Jan? We are starting to worry about you because of your
rather bizarre behaviour. I hope that yo haven't fallen off the wagon.
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Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:54 am |
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drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: On Oct 15, 3:47 pm, Bryan Heit <bjh...@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Just as we rejected Mullis's views of HIV, and Einsteins cosmological
constant.
Bryan
OK, no proof, just your beliefs and comments, and I'll throw in Linus
Pauling for you as incompetent based upon your beliefs.
The proof he is wrong is plain and simple - PCR tests for HIV exist, and
are the most commonly used method to determine viral titer. I've used
them as a part of my own work, its how we determined viral titer for
this study:
http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/177/9/6405
Specifically, Figure 1e and 1f. Those viral loads didn't appear from
nowhere, unlike the "data" you like to quote.
Hell, even wikipedia managed to get it right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_test#Nucleic_acid_based_tests_.28NAT.29
The specific method used is termed "reverse transcriptase PCR", not to
be confused with "real-time PCR", which has the same acronym (RT-PCR).
This type of test did not exist when Kary Mullis made his comments about
HIV - perhaps explaining why he though PCR would be useless for
detecting HIV.
That PCR is used to measure viral loads is a commonly known fact; as
someone who was formerly part of the "medical mafia", you should be
aware of that.
Of course, we all know your claims to having been a part of the medical
field are bogus, which is why you are completely unaware of these basic
facts.
Bryan |
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:18 am |
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Jan Drew wrote:
Quote: "Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
On Oct 15, 3:47 pm, Bryan Heit <bjh...@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Just as we rejected Mullis's views of HIV, and Einsteins cosmological
constant.
Bryan
OK, no proof, just your beliefs and comments, and I'll throw in Linus
Pauling for you as incompetent based upon your beliefs.
The proof he is wrong is plain and simple - PCR tests for HIV exist, and
are the most commonly used method to determine viral titer. I've used
them as a part of my own work, its how we determined viral titer for
this study:
http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/177/9/6405
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