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| Michael Kuettner |
 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:38 pm |
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"Philip Deitiker" <Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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[quote:5ac97220d5]"Martin Reboul" <martin@SPAMFUKreboul1471.freeserve.co.uk
says in news:c6934u$mns$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
Yet many of us have carefully read everything, and still
been unsatisfied. Especially when told we 'know nothing' or
are unfit to give our opinion.
I have refereed a fair number of papers in my life. I have sent
many back because of ambiguities and poorly selected English.
Inger's grammar and english is very typical of a person whose
primary language is not English.
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That in itself wouldn't be a problem.
I've often committed cruelty to the common comma or punished
the punctuation.
I've mis- and abused words and afflicted atrocities on the
helpless English language.
And kind people supported me in email^W^W^W^W showed me
where I'd erred. And I've tried to learn from that.
But not Ingwer.
She claims to speak and write better English than native
speakers.
The only thing that keeps her from claiming that she has invented
the language seems to be some tiny spark of self-preservation.
That's why people lose patience. I've never seen anybody being
ridiculed in these parts just because their command of the
language wasn't very good.
Ingwer is being kicked because she claims that her gibberish
is perfect English.
Cheers,
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| Daryl Krupa |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:03 pm |
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message news:<Uryhc.90439$dP1.273967@newsc.telia.net>...
[quote:7655715354]Katherine,
I don't fail to give references. On the contrary - I have sent the
references for everything over and over in discussions during the years -
snip[/quote:7655715354]
And yet, I'm still waiting for information on those Bronze Age
(later, "Iron Age") lakes in central North America,
lo these many years ...
A.l. |
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| Doug Weller |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:35 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:25:38 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
[quote:7603e6df70]"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:z4lanyd4b7da.aig0pyr5a3q8$.dlg@40tude.net...
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:10:53 GMT, Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
In sci.archaeology Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> wrote:
: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:53:10 -0600, "Tedd Jacobs"
: <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
:>"Katherine Griffis-Greenberg" wrote...
:>> Philip Deitiker in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
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:>> To Inger:
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:>> >No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
:>> >them, then get out of science groups.
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:>> Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to
sites
:>> which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post
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:>> all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions purposely, and then
:>> complains about it?
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:>> Sad.
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:>what's sadder is that knowing this the group continues to reply.
: True. Well, I'm done. It's apparent to me that Inger will never give
a
: proper citation for *any* claim she makes,
Why do you think is that? Do you think it's a matter of principle with
her
never to give a proper citation?
It's clear at least in some cases that she doesn't because she can't.
Now you are lying Doug. I can for every thing I have written to the groups.
But after trying the first three years to get you and others to understand
that you can't only take a citation out of context that's no use to do more
than the normal way or references - Historian/Scholar/Author; Prime
source/work/book; chapter and sometimes page; edition and year.
That's the normal way to present references.
[/quote:7603e6df70]
You couldn't cite your dictionary's ISBN number to prove your claim about
it. You couldn't cite an EU law to prove your claims about EU law.
Go ahead Inger, prove that I'm a liar. You throw insults around easily
when you want to, justify this one. According to you, you are not allowed
to make such statements about people, remember? This is abuse and libel.
[SNIP]
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| Seppo Renfors |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:52 pm |
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Trolls, trolls and Trolls!!
I have watched with interest when Doug "pre-Columbian brick wall"
Weller posted his crud about Henrik Williams and Larsson's papers.
Every conspiracy theorist have crawled out from under their rocks and
worm holes in the woodwork. All the anit-KRS worshipers have joined
the chorus as well.
To summarise the source of their elatedness is this "reasoning";
"Because the runes are believed to be known in early to mid 1800's the
KRS must be a fake". THAT is the so called "logic" behind the claims!
But did any one of those people actually think? HELL NO! If they had,
then the essence of their previous claim would have to be included
"Because the runes don't exist, the KRS must be a fake"! Like
HEEElllllooooo.... anyone home? It doesn't even look like the light is
on in there!
So in reality FACTS, logic and reason has no place in their minds. If
it did they would note their original argument is dead, and they
embrace the newly found bits of paper as proof - diametrically
opposite to their previous view of "proof" and must be "proof" of its
genuineness instead. Fact is that the Larsson papers provides more
supporting evidence than anything else for the KRS being genuine.
The Larsson papers say that somewhere there were sources where the
rune rows were copied from. That this source has not been found to
exist by any other means - so far. That these rune rows were copied by
someone not familiar with them is obvious due to the non standard
order of them. Further more, they were NOT copied onto the 1883 paper
by Larsson alone. That paper contains 4 different writing styles,
indicating 4 different people having been involved. This CAN mean 4
different sources!
The hand writing of Larsson has NOT been verified, to know which
portion was written by him, and which by others. The 1885 paper is
written by one person, copied from the first. The "notes" on it, are
written by a 16 and 17 year old KID - and the conspiracy theorists and
anti-KRS worshipers take those "notes" as some kind of academic study
- HAH..... they then admit a 16 year old KID back in 1883 is cleverer
and more intelligent than THEY are! Hmmmm..... on second thought....
perhaps they are right :-)
A whole stack of papers were donated, but ONLY 2 pages have surfaced.
Why isn't the rest published? Are we to believe, despite claims to the
contrary, ONLY these two pages exist? As someone suggested Larsson was
"studying" when these notes were made - if so, where then are the rest
of the papers from 1883->1885? It is not believable ONLY those two
pages were written! If they refer to "secret languages" where is
communication IN those "secret languages"?
Just about every kid have heard of/had/used a "secret language" at
some point with their personal close friends. To stretch that to cover
"apprentices" as a general statement and claim THEY had a secret
language is completely and utterly unsubstantiated. What a load of
codswallop! Gypsies and "Tattare" are known to have used a "secret
language" - or signs at least.
Of course, the impossibility still exists for the stone to have been
faked by any other people than Native Americans..... the Indians!! But
such considerations CAN'T enter their heads, as is requires an ability
to think all inclusively juggling several different facts at once.
This is just too much for them.
The conspiracy theorists now involve a whole stack of people on both
sides of the Atlantic, in order to fool some people in the 20th
century! THERE IS NO MOTIVE for a fake - that is the biggest killer of
that theory - other than the lunatic claims that is!
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SIR - Philosopher unauthorised
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| zolota |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:58 am |
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"Daryl Krupa" <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[quote:cffffb75e7]"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
news:<Uryhc.90439$dP1.273967@newsc.telia.net>...
Katherine,
I don't fail to give references. On the contrary - I have sent the
references for everything over and over in discussions during the
years -
snip
And yet, I'm still waiting for information on those Bronze Age
(later, "Iron Age") lakes in central North America,
lo these many years ...
A.l.
[/quote:cffffb75e7]
Is this too far west?
http://www.trailsbc.ca/rockies_region/rockies-services.shtml |
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| Tedd Jacobs |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:07 am |
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"Inger E Johansson" wrote...
[quote:68bea953ba]"Seppo Renfors" skrev...
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
(Uno Hu) wrote...
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[..][/quote:68bea953ba]
[quote:68bea953ba][double talk will confuse all those who try and support
their position with facts!]
[only those who dont uderstand try to fool us into thinking
the sky is blue!]
[yes! yes! the sky is not blue no matter what they show us!]
[the sky is not blue! i have seen the sky. other scholars have
seen the sky. they all say everyone is abusing me because i
say the sky is not blue!]
[/quote:68bea953ba]
shall i report myself for abuse? |
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| David B. |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:41 am |
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Seppo Renfors wrote in message <40891FCE.7295A8DD@not.com.au>...
....huge amounts of uncomprehending garbage. At times like this I even start
to empathise with DSH.
David B.
PS Do freemasons actually receive any training in stonemasonry? |
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| Martin Reboul |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:12 pm |
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
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[quote:f05b7f4ca3]
"Seppo Renfors" <Renfors@not.com.au> skrev i meddelandet
news:40893789.E555B373@not.com.au...
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
lorad474@cs.com (Uno Hu) wrote in message
news:<9dff2144.0404190039.89283f8@posting.google.com>...
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Failing that, the reverse seems indicated; The tailors shorthand was a
relic of a previous tradition of writing runes that, being isolated
from mainstream literary innovation, maintained a higher degree of
literary conservatism.
Uno Hu
Thank you for your reply, Uno.
Here are some well-known facts about the Kensington Rune Stone. None
of them are changed in any way by Larsson's futharks.
1. At the time KRS was discovered in Minnesota, it was dismissed as a
crude forgery. The establishment scholars said that the runes were
invented by a forger, because no such runes existed in real life.
It is this point that makes it so laughable that the runes now known
to have existed (or a close likeness at least) it is the final "proof"
of it being fake.... how is two diametrically opposite situations
proof of the same fact?
2. A few years later, after Hjalmar Holand rescued KRS from the
rubbish heap, some independent researchers started to say that some of
these unusual runes were actually real, and are attested in historical
sources.
3. Finally, more recently, mainly because of Nielsen's painstaking
research, virtually all of KRS runes have now been attested in
historical sources.
I think "all" but some are argued over.
The funny thing is that if our dear linguists took themselves time reading
the dissertations re Medieval History re. Religion which been up in
Trondheim the last 14 years they will find all but one of the words they so
desperately argue about, most of them related to King Magnus Eriksson, King
Hakon and or their relative I Svantepolksdotter's son Knut....
Based on these three facts, it is now impossible to dismiss KRS as a
"crude forgery". If it was a forgery, it was certainly not "crude".
Assuming that KRS is a forgery, the mysterious (and still
unidentified) author of this inscription seems to have known more
about runology than even the best Scandinavian scholars of ca. 1900.
Of course, it seems rather unlikely that some poor and uneducated
Minnesota farmer could have known more about runology than the best
scholars of the time. Thus, the unlikelihood of KRS being a forgery.
You forget the fact that the carving has been shown to be at least 200
years old as a minimum age - maximum age is yet to be established
(though it cannot go back further than 1362). It places the rock in
the ground at 1800 AD - meaning only the native Indians could have
carved the rock!
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Ah, but it not 'been shown' has it! All that has been said is that it
'appears' to have been carved 200 years ago - assuming it was naturally
weathered. Which it wasn't! Even comparing the recarved bits (done after it
was discovered) with bits that were allegedly untouched is no good, as the
stone has been scrubbed with detergents, treated with chemicals and marked out
with a pencil. All such 'evidence' is therefore null and void.
[quote:f05b7f4ca3]With any hoax, forgery or fake there has to be a MOTIVE to engage in
such. None exists, nor does the text on the stone give any hints.
[/quote:f05b7f4ca3]
Oh doesn't it? Oh boy, are you in for a surprise!
[quote:f05b7f4ca3]Seppo the last days one of the Scholars in US who argued against KRS have
come up with the new-old assumption that it was Ohman and that he did it for
money...... and that assumption starts from the non-proven 1800's secret
language which according to said scholar couldn't have existed in Medieval
Age......
It's fantastic the way some of them try to spread myths.
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Let's just get this straight once and for all, shall we?
Does everyone now agree, that it is highly unlikely Olaf Ohman was responsible
for carving the KRS...?
I dismissed that possibility almost immediately - his character, knowledge and
personality (as attested to by many locals) just don't make him a likely
suspect, especially considering the way he behaved after he unearthed the KRS
and the way he treated it afterwards.
Do we all also agree that Ohman did discover it on his land, whilst clearing
tree stumps from a field - and the spot where it was discovered is not
disputed?
Olaf is off the hook. All agreed?
Cheers
Martin |
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| Martin Reboul |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:13 pm |
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"David B." <davidb@tronospamchos.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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[quote:4be633ee4f]Seppo Renfors wrote in message <40891FCE.7295A8DD@not.com.au>...
...huge amounts of uncomprehending garbage. At times like this I even start
to empathise with DSH.
David B.
PS Do freemasons actually receive any training in stonemasonry?
[/quote:4be633ee4f]
They do have pictures of the tools embroidered on their aprons I believe... |
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| Matthew Harley |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:23 pm |
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Renia wrote:
[quote:fe8d86930d]It is you who is no scholar, Inger. You are a troll.
[/quote:fe8d86930d]
Troll? Perhaps not. She's not smart enough.
It a total waste of time to try to argue logically with
Inger.
She's a kook; a totally and utterly stark raving nut-case.
She's a waste of space.
People should just ignore her, like they (mostly) do Hines.
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| Inger E Johansson |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:47 pm |
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Matthew,
My IQ and EQ is higher than yours that's obvious.
Stop your abuse you have nothing to gain by your behavior.
Inger E
"Matthew Harley" <harley@eircom.net> skrev i meddelandet
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[quote:aca97bd48d]Renia wrote:
It is you who is no scholar, Inger. You are a troll.
Troll? Perhaps not. She's not smart enough.
It a total waste of time to try to argue logically with
Inger.
She's a kook; a totally and utterly stark raving nut-case.
She's a waste of space.
People should just ignore her, like they (mostly) do Hines.
Any[/quote:aca97bd48d] |
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| Matthew Harley |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:59 pm |
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Inger E Johansson wrote:
[quote:738a3552ac]
Matthew,
My IQ and EQ is higher than yours that's obvious.
Stop your abuse you have nothing to gain by your behavior.
[/quote:738a3552ac]
That's amazing Inger!
You have an IQ of more that 150!
Could we please have your source for that?
Ahhh, of course, the cat ate your Mensa test!
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| Inger E Johansson |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:00 pm |
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"Matthew Harley" <harley@eircom.net> skrev i meddelandet
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[quote:3d80a8dc1f]Inger E Johansson wrote:
Matthew,
My IQ and EQ is higher than yours that's obvious.
Stop your abuse you have nothing to gain by your behavior.
That's amazing Inger!
You have an IQ of more that 150!
Could we please have your source for that?
Ahhh, of course, the cat ate your Mensa test!
[/quote:3d80a8dc1f]
Could you please present your source for having 150.
Stop trying to act as if you were somebody you never had capability to be.
Climb down from your high horses and GROW UP.
Inger E
[quote:3d80a8dc1f]
Matt Harley[/quote:3d80a8dc1f] |
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| Tedd Jacobs |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:03 pm |
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user reported to tcert@telia.se and abuse@telia.com for insulting, off topic
posting, bad manners, and abusive behavior.
"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
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[quote:5af9c541af]Matthew,
My IQ and EQ is higher than yours that's obvious.
Stop your abuse you have nothing to gain by your behavior.
Inger E
"Matthew Harley" <harley@eircom.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:40897B49.F6FCC507@eircom.net...
Renia wrote:
It is you who is no scholar, Inger. You are a troll.
Troll? Perhaps not. She's not smart enough.
It a total waste of time to try to argue logically with
Inger.
She's a kook; a totally and utterly stark raving nut-case.
She's a waste of space.
People should just ignore her, like they (mostly) do Hines.
Any
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| Julian Richards |
| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:29 pm |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:03:53 -0600, "Tedd Jacobs"
<Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> wrote:
[quote:99a468decc]user reported to tcert@telia.se and abuse@telia.com for insulting, off topic
posting, bad manners, and abusive behavior.
[/quote:99a468decc]
If all offenders were reported for that, I'd have no-one to post to.
--
Julian Richards
medieval "at" richardsuk.f9.co.uk
Usenet is how from the comfort of your own living room, you can converse
with people that you would never want in your house.
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