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| Yuri Kuchinsky |
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:50 pm |
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In sci.archaeology Martin Reboul <martin@spamfukreboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
: Yuri "Konspirisy" Kuchinsky wrote...
It's true that from time to time I enjoy making fun of the conspiracy
buffs in these ngs.
For those logically-impaired, opposing conspiracies isn't the same as
embracing them... But I'm afraid this distinction is entirely lost on Mr.
Reboul. Alas!
It seems like Mr. Reboul is only interested in making false accusations
here. He's made the same accusation many times already...
Plonk!
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky in Toronto -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku
It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in nonsense than
to put out on the troubled seas of thought -=O=- John K. Galbraith |
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| Martin Reboul |
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 7:27 pm |
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"Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@clio.trends.ca> wrote in message
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Quote: In sci.archaeology Martin Reboul <martin@spamfukreboul1471.freeserve.co.uk
wrote:
: Yuri "Konspirisy" Kuchinsky wrote...
It's true that from time to time I enjoy making fun of the conspiracy
buffs in these ngs.
That makes two of us!
Quote: For those logically-impaired, opposing conspiracies isn't the same as
embracing them... But I'm afraid this distinction is entirely lost on Mr.
Reboul. Alas!
It seems like Mr. Reboul is only interested in making false accusations
here. He's made the same accusation many times already...
What 'accusation' Yuri? You are *obsessed* with 'conspiracies', you see them
everywhere - every other post of yours is about conspiracies, conspiracists or
conspiracy theories.
You do know that one of your nicknames is 'Yuri Konspiracy' don't you? Not
that I would be so rude as to use it, I prefer the other one.
What you drink is no concern of mine, but it must be strong stuff.
Cheers
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| Inger E Johansson |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:25 am |
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"t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> skrev i meddelandet
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Quote: Inger E Johansson wrote:
That specific group might have been descendents to Greenlanders and the
Cree
Indians they had lived close by.
What complete and utter BS.
The Cree speak an Algonquian language, the Mandan speak a Siouan
language. The Cree got nowhere near the Middle Missouri where the Mandan
still live.
tk,
that's exactly why I didn't want to go into discussions regarding any
possible(in my view not plausible) connections between Mandan and the
Greenlanders.
I do have knowledge of contacts between Greenlanders and Cree indians. The
later travelled north to Hudson Bay once a year for centuries to sell furs
to the Greenlanders. But any other connection between the Cree and the
Greenlanders aren't known from sources I have seen, well give or take some
Norse trappers and also a few sailings in the Great Lakes but that doesn't
make the Cree's anything but Indians. It's not the Cree the Greenlander's
settled close by in northern parts of todays Michigan and Wisconsin. Nor was
it the Cree or the Mandans that are mentioned in sources I have seen as
intermarrying the Greenlanders.
More about that in my book and articles on the way, but I never seen
anything indicating that the Mandans were descendants of Norwegians. Others
are but not the named tribes.
Inger E |
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| Philip Deitiker |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:55 am |
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> says in
news:jRqhc.90415$dP1.273712@newsc.telia.net:
Quote: Doug,
since we do have persons in this group with more knowledge
about the copy, and since Philip managed to send a ref to
an url where at least part of the information quoted by the
author were word by word identical to correct information
re. Verendrye's voyage respectively Verendrye's meeting
with a Swedish scholar discussing the stone's text; I find
it hard to believe that you can be serious if you continue
to ask me to produce ref.
Excuse #29 since we do have persons in this group with more
knowledge about the copy, and since Philip managed to send a ref
to an url where at least part of the information quoted by the
author were word by word identical to correct information
re. Verendrye's voyage respectively Verendrye's meeting
with a Swedish scholar discussing the stone's text; I find
it hard to believe that you can be serious if you continue
to ask me to produce ref.
I produced a reference to a site. It does not mean that this is
a scientific site or should be treated as a reference. I was
trying to clear up the information Doug wanted. At limbo still
are the transcriptions or other reproductions of the stone, that
is what needs to be references. If such references are not
present, then bringing the stone up as evidentary information is
not valid. Accordingly the author claimed that the runes were
similar to tartaric runes, the tartars of course come from
eastern asia, and therefore if they had made the runes it would
have come from a western source not an eastern source (relative
to the new world).
Quote: Please go to the text in French
where Verendrye's voyage is written down. You will no doubt
find the information you are asking for if you do so.
Excuse #30- If you don't, well that's not my problem and I am
not cryptic only tries to tell you as so many times before -
each
scholar has to do his own background check validation reading
and so on. I have told you were to look.
No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
them, then get out of science groups.
(20 more to go and only 9 days left).
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| Doug Weller |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:35 am |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:07:27 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
Quote: since we do have persons in this group with more knowledge about the copy,
and since Philip managed to send a ref to an url where at least part of the
information quoted by the author were word by word identical to correct
information re. Verendrye's voyage respectively Verendrye's meeting with a
Swedish scholar discussing the stone's text; I find it hard to believe that
you can be serious if you continue to ask me to produce ref.
Philip gave no reference to anything verifying your claim for a copy. Once
again, as with your alleged EU law, your dictionary, etc., you are refusing
to offer information. I want you to substantiate your claim for an extant
copy, nothing else. Since you won't, I assume that as with other such
claims (the EU law, your dictionary), you can't.
[SNIP]
Doug |
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| t(nospam)kavanagh |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:40 am |
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Inger E Johansson wrote:
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"t(nospam)kavanagh" <"tkavanag"@(nospam)indiana.edu> skrev i meddelandet
news:c63lea$5mh$1@hood.uits.indiana.edu...
Inger E Johansson wrote:
That specific group might have been descendents to Greenlanders and the
Cree
Indians they had lived close by.
What complete and utter BS.
The Cree speak an Algonquian language, the Mandan speak a Siouan
language. The Cree got nowhere near the Middle Missouri where the Mandan
still live.
tk,
that's exactly why I didn't want to go into discussions regarding any
possible(in my view not plausible) connections between Mandan and the
Greenlanders.
Then why didn't you say that when you responded to the original
quotation?
Quote: I do have knowledge of contacts between Greenlanders and Cree indians.
Please specify.
The
Quote: later travelled north to Hudson Bay once a year for centuries to sell furs
to the Greenlanders.
Citation?
But any other connection between the Cree and the
Quote: Greenlanders aren't known from sources I have seen, well give or take some
Norse trappers and also a few sailings in the Great Lakes but that doesn't
make the Cree's anything but Indians.
That's not what you said above.
It's not the Cree the Greenlander's
Quote: settled close by in northern parts of todays Michigan and Wisconsin.
Then who was it?
Nor was
Quote: it the Cree or the Mandans that are mentioned in sources I have seen as
intermarrying the Greenlanders.
Then who was it?
Quote: More about that in my book and articles on the way,
Yeah, right.
but I never seen
Quote: anything indicating that the Mandans were descendants of Norwegians. Others
are but not the named tribes.
Who then?
tk
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| Inger E Johansson |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:08 am |
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Doug,
are you a scholar? I thought every scholar knew how to follow the references
presented within refered text written in a reference. It takes time to do
so. I know it's much easier to have other doing the search and validation. I
will not do yours.
Inger E
"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:pfgth0cf3xpw.105a2pe1okdgi$.dlg@40tude.net...
Quote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:07:27 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
since we do have persons in this group with more knowledge about the
copy,
and since Philip managed to send a ref to an url where at least part of
the
information quoted by the author were word by word identical to correct
information re. Verendrye's voyage respectively Verendrye's meeting with
a
Swedish scholar discussing the stone's text; I find it hard to believe
that
you can be serious if you continue to ask me to produce ref.
Philip gave no reference to anything verifying your claim for a copy. Once
again, as with your alleged EU law, your dictionary, etc., you are
refusing
to offer information. I want you to substantiate your claim for an extant
copy, nothing else. Since you won't, I assume that as with other such
claims (the EU law, your dictionary), you can't.
[SNIP]
Doug |
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| Katherine Griffis-Greenbe |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:13 am |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:55:34 GMT, Philip Deitiker
<Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
To Inger:
Quote: No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
them, then get out of science groups.
Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions purposely, and then
complains about it?
Sad.
Quote: (20 more to go and only 9 days left).
So what happens when she reaches 50? I seem to have missed that.
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Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
Oriental Institute
Oriental Studies Doctoral Program [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom
http://www.griffis-consulting.com |
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| David Johnson |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:27 am |
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Katherine Griffis-Greenberg <egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com>
wrote in news:toad801nk8ec57hql06jjdg1inn6e2cbri@4ax.com:
Quote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:55:34 GMT, Philip Deitiker
Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
To Inger:
No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
them, then get out of science groups.
Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
all?
I've asked that myself. Guess what? She didn't answer...
David
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"You're a loony, you are!"
"They said that about Galileo, they said that about Einstein..."
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| Inger E Johansson |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:46 am |
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Katherine,
I don't fail to give references. On the contrary - I have sent the
references for everything over and over in discussions during the years -
contrary to you I know how to do prover studies: either you look closer into
the references given or you have to accept that you have to wait. I am
neither here to do your homework or to repeat the references over and over
again!
We have discussed the details over the last 7 years. If you haven't been
here that long, your problem not mine.
I suggest that you stopp abusing me and that includes your personal attacks
where you have attacked me over and over in the group. Yes I do have the
right to defend myself and Yes I will not take anything alike the lines
below from you anymore.
Inger E
"Katherine Griffis-Greenberg" <egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> skrev
i meddelandet news:toad801nk8ec57hql06jjdg1inn6e2cbri@4ax.com...
Quote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:55:34 GMT, Philip Deitiker
Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
To Inger:
No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
them, then get out of science groups.
Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions purposely, and then
complains about it?
Sad.
(20 more to go and only 9 days left).
So what happens when she reaches 50? I seem to have missed that.
--
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
Oriental Institute
Oriental Studies Doctoral Program [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom
http://www.griffis-consulting.com |
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| Inger E Johansson |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:47 am |
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David,
I gave you the opportunity long ago that if you had sent me a correct
mailaddress to my mailbox you would have had the information. You didn't
thus you can't complain now.
Inger E
"David Johnson" <trolleyfan_spamfree@earthlink.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:Xns94D26A5227822trolleyfanearthlinkn@207.217.125.204...
Quote: Katherine Griffis-Greenberg <egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com
wrote in news:toad801nk8ec57hql06jjdg1inn6e2cbri@4ax.com:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:55:34 GMT, Philip Deitiker
Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
To Inger:
No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
them, then get out of science groups.
Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
all?
I've asked that myself. Guess what? She didn't answer...
David
--
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David Johnson home.earthlink.net/~trolleyfan
"You're a loony, you are!"
"They said that about Galileo, they said that about Einstein..."
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| Philip Deitiker |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:01 pm |
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> says in
news:VTxhc.56813$mU6.234106@newsb.telia.net:
Quote: Doug,
are you a scholar? I thought every scholar knew how to
follow the references presented within refered text written
in a reference. It takes time to do so. I know it's much
easier to have other doing the search and validation. I
will not do yours.
I did not present any references, nor did you. I presented some
'light' reading material that might explain where in the vast
oblivian of hell where in the devil you come from.
The reference if any is in france and Doug probably does not
have access to that information unless the claimant, you,
provides it. It is incredibly selfish, rude, unscholarly to make
a claim based on a obscure reference and then not make a fair
use disclosure as to what is in the reference.
--
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Evol. of Xchrom.
http://home.att.net/~DNAPaleoAnth/xlinked.htm
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| Philip Deitiker |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:02 pm |
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| Tom McDonald |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:17 pm |
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Inger E Johansson wrote:
Quote: Katherine,
I don't fail to give references. On the contrary - I have sent the
references for everything over and over in discussions during the years -
contrary to you I know how to do prover studies: either you look closer into
the references given or you have to accept that you have to wait. I am
neither here to do your homework or to repeat the references over and over
again!
We have discussed the details over the last 7 years. If you haven't been
here that long, your problem not mine.
I suggest that you stopp abusing me and that includes your personal attacks
where you have attacked me over and over in the group. Yes I do have the
right to defend myself and Yes I will not take anything alike the lines
below from you anymore.
Inger E
Wow! Now *that's* the pot calling the St. Louis Arch black!
Tom McDonald
Quote: "Katherine Griffis-Greenberg" <egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> skrev
i meddelandet news:toad801nk8ec57hql06jjdg1inn6e2cbri@4ax.com...
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:55:34 GMT, Philip Deitiker
Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
To Inger:
No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
them, then get out of science groups.
Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions purposely, and then
complains about it?
Sad.
(20 more to go and only 9 days left).
So what happens when she reaches 50? I seem to have missed that.
--
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
Oriental Institute
Oriental Studies Doctoral Program [Egyptology]
Oxford University
Oxford, United Kingdom
http://www.griffis-consulting.com
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| Philip Deitiker |
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:37 pm |
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