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| Philip Deitiker |
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| Philip Deitiker |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:43 am |
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Njygaard <Nandonites@hotmail.com> says in
news:63df80tqj8fq89gcisfb15rjpfi8ds2nih@4ax.com:
[quote:7ee6101986]On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:02:25 GMT, Philip Deitiker
Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> wrote:
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> says in
news:toad801nk8ec57hql06jjdg1inn6e2cbri@4ax.com:
So what happens when she reaches 50? I seem to have
missed that.
Do you have any excess bottles of Irish Whiskey laying
around.
There is no such thing as an excess bottle of whiskey. If
you don't know this, you are clearly not fit to own one.
Mail me for shipping instructions.
[/quote:7ee6101986]
Hey, you have to wait, Inger still needs 20 more excuses and
then you can send me your bottles.
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| Inger E Johansson |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:13 am |
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"Njygaard" <Nandonites@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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[quote:0bb774121e]On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:02:25 GMT, Philip Deitiker
Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> wrote:
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> says in
news:toad801nk8ec57hql06jjdg1inn6e2cbri@4ax.com:
So what happens when she reaches 50? I seem to have missed
that.
Do you have any excess bottles of Irish Whiskey laying around.
There is no such thing as an excess bottle of whiskey. If you don't
know this, you are clearly not fit to own one. Mail me for shipping
instructions.
[/quote:0bb774121e]
Btw. I will be 55 years old in August and I do like good whiskey with a
spoon or two of water in it. But don't serve it with ice. That's to ruin a
good whiskey.
Inger E
[quote:0bb774121e]
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| Yuri Kuchinsky |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:10 am |
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In sci.archaeology Katherine Griffis-Greenberg <egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> wrote:
: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:53:10 -0600, "Tedd Jacobs"
: <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
:>"Katherine Griffis-Greenberg" wrote...
:>> Philip Deitiker in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
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:>> To Inger:
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:>> >No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
:>> >them, then get out of science groups.
:>>
:>> Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
:>> which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
:>> all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions purposely, and then
:>> complains about it?
:>>
:>> Sad.
:>
:>what's sadder is that knowing this the group continues to reply.
: True. Well, I'm done. It's apparent to me that Inger will never give a
: proper citation for *any* claim she makes,
Why do you think is that? Do you think it's a matter of principle with her
never to give a proper citation?
Yuri.
Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku
Alexandrians are adepts at flattery and imposture and hypocrisy, ready
enough with fawning words, but causing universal disaster with their
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| Horace LaBadie |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:21 am |
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In article <a458909b.0404212152.591a64f8@posting.google.com>,
m_zalar@hotmail.com (Michael Zalar) wrote:
[quote:1f4ce768df]Horace LaBadie <hwlabadiejr@nospamhighstream.net> wrote in message
news:<hwlabadiejr-989EFE.07473821042004@corp-radius.supernews.com>...
[/quote:1f4ce768df]
SNIP
[quote:1f4ce768df]Nowhere does Larsson associate the Masonic cipher with Hebrew. That is
your idea. You are aware that "tablets of the law" could equally well
refer to something else, aren't you? Tweleve Tables of the Law, for
instance?
Normally when a person talks about the "tablets of Law", he is
speaking of the 10 commandments, and note further that Larsson was
talking about a style which was "first in the world", which I would
assume means an ancient text of some sort. Yes, I suppose it is
possible that Larsson wa suggesting the script was supposed to be
Roman, or perhaps even Greek, though the symbols look considerably
more like Hebraic than the other two.
[/quote:1f4ce768df]
"Normally" is contextual. What is the context here? The only context
provided is Oden (sic), the Norse deity in his earthly avatar.
It is known that the cipher is not Hebrew. The relative modernity of the
cipher is known. What purpose, other than to contrive a red herring that
will distract from the obvious implications for the dating of the
associated material, is there in the insistence in a spurious derivation
of the cipher from Hebrew?
[quote:1f4ce768df]If he had been copying from a book, he would have copied the Tic Tac Toe
matrix for the substitution.
HWL
Not necessiarily. He has limited space on the first of his notes, and
he would have ended up using more space if he had drawn a full grid,
rather than just the symbols.
[/quote:1f4ce768df]
No, he would not, as the diagrams provided demonstrate.
[quote:1f4ce768df]Or Larsson may have just wanted the
simple A=# correspondence that he used. Or the book may have described
the set up but used only the correspondence - which would have been
easier to show (it is difficult to put both a latin letter and a dot
or double dot in a box).
[/quote:1f4ce768df]
No, it is not, as the diagrams provided demonstrate.
[quote:1f4ce768df]However, if he had been shown the "secret code" by another party, I
think it more likely that he would have been shown using the matrix
technique.
[/quote:1f4ce768df]
No, he would have written down the resulting cipher, and have been
warned *not* to include the matrix.
HWL |
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| Martin Reboul |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:04 pm |
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
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[quote:ecf427650f]
"Njygaard" <Nandonites@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:63df80tqj8fq89gcisfb15rjpfi8ds2nih@4ax.com...
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:02:25 GMT, Philip Deitiker
Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> wrote:
Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> says in
news:toad801nk8ec57hql06jjdg1inn6e2cbri@4ax.com:
So what happens when she reaches 50? I seem to have missed
that.
Do you have any excess bottles of Irish Whiskey laying around.
There is no such thing as an excess bottle of whiskey. If you don't
know this, you are clearly not fit to own one. Mail me for shipping
instructions.
Btw. I will be 55 years old in August and I do like good whiskey with a
spoon or two of water in it. But don't serve it with ice. That's to ruin a
good whiskey.
[/quote:ecf427650f]
And water doesn't? Dear me! |
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| Martin Reboul |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:05 pm |
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"Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@clio.trends.ca> wrote in message
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[quote:58484ea068]In sci.archaeology Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> wrote:
: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:53:10 -0600, "Tedd Jacobs"
: <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
:>"Katherine Griffis-Greenberg" wrote...
:>> Philip Deitiker in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
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:>> To Inger:
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:>> >No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
:>> >them, then get out of science groups.
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:>> Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
:>> which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
:>> all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions purposely, and then
:>> complains about it?
:
:>> Sad.
:
:>what's sadder is that knowing this the group continues to reply.
: True. Well, I'm done. It's apparent to me that Inger will never give a
: proper citation for *any* claim she makes,
Why do you think is that? Do you think it's a matter of principle with her
never to give a proper citation?
[/quote:58484ea068]
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| Doug Weller |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:38 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:10:53 GMT, Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
[quote:333bd85b21]In sci.archaeology Katherine Griffis-Greenberg <egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> wrote:
: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:53:10 -0600, "Tedd Jacobs"
: <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
:>"Katherine Griffis-Greenberg" wrote...
:>> Philip Deitiker in sci.archaeology, wrote the following:
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:>> To Inger:
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:>> >No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail to support
:>> >them, then get out of science groups.
:
:>> Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives pointers to sites
:>> which don't prove what she says they do, why does she bother to post at
:>> all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions purposely, and then
:>> complains about it?
:
:>> Sad.
:
:>what's sadder is that knowing this the group continues to reply.
: True. Well, I'm done. It's apparent to me that Inger will never give a
: proper citation for *any* claim she makes,
Why do you think is that? Do you think it's a matter of principle with her
never to give a proper citation?
[/quote:333bd85b21]
It's clear at least in some cases that she doesn't because she can't.
Doug |
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| Martin Reboul |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:58 pm |
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"Horace LaBadie" <hwlabadiejr@nospamhighstream.net> wrote in message
news:hwlabadiejr-7B949B.12214522042004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
[quote:52243860e6]In article <a458909b.0404212152.591a64f8@posting.google.com>,
m_zalar@hotmail.com (Michael Zalar) wrote:
Horace LaBadie <hwlabadiejr@nospamhighstream.net> wrote in message
news:<hwlabadiejr-989EFE.07473821042004@corp-radius.supernews.com>...
SNIP
Nowhere does Larsson associate the Masonic cipher with Hebrew. That is
your idea. You are aware that "tablets of the law" could equally well
refer to something else, aren't you? Tweleve Tables of the Law, for
instance?
Normally when a person talks about the "tablets of Law", he is
speaking of the 10 commandments, and note further that Larsson was
talking about a style which was "first in the world", which I would
assume means an ancient text of some sort. Yes, I suppose it is
possible that Larsson wa suggesting the script was supposed to be
Roman, or perhaps even Greek, though the symbols look considerably
more like Hebraic than the other two.
"Normally" is contextual. What is the context here? The only context
provided is Oden (sic), the Norse deity in his earthly avatar.
It is known that the cipher is not Hebrew. The relative modernity of the
cipher is known. What purpose, other than to contrive a red herring that
will distract from the obvious implications for the dating of the
associated material, is there in the insistence in a spurious derivation
of the cipher from Hebrew?
If he had been copying from a book, he would have copied the Tic Tac Toe
matrix for the substitution.
HWL
Not necessiarily. He has limited space on the first of his notes, and
he would have ended up using more space if he had drawn a full grid,
rather than just the symbols.
No, he would not, as the diagrams provided demonstrate.
Or Larsson may have just wanted the
simple A=# correspondence that he used. Or the book may have described
the set up but used only the correspondence - which would have been
easier to show (it is difficult to put both a latin letter and a dot
or double dot in a box).
No, it is not, as the diagrams provided demonstrate.
However, if he had been shown the "secret code" by another party, I
think it more likely that he would have been shown using the matrix
technique.
No, he would have written down the resulting cipher, and have been
warned *not* to include the matrix.
[/quote:52243860e6]
One has to be cautious when going into such things in detail, I can't really
say any more than that.
I don't know if you are on the level Horace, but I think Michael's wisdom
doesn't encompass certain knowledge that would prove useful. In other words,
"Tablets of Law" does not necessarily refer to those contained within the Ark
of the Covenant - there are others. Carved on stone by a craftsman of course,
but not so old and not so unavailable to those who are aware of them. I can
square him up no further than that really, I think I've said quite enough, and
wish to cause no distress.
Salutations
Martin |
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| Horace LaBadie |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:27 pm |
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In article <c694is$a8h$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Martin Reboul" <martin@SPAMFUKreboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[quote:9be18f7340]"Horace LaBadie" <hwlabadiejr@nospamhighstream.net> wrote in message
news:hwlabadiejr-7B949B.12214522042004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
[/quote:9be18f7340]
SNIP
[quote:9be18f7340]No, he would have written down the resulting cipher, and have been
warned *not* to include the matrix.
One has to be cautious when going into such things in detail, I can't really
say any more than that.
I don't know if you are on the level Horace, but I think Michael's wisdom
doesn't encompass certain knowledge that would prove useful. In other words,
"Tablets of Law" does not necessarily refer to those contained within the Ark
of the Covenant - there are others. Carved on stone by a craftsman of course,
but not so old and not so unavailable to those who are aware of them. I can
square him up no further than that really, I think I've said quite enough, and
wish to cause no distress.
Salutations
Martin
[/quote:9be18f7340]
It isn't all that mysterious:
http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemasons/mason02.html
"The Lodge, cubical in shape, is hung in crimson. Three lights, in a
triangle, are in the North; five lights, in a pentagon, are in the
South; seven lights, in a heptagon, are in the West; and nine lights, in
three triangles, are in the East. The Pillar of Beauty is in the
Northeast, with the Table of Shewbread and Seven-Branched Candlestick.
A "Pillar of Enoch" (rough-hewn marble pieces put together, with
Enochian characters on it) is in the Southeast, with the Altar of
Incense and Tablets of the Law. To the West of the main chamber is the
Sacred Vault, approached by a long passage of nine arches."
HWL |
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| Philip Deitiker |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:47 pm |
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"Martin Reboul" <martin@SPAMFUKreboul1471.freeserve.co.uk>
says in news:c6934u$mns$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:
[quote:ded2fbbb34]Yet many of us have carefully read everything, and still
been unsatisfied. Especially when told we 'know nothing' or
are unfit to give our opinion.
[/quote:ded2fbbb34]
I have refereed a fair number of papers in my life. I have sent
many back because of ambiguities and poorly selected English.
Inger's grammar and english is very typical of a person whose
primary language is not English. There are some occasions in
which the manuscript is so poorly worded I can't even referee it
so it goes back for a full-technical rewrite before refereeing.
This is possibly 1 in 20 papers from non-english speaking
persons. Inger, often, falls into the second catagory, if what
she typed were a paper, a substantial number of posts would need
to be returned because the English is too ambiguous to fairly
critique.
[quote:ded2fbbb34]They
stop with spelling-errors made due to my dyslexia or argue
about a detail in the way I have expressed myself instead
of discussing subject-lines.
That is unfair, I agree. This all gets too 'personal'
sometimes, and your command of English should not be an
issue. However (and I hate to say this almost as much as "I
told you so!"), *you started it* - by being ill-mannered,
arrogant, uncompromising and patronising. And aggressive.
Same goes for Seppo and Yuri - most people just won't put
up with it, they either ignore you or annoy you in return.
[/quote:ded2fbbb34]
I read her posts despite her spelling errors, reading through
them as if they aren't there. However, her grammar, that is a
bit of a different stories. Inger converts colloquial native
tongue into english and it does not transfer well. I suggests
that she stick to the queen's english if she can. I recommend
that she learn technical English, or at least technical Swedish
and stick to translations from technical Swedish into English.
The deal with Inger, she's not dislexic, we all know this is
an excuse, she may have a language problem when she gets
excited, that's also fine. But the reason she is getting excited
is because she seems unable to control the incredible nature of
some of her claim-defenses. If she could just learn to hold back
40% of what she throws out, learn to eat humble pie rather than
pick the next fight, she probably wouldn't be forced into making
desparate defenses of spurious claims.
How does the saying go, a Zebra cannot change from stripes. So
Inger. If everyone here agrees to put her in their plonk file, I
will make also an effort not to respond to her.
--
Philip
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| Philip Deitiker |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:48 pm |
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| Philip Deitiker |
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> says in
news:S_Uhc.90545$dP1.274914@newsc.telia.net:
[quote:86629d8157]
"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i
meddelandet
news:z4lanyd4b7da.aig0pyr5a3q8$.dlg@40tude.net...
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:10:53 GMT, Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
In sci.archaeology Katherine Griffis-Greenberg
egylist@deadspamgriffis-consulting.com> wrote:
: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:53:10 -0600, "Tedd Jacobs"
: <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> in sci.archaeology, wrote
: the following:
:>"Katherine Griffis-Greenberg" wrote...
:>> Philip Deitiker in sci.archaeology, wrote the
:>> following:
:
:>> To Inger:
:
:>> >No, it is your problem, if you make claims but fail
:>> >to support them, then get out of science groups.
:
:>> Since Inger fails to give proper references and gives
:>> pointers to
sites
:>> which don't prove what she says they do, why does she
:>> bother to post
at
:>> all? It is as if she invites abuse by her actions
:>> purposely, and then complains about it?
:
:>> Sad.
:
:>what's sadder is that knowing this the group continues
:>to reply.
: True. Well, I'm done. It's apparent to me that Inger
: will never give
a
: proper citation for *any* claim she makes,
Why do you think is that? Do you think it's a matter of
principle with
her
never to give a proper citation?
It's clear at least in some cases that she doesn't because
she can't.
Now you are lying Doug. I can for every thing I have
written to the groups. But after trying the first three
years to get you and others to understand that you can't
only take a citation out of context that's no use to do
more than the normal way or references -
Historian/Scholar/Author; Prime source/work/book; chapter
and sometimes page; edition and year. That's the normal way
to present references.
[/quote:86629d8157]
You have presented stuff to the group, and when your critiques
have claimed your evidence is not evidence in support of what
you have said you then create diversions. Doug is not lying, you
are, the point is that you simply fail to produce evidence of a
quality that can support your claim. Evidence in not evidence
because you say it is, it's evidence because other equally or
better trained scholars say it is. Science is not a pursuit of 1
but many, it is a collective.
--
Philip
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| Martin Reboul |
| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:49 pm |
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"Horace LaBadie" <hwlabadiejr@nospamhighstream.net> wrote in message
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[quote:586063b874]In article <c694is$a8h$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Martin Reboul" <martin@SPAMFUKreboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
"Horace LaBadie" <hwlabadiejr@nospamhighstream.net> wrote in message
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SNIP
No, he would have written down the resulting cipher, and have been
warned *not* to include the matrix.
One has to be cautious when going into such things in detail, I can't
really
say any more than that.
I don't know if you are on the level Horace, but I think Michael's wisdom
doesn't encompass certain knowledge that would prove useful. In other
words,
"Tablets of Law" does not necessarily refer to those contained within the
Ark
of the Covenant - there are others. Carved on stone by a craftsman of
course,
but not so old and not so unavailable to those who are aware of them. I
can
square him up no further than that really, I think I've said quite enough,
and
wish to cause no distress.
Salutations
Martin
It isn't all that mysterious:
http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemasons/mason02.html
"The Lodge, cubical in shape, is hung in crimson. Three lights, in a
triangle, are in the North; five lights, in a pentagon, are in the
South; seven lights, in a heptagon, are in the West; and nine lights, in
three triangles, are in the East. The Pillar of Beauty is in the
Northeast, with the Table of Shewbread and Seven-Branched Candlestick.
A "Pillar of Enoch" (rough-hewn marble pieces put together, with
Enochian characters on it) is in the Southeast, with the Altar of
Incense and Tablets of the Law. To the West of the main chamber is the
Sacred Vault, approached by a long passage of nine arches."
[/quote:586063b874]
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| Martin Reboul |
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"Alan Crozier" <alan.crazier@telia.com> wrote in message
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[quote:2ce7e84e84]"Martin Reboul" <martin@SPAMFUKreboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
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Btw. I will be 55 years old in August and I do like good whiskey with a
spoon or two of water in it. But don't serve it with ice. That's to ruin
a
good whiskey.
And water doesn't? Dear me!
In this case, Inger is absolutely right, Martin. That's exactly the way I
learned to drink whiskey in its homeland, Ireland.
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Ah... I prefer Scotch... being English.
Not to say that I'm not fond of Bushmills and Jamesons... but I know little of
Irish whisky. Even so, I don't like ice or water in any whisky. Unfortunately,
there is a growing trend in the UK to put ice in everything, as the Americans
do, which leads to bad habits, as I have to drink whisky served up so very
quickly before it gets diluted. I expect they sell more that way?
I can tolerate a splash of ginger ale in the ghastly, cheap turps that they
serve as 'house whisky' in some pubs, and am partial to whisky and ginger wine
on occasions (cold occasions), but for me, a Speyside single malt every time.
To be quite honest, I'll actually drink almost anything, but I do prefer
decent stuff - and undiluted, apart from Absinthe (yummy!) Pernod, Ricard and
Ouzo. Each to their own as I always say.
Cheers
Martin |
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