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| Jo Schaper |
| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:31 pm |
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shooter_sd@yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: http://wedeserveapark.blogspot.com/2007/09/oregonian-supports-mount-st-helens.html
This is a stupid idea in my opinion. Tourists don't care if it is a
national park, monument, forest or whatever-- if they come, they want to
see the elephant.
The problem is this: (Quoted from the MSH VolcanoCam site:)
"Mount St. Helens is located in the Pacific Northwest where it has
either just stopped raining, is currently raining, or is getting ready
to rain. The camera site is at an elevation of approximately 4,500 feet.
It is located approximately 5 miles north-northwest from the volcano,
and looks across the North Fork Toutle River Valley. This is an area
which receives more than 100 inches of rain a year. Most likely, you are
looking at rain, clouds, fog, and/or a combination of the three.
There is nothing wrong with the VolcanoCam or the image."
My husband has been there three times, and has yet to see the volcano.
Neither NPS nor USFS has any control over Washington state weather.
We've both got science training, and like to got to such places. Your
average visitor who drives 200 miles out of their way to see a cloudy
drizzle isn't likely to return on the less than 50% odds to actually see
the volcano.
Secondly: a change of management would likely negatively impact the
other rec uses of the mountain, such as skiing, caving (Ape Cave is
*inside* of MSH), hunting, fishing and other consumptive activities
which are regulated but still permitted within parts of the monument.
Instead of cruising for National Park status, this effort would be
better directed at getting congressional financial and political support
for recreational use of the US Forest Service Lands. "Multi-use" is part
of their mission; and recreation is one of those uses.
Send $$$ to the U$ Forest $ervice, instead of placing another burden on
the NPS.
BTW-- the USFS actually has *geologists* and some seismic folk on site
staffing the Johnston Ridge Volcano Observatory, in addition to the USGS
staff. The NPS these days have very very few geo-savvy interpreters even
at the Grand Canyon! |
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| Jo Schaper |
| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 3:42 pm |
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BTW, USFS has no budget for the MSH VolcanoCam, despite all the
publicity it gets for it. Some non-profit called the NW Interpretive
Assn. provides funds, and the USFS staff donates time as possible. For
example, right now, their VolcanoCam webmaster is on fire duty elsewhere.
The state of all federal parks funding is abysmal -- watch how your
congresscritter votes, and hound him or her for more money if these
things are important to you. That's a good thing. But MSH is ALREADY (as
a national monument) being run by the USFS to NPS monument standards, as
well as the budget allows. It is the budget (and the science/parks
budgets in general) which need increasing for all recreational
landholding agencies. If I could, I'd designate 1/4 of all my personal
federal taxes to their cause. |
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| Weatherlawyer |
| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:45 am |
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On Sep 23, 9:42 pm, Jo Schaper <jonot34schape...@56socketdot.net>
wrote:
Quote: BTW, USFS has no budget for the MSH VolcanoCam, despite all the
publicity it gets for it. Some non-profit called the NW Interpretive
Assn. provides funds, and the USFS staff donates time as possible. For
example, right now, their VolcanoCam webmaster is on fire duty elsewhere.
The state of all federal parks funding is abysmal -- watch how your
congresscritter votes, and hound him or her for more money if these
things are important to you. That's a good thing. But MSH is ALREADY (as
a national monument) being run by the USFS to NPS monument standards, as
well as the budget allows. It is the budget (and the science/parks
budgets in general) which need increasing for all recreational
landholding agencies. If I could, I'd designate 1/4 of all my personal
federal taxes to their cause.
You'd be wasting your time and your money.
Politicians seem to do their best to make a pig's ear of things.
Perhaps that was why the US voted for a rabid monkey? "Heyaah!. Send
it to hell in a hand basket."
Perhaps hoping he'd make a pig's ear of that commission and thus make
things better all round.
Not a good idea. |
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| Jo Schaper |
| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:19 am |
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Weatherlawyer wrote:
Quote: On Sep 23, 9:42 pm, Jo Schaper <jonot34schape...@56socketdot.net
wrote:
BTW, USFS has no budget for the MSH VolcanoCam, despite all the
publicity it gets for it. Some non-profit called the NW Interpretive
Assn. provides funds, and the USFS staff donates time as possible. For
example, right now, their VolcanoCam webmaster is on fire duty elsewhere.
The state of all federal parks funding is abysmal -- watch how your
congresscritter votes, and hound him or her for more money if these
things are important to you. That's a good thing. But MSH is ALREADY (as
a national monument) being run by the USFS to NPS monument standards, as
well as the budget allows. It is the budget (and the science/parks
budgets in general) which need increasing for all recreational
landholding agencies. If I could, I'd designate 1/4 of all my personal
federal taxes to their cause.
You'd be wasting your time and your money.
Politicians seem to do their best to make a pig's ear of things.
Perhaps that was why the US voted for a rabid monkey? "Heyaah!. Send
it to hell in a hand basket."
Perhaps hoping he'd make a pig's ear of that commission and thus make
things better all round.
Not a good idea.
I'm not naive on politics. That's why I tend to vote against people,
rather than for people-- getting people out and newer folks in (for a
few year until they get on the gravy train, and then bounce them, too.)
However, the lack of concern of the people for the parks and scientific
stewardship, and consequently the lack of funding is real. The Johnston
Ridge Volcano Observatory is an excellent way/place to introduce people
to the use of seismic monitoring as it impacts public safety. USGS and
USFS are doing a pretty good job here actually showing people the
science, but it takes money to continue improve it.
At MSH, this stuff is right out front. When at Yellowstone NP some years
back, we visited their research area at Mammoth Hot Springs, which is
pretty much hidden from the day to day visitor. It was like pulling
teeth to find info on the geology from park staff at Grand Canyon. We
found only one program on that topic in the week we were there, and no
research center at all.
My point remains: transferring MSH to NPS isn't a good idea, either.
Apparently the Forest Service is on the verge of closing down some
visitor facilities there, which is the reason for the plea. |
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| Weatherlawyer |
| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm |
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On Sep 24, 3:19?pm, Jo Schaper <jonot34schape...@56socketdot.net>
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Quote: Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Sep 23, 9:42 pm, Jo Schaper <jonot34schape...@56socketdot.net
wrote:
BTW, USFS has no budget for the MSH VolcanoCam, despite all the
publicity it gets for it. Some non-profit called the NW Interpretive
Assn. provides funds, and the USFS staff donates time as possible. For
example, right now, their VolcanoCam webmaster is on fire duty elsewhere.
The state of all federal parks funding is abysmal -- watch how your
congresscritter votes, and hound him or her for more money if these
things are important to you. That's a good thing. But MSH is ALREADY (as
a national monument) being run by the USFS to NPS monument standards, as
well as the budget allows. It is the budget (and the science/parks
budgets in general) which need increasing for all recreational
landholding agencies. If I could, I'd designate 1/4 of all my personal
federal taxes to their cause.
You'd be wasting your time and your money.
Politicians seem to do their best to make a pig's ear of things.
Perhaps that was why the US voted for a rabid monkey? "Heyaah!. Send
it to hell in a hand basket."
Perhaps hoping he'd make a pig's ear of that commission and thus make
things better all round.
Not a good idea.
I'm not naive on politics. That's why I tend to vote against people,
rather than for people-- getting people out and newer folks in (for a
few year until they get on the gravy train, and then bounce them, too.)
However, the lack of concern of the people for the parks and scientific
stewardship, and consequently the lack of funding is real. The Johnston
Ridge Volcano Observatory is an excellent way/place to introduce people
to the use of seismic monitoring as it impacts public safety. USGS and
USFS are doing a pretty good job here actually showing people the
science, but it takes money to continue improve it.
At MSH, this stuff is right out front. When at Yellowstone NP some years
back, we visited their research area at Mammoth Hot Springs, which is
pretty much hidden from the day to day visitor. It was like pulling
teeth to find info on the geology from park staff at Grand Canyon. We
found only one program on that topic in the week we were there, and no
research center at all.
My point remains: transferring MSH to NPS isn't a good idea, either.
Apparently the Forest Service is on the verge of closing down some
visitor facilities there, which is the reason for the plea.
Well, good luck. The park system was boulstered by Theodore Roosevelt
against the wishes of the rest of the fart cats. Nothing has changed
there then.
And you can't get elected if you are not on the gravy train. If there
is a dirty trick then it is already well used by all and sundry in
politics.
If you want proof if there is a god you only have to look at the
actions of the godless and see the alternative. Personally I'd insist
that anyone who wants to govern should be castrated and work for his
keep.
Even then I wouldn't trust the bstrd. |
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