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Abdullah Eyles
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:51 am
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We need a method of suspending powder in a chamber 1 cubic meter in
volume.

What is the best system? I was thinking of having the base-plate of
the chamber covered with holes through which air flows, thus keeping
the powder in suspension.

The powder is talc., we are using the chamber to test equipment to
IP5x standard.

We have access to compressed air, electricity etc.
Uncle Al
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 8:55 am
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Abdullah Eyles wrote:
Quote:

We need a method of suspending powder in a chamber 1 cubic meter in
volume.

What is the best system? I was thinking of having the base-plate of
the chamber covered with holes through which air flows, thus keeping
the powder in suspension.

The powder is talc., we are using the chamber to test equipment to
IP5x standard.

We have access to compressed air, electricity etc.

If you put a charge on a dielectric powder in a chamber with the same
sign wall charge it will tend to stay suspended - electrostatic
sprayer used for dispersion rather than deposition. Work out
electrostatic repulsion vs. gravitation, with settling kinetics vs.
particle size and shape governed by Stokes law. Add a fan for
circulation.

Don't try this with a flammable solid.

If you fill your chamber with white mineral oil or glycerin the
particulates won't settle in real time. Ditto water with a little
carboxymethyl cellulose and the particulates. Mix well without
bubbles, then make the pH alkaline. When it is time to clean up, make
it acid again.

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Gregg
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:42 pm
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"Abdullah Eyles" <agulesin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:62155ce7.0308150551.3d2d3b97@posting.google.com...
Quote:
We need a method of suspending powder in a chamber 1 cubic meter in
volume.

What is the best system? I was thinking of having the base-plate of
the chamber covered with holes through which air flows, thus keeping
the powder in suspension.

The powder is talc., we are using the chamber to test equipment to
IP5x standard.

We have access to compressed air, electricity etc.
Do you need to keep the powder dry? or can you suspend it in a fluid?

If you plan on using a fluidized bed (your plate with holes drilled in it) -
There are porous plastics and ceramics typically used for fluidized bed
membranes. If you can coat the Talc with a silane (this is very easy to
o) - the Talc will hold an electrostatic charge and will be easier to
fluidize.
There are also other additives used for powders which can it's performance
in a fluidized bed.
I have head stories of people getting Zapped from the electrostatic charge
buildup in fluidized beds so be careful and keep everything grounded.
- If your interested I can provide some limited information on specific
additives, vendors etc.
Good luck!
Gregg
Mark Thorson
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:21 pm
Guest
Gregg wrote:

Quote:
There are also other additives used for powders which can it's
performance in a fluidized bed.

In the pharmaceutical industry, additives to improve the flow
of powders are called glidants. Fumed silica is the best and
most commonly used glidant.
Bob
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:16 pm
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IP5x is tested according to a standard, and this standard does not allow for
a talc suspended in a fluidized bed. The talc should be moved by a
circulating air stream.




"Gregg" <gcrume@adelphia.net> schreef in bericht
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Quote:

"Abdullah Eyles" <agulesin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:62155ce7.0308150551.3d2d3b97@posting.google.com...
We need a method of suspending powder in a chamber 1 cubic meter in
volume.

What is the best system? I was thinking of having the base-plate of
the chamber covered with holes through which air flows, thus keeping
the powder in suspension.

The powder is talc., we are using the chamber to test equipment to
IP5x standard.

We have access to compressed air, electricity etc.
Do you need to keep the powder dry? or can you suspend it in a fluid?
If you plan on using a fluidized bed (your plate with holes drilled in
it) -
There are porous plastics and ceramics typically used for fluidized bed
membranes. If you can coat the Talc with a silane (this is very easy to
o) - the Talc will hold an electrostatic charge and will be easier to
fluidize.
There are also other additives used for powders which can it's performance
in a fluidized bed.
I have head stories of people getting Zapped from the electrostatic charge
buildup in fluidized beds so be careful and keep everything grounded.
- If your interested I can provide some limited information on specific
additives, vendors etc.
Good luck!
Gregg

Abdullah Eyles
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 5:57 am
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"Bob" <robert.desmet@planetinternet.be> wrote in message news:<bhr8bg$kft$1@reader10.wxs.nl>...
Quote:
IP5x is tested according to a standard, and this standard does not allow for
a talc suspended in a fluidized bed. The talc should be moved by a
circulating air stream.


Thanks for the news, Bob. I am glad we found that out before too late!

Now another question: can we transport the talc using an air-stream
generated by compressed air? Through a venturi, I imagine...

I don't want to pass the talc through a fan because it cakes up on the
blades and doesn't do the fan a lot of good...

TIA
Bob
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:21 pm
Guest
We have used a centrifugal fan for 20 years without a problem. The only
maintenance we had to do was a yearly replacement of the gasket around the
shaft of the fan.
The walls of the chamber are fitted with vibrators that worked every few
minutes to shake the talc from the walls.
Hereaus (now part of Weiss Technik) makes a floor standing model of the IP5x
equipment with heaters inside to dry the talc. We never used the heaters,
the talc is sufficiently dispersed by the mechanical action of the fan.

Hope this helps !


"Abdullah Eyles" <agulesin@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
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Quote:
"Bob" <robert.desmet@planetinternet.be> wrote in message
news:<bhr8bg$kft$1@reader10.wxs.nl>...
IP5x is tested according to a standard, and this standard does not allow
for
a talc suspended in a fluidized bed. The talc should be moved by a
circulating air stream.


Thanks for the news, Bob. I am glad we found that out before too late!

Now another question: can we transport the talc using an air-stream
generated by compressed air? Through a venturi, I imagine...

I don't want to pass the talc through a fan because it cakes up on the
blades and doesn't do the fan a lot of good...

TIA
 
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