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On Aug 29, 5:01 am, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net>
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Quote: Larken "the pony" Rose wrote
You can't stand up to the truth.
When have you posted the truth?
§ 61 Gross income defined.
(a) General definition.
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all income
from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the following
items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe benefits,
and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
(  Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(9) Annuities;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.
§ 861 Income from sources within the United States.
(a) Gross income from sources within United States.
The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources
within the United States:
(1) Interest.
(2) Dividends.
(3) Personal services.
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;
(4) Rentals and royalties.
(5) Disposition of United States real property interest.
(6) Sale or exchange of inventory property.
( Social security benefits.
And you already know that taxable income is gross income less deductions,
expenses and exemptions allowed by the law.
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If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia
Must be "taxable" income before it is classes as "Gross income."
All indexes point to Sec 861.
www.theft-by-deception.com
http://www.losthorizons.com/Cracking_the_Code.htm
But then again you know this is all true.
You just can't stand to know you are helping fleece the average Joe
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| Paul Thomas, CPA |
| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:01 am |
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Rosie the Riveter wrote
Quote: Must be "taxable" income before it is classes as "Gross income."
Where does it say that?
Where does it place taxable income before gross income?
Quote: All indexes point to Sec 861.
Ok then......
§ 861 Income from sources within the United States.
(a) Gross income from sources within United States.
The following items of gross income shall be treated as
income from sources within the United States:
(1) Interest.
(2) Dividends.
(3) Personal services.
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;
(4) Rentals and royalties.
(5) Disposition of United States real property interest.
(6) Sale or exchange of inventory property.
( Social security benefits.
Nope, nothing there that points to taxable income coming before gross
income.
All you have to do is post where it says that taxable income is to be
determined before determining gross income.
OR
All you have to do is post the Code Section that says "only corporate
income" is taxable. Hell, I'll settle for a citation to the US Constitution
that says that.
It's your claim - you have to put up now - or put out in prison.
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Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:31 am |
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On Aug 29, 9:01 am, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Quote: Rosie the Riveter wrote
Must be "taxable" income before it is classes as "Gross income."
Where does it say that?
Where does it place taxable income before gross income?
All indexes point to Sec 861.
Ok then......
§ 861 Income from sources within the United States.
(a) Gross income from sources within United States.
The following items of gross income shall be treated as
income from sources within the United States:
(1) Interest.
(2) Dividends.
(3) Personal services.
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;
(4) Rentals and royalties.
(5) Disposition of United States real property interest.
(6) Sale or exchange of inventory property.
( Social security benefits.
Nope, nothing there that points to taxable income coming before gross
income.
All you have to do is post where it says that taxable income is to be
determined before determining gross income.
OR
All you have to do is post the Code Section that says "only corporate
income" is taxable. Hell, I'll settle for a citation to the US Constitution
that says that.
It's your claim - you have to put up now - or put out in prison.
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Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Read:
www.theft-by-deception.com
http://www.losthorizons.com/Cracking_the_Code.htm |
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| Richard Macdonald |
| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:50 pm |
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<knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1188402764.432669.209320@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 29, 5:01 am, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Quote: Larken "the pony" Rose wrote
You can't stand up to the truth.
When have you posted the truth?
§ 61 Gross income defined.
(a) General definition.
Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, gross income means all
income
from whatever source derived, including (but not limited to) the
following
items:
(1) Compensation for services, including fees, commissions, fringe
benefits,
and similar items;
(2) Gross income derived from business;
(3) Gains derived from dealings in property;
(4) Interest;
(5) Rents;
(6) Royalties;
(7) Dividends;
( Alimony and separate maintenance payments;
(10) Income from life insurance and endowment contracts;
(11) Pensions;
(12) Income from discharge of indebtedness;
(13) Distributive share of partnership gross income;
(14) Income in respect of a decedent; and
(15) Income from an interest in an estate or trust.
§ 861 Income from sources within the United States.
(a) Gross income from sources within United States.
The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from
sources
within the United States:
(1) Interest.
(2) Dividends.
(3) Personal services.
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United
States;
(4) Rentals and royalties.
(5) Disposition of United States real property interest.
(6) Sale or exchange of inventory property.
( Social security benefits.
And you already know that taxable income is gross income less deductions,
expenses and exemptions allowed by the law.
Must be "taxable" income before it is classes as "Gross income."
All indexes point to Sec 861.
Evem more totally unsupportable ginbberish as taxable income is
clearly defined in the IRC by 26 USC 63.
§ 63. Taxable income defined
(a) In general
Except as provided in subsection (b), for purposes of this subtitle,
the term "taxable income" means gross income minus the deductions
allowed by this chapter (other than the standard deduction).
(b) Individuals who do not itemize their deductions
In the case of an individual who does not elect to itemize his deductions
for the taxable year, for purposes of this subtitle, the term "taxable
income"
means adjusted gross income, minus-
The assertion that Taxable Income comes before gross Income is totally
falicious as Taxable income is clearly defined as Gross income AFTER
deductions. There is no such thisg as ""taxable" income" as that is what
Gross Income is, income that is subject to being taxed, versus Exempt
Income, which is income that is not subject to being taxed. Chewey
clearly does not understand the language used in the IRC.
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Richard A. Macdonald, CPA/EA
SSG(Ret), USA, ADA, 16P34
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| Richard Macdonald |
| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:56 pm |
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<knews4u2chew@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 29, 9:01 am, "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascp...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Quote: Rosie the Riveter wrote
Must be "taxable" income before it is classes as "Gross income."
Where does it say that?
Where does it place taxable income before gross income?
All indexes point to Sec 861.
Ok then......
§ 861 Income from sources within the United States.
(a) Gross income from sources within United States.
The following items of gross income shall be treated as
income from sources within the United States:
(1) Interest.
(2) Dividends.
(3) Personal services.
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United
States;
(4) Rentals and royalties.
(5) Disposition of United States real property interest.
(6) Sale or exchange of inventory property.
( Social security benefits.
Nope, nothing there that points to taxable income coming before gross
income.
All you have to do is post where it says that taxable income is to be
determined before determining gross income.
OR
All you have to do is post the Code Section that says "only corporate
income" is taxable. Hell, I'll settle for a citation to the US
Constitution
that says that.
It's your claim - you have to put up now - or put out in prison.
--
Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it.
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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Read:
Chewey, go read 861(b):
§ 861. Income from sources within the United States
(a) Gross income from sources within United States
The following items of gross income shall be treated
as income from sources within the United States:
(1) Interest
.. . .
(b) Taxable income from sources within United States
From the items of gross income specified in subsection (a) as
being income from sources within the United States there shall
be deducted the expenses, losses, and other deductions properly
apportioned or allocated thereto and a ratable part of any expenses,
losses, or other deductions which cannot definitely be allocated to
some item or class of gross income. [Pay particular attention to the
next
sentence as Larken's entire argument relies on ignoring this sentence.]
The remainder, if any, shall be included in full as taxable income from
sources within the United States. In the case of an individual who does
not itemize deductions, an amount equal to the standard deduction shall
be considered a deduction which cannot definitely be allocated to some
item or class of gross income.
Again Taxable Income comes FROM Gross Income, not the other way around,
your "Holy Grail' Section 861 even says so.
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Richard A. Macdonald, CPA/EA
SSG(Ret), USA, ADA, 16P34
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| Paul Thomas, CPA |
| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:04 pm |
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Rosie "the whipping boy" wrote
Why can't you just post the law that supports what you claim the law says?
If the law says what you say it says, then it should be simple to post the
words of the law.
Kind of like these words in Section 861, where it clearly says that
compensation for labor is treated as income.
§ 861 Income from sources within the United States.
(a) Gross income from sources within United States.
The following items of gross income shall be treated as
income from sources within the United States:
(1) Interest.
(2) Dividends.
(3) Personal services.
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;
(4) Rentals and royalties.
(5) Disposition of United States real property interest.
(6) Sale or exchange of inventory property.
( Social security benefits.
How hard is it for you to prove what you claim?
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"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For
those who do not, none will suffice." - Joseph Dunniger
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
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