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Bryan Heit
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:25 pm
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bigvince wrote:
<snip>

First thing I would point out is I posted multiple studies; you
cherry-picked one which fit your bias. Why didn't you bother with the
others?

We, of course, all know the answer to that. You're too cowardly to
actually read the papers who's abstracts appear to counter your beliefs.
I read the entirety of your paper (which you apparently have not read
yourself). At the very least you could try and read a few of the
multiple papers I linked too....

As for your re-posting of the abstract, as I've pointed out before the
abstract isn't the paper. If you read the entirety of your paper,
rather then its abstract, you'll see the authors are more negative about
the accuracy of their results then the abstract will suggest, and that
the looked exclusively at studies using sunscreens which don't block UVA
- the known risk-factor for melanoma. You'd also notice that most of
their studies were conducted decades ago; long before effective
sunscreens even existed.

Bryan
John H.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:13 am
Guest
Well Jan,

Just today there was a news release from Australia that found low vitamin D
levels double the risk of the breast cancer. This mirrors other studies and
no you don't have to take excessive amounts of vitamin D. Sunshine is best,
it is not UV exposure but UV damage that is the problem One study I read
found that overall cancer incidence declined with sun exposure but not sun
damage. The timing is tricky, avoid those high UV times. Incidentally, a
Lancet study found that sun exposure increased serotonin levels. Hence
cloudy days and gloomy spirits ... .

Vitamin D, or more specifically a downstream product, tgf beta, plays a very
important role in protecting the brain from alzheimers. The list is long,
you don't need that much sun to get damage, many supplements simply are not
absorbed well (vitamin D must be oil based), and the sun helps stabilise
circadian rhythms which improves sleeping patterns. And vitamin D plays an
important role in modulating inflammatory responses, this via tgf beta
presumably.

It for these and many other reasons that Professor Holick recently
published, "The UV Advantage". I haven't read it but I've seen enough of the
research. As for the skin cancer epidemic, well all those people do want to
get tanned the silly buggers ... .

PS: MS and vitamin D linkage known for decades. MS is a "Th 1 mediated
autoimmune disease". That is, it has an inflammatory component. Vitamin D
tends to shift the immune response to a Th 2 type, which is often
preferable. Chronic inflammation itself is increasingly been seen as a
cancer driver.


"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6%wqi.59$qa3.36@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
Quote:

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:f8d2m1$9et$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
bigvince wrote:
Vitamin d [sun exposure] and MS " Childhood sun exposure may
lower risk of MS"
"People who spent more time in the sun as children may have a lower
risk of developing multiple sclerosis (MS) than people who had less
sun exposure during childhood, according to a study published in the
July 24, 2007, issue of Neurology®, the medical journal of the
American Academy of Neurology.

snip abstract

An interesting finding, but not unexpected. There is a long-established
link between UV exposure and immune function - notably that UV exposure
results in immune suppression (this is why people often get sick after
getting a bad sunburn). Since MS is an autoimmune disease - i.e. caused
by excessive immune function, anything which reduces immune function
could
potentially reduce the incidence & severity of MS.

There is also the vitamin d angle, although that is still an early
result
and is somewhat controversial.

Unfortunately, the authors of the study did not look for correlations
between MS and skin cancer - this finding is only useful if the
additional
sun exposure was not enough to increase rates of skin cancer. After all,
exchanging MS for melanoma isn't exactly "therapy".



http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/childhood-sun-exposure-may-lower-risk-ms-1376

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Quote:
As recent studies have shown vitamin d linked to a 50 % or greater
reduction in certain cancers . One can only wonder if conventional
medicines advice to avoid sun exposure [ the most natural source of
vitamin d ] has caused more harm then good. Thanks Vince

That's a no-brainer. Firstly, medical advice is not to avoid sun, but
rather to protect yourself from UV. Since conventional methods of UV
protection (sunscreen, clothes) do not block enough of the light
responsible for Vit D synthesis - even in patients who have to wear
sunscreen full-time due to pigmentation problems.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermTo

Search=9418761
Quote:

The reasons are simple - firstly, only some of the frequencies of light
which can "fix" VitD are blocked by sunscreen, meaning that sunscreen
has
only a small impact on the rate of synthesis. Secondly, many foods
(i.e.
dairy products) have high levels of the "fixed" form of VitD already
(and
some have extra added during processing), so you can get it from your
diet.

The second point worth making is that the recently reported advantages
of
high VitD intake are controversial - only a few studies have identified
the supposed benefits, and the levels of VitD where those benefits were
observed are close to levels where VitD becomes toxic (and are far above
normal intakes). So until additional studies, including those looking
for
long-term consequences, are undertaken, those studies seeing advantages
to
high vitD intake should be taken with a grain of salt.

The final point worth making is that the link between excessive UV
exposure and melanoma is well established and unquestioned. The form of
skin cancer caused by UV exposure (melanoma) is also one of the most
lethal cancers out there. So if you're worried about VitD, take a VitD
supplement and slap on the sunscreen. Because the potential benefits of
high VitD are far, far, far outweighed by the risks of melanoma.

Bryan

http://www.newstarget.com/019360.html

By Mike Adams


Do you realize that one of the most powerful cures for cancer is streaming
over our heads each and every day, free of charge? It's sunlight, which is
astounding in its ability to prevent and cure cancer. If it were a
mainstream drug, it would probably make the cover of Time magazine and be
heralded as the greatest medical breakthrough in the history of modern
science. It's that good.
Sunlight exposure reduces the risk of many cancers by more than 50 percent
and even helps reverse certain types of cancers through the creation of
vitamin D in the body. It's a magnificent natural healing modality, and
it's
been right in front of our eyes, every single day, since before Homo
sapiens
even evolved on this planet. Yet somehow, after spending billions of
dollars
on so-called medical research to find "cures" for various cancers, almost
no
one from the world of mainstream medicine has yet acknowledged the healing
power of natural sunlight and vitamin D.


None of them have actually prescribed sunlight to patients, except for
perhaps a handful of pioneering researchers like Dr. Michael Holick, who
was
attacked for speaking out about the truth of sunlight and cancer. By and
large, the medical community has not only ignored this truly miraculous
cure
for many types of cancer; it has worked hard to discredit it.


If there were ever a reason to lose faith in conventional medicine, or
so-called modern medicine, it is simply the fact that one of the greatest
cures and prevention strategies for cancer goes completely ignored by
nearly
the entire conventional medical community. It's as if there were a miracle
medicine invented, but conventional medical doctors didn't want anyone to
find out about it. Why aren't researchers promoting cures that are
available
for free?


Protecting the medical dogma
The medical community doesn't want to promote cures it did not invent.
When
nature offers a cure, that's not very satisfying to the egos of drug
company
researchers and scientists. A drug company only wants to promote cures
that
it can patent and exploit for financial gain. The way it perpetuates the
cycle is to make sure that the cancer treatments it controls get a lot
more
press and hype than any natural treatments. You don't see sunlight
promoted
in full-page advertisements for its ability to prevent or reverse cancer.
Instead, the medical community uses the full-page advertisement for
high-profit prescription drugs that have negative side effects and
actually
kill people.


More at link
tedhutchinson
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:47 am
Guest
Quote:
That's a no-brainer. Firstly, medical advice is not to avoid sun, but
rather to protect yourself from UV. Since conventional methods of UV
protection (sunscreen, clothes) do not block enough of the light
responsible for Vit D synthesis - even in patients who have to wear
sunscreen full-time due to pigmentation problems.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView...
Search=9418761

Since that research was issued in 1999 idea of what NORMAL and what is
OPTIMAL Vitamin d status has moved on as has the accuracy of measuring
Vitamin d status.
Without reading the whole paper is difficult to guess what they
understand by " mean values of serum 25-OHD were low normal," But
OPTIMAL vitamin d status is now regarded as 125nmol/L and Hollis
argues in http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=17218096
Circulating Vitamin D3 and 25-hydroxyvitamin D in Humans: that we
should regard 100nmol/L as the safe minimum levels that ensures all
the body's systems can operate without being limited by lack of
substrate.
Any idea you can obtain OPTIMAL vitamin D status while wearing full
sunblock/clothing photoprotection is misguided.
Heaney shows in Effects of Above Average Summer Sun Exposure on Serum
25-Hydroxyvitamin D and Calcium Absorption
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/87/11/4952?ijkey=4c6193988d513e548c9972a8680cfecb6476a7bd&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha
that outdoor workers (Omaha) obtain only 2800iu/d vitamin D averaged
over the year and were thus insufficient during the Winter.
Safe non-burning regular limited full body sun exposure is the best
way of ensuring your bodies largest peripheral endocrine organ
functions as nature intended and manufactures the Vitamin D needed to
power those 51 tissue types and 200+ gene driven enzyme actions that
produce the anti inflammatory, anti cancer, and anti biotic functions
where and when they are needed.
erach27@gmail.com
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:47 am
Guest
Hi,
The book Manav Mootra (auto-urine therapy) clearly records a case
where "Multiple Sclerosis" is cured.

You can ask questions of Dr Lodha at Lodha's Urine Therapy.

Here is an extract of the book "Manav Mootra". I am finishing the
extract and will put more.

*********
Erach
*********
URINE THERAPY EXTRACTS FROM THE BOOK "Manav Mootra, Seventh Edition,
May 1997 by Raojibhai Manibhai Patel
(this book is available on amazon.co.uk) This book has a foreword by
Dr Jivraj N. Mehta, Former Chief Minister, Gujarat State, Ahmedabad
and
Its First English Edition is in December 1963.

(page xxiii: Auto-urine therapy at a glance)

Auto-urine treatment is a sort of nature-cure treatment. A patient
suffering from any disease can take this treatment without any
hesitation as it is harmless and innocent. If this experiment may not
cure the disease, at least it won't do any harm to the patient. A
person who wants to take this treatment, should ordinarily observe the
following instructions:

1. Beginning/Fasting and Drinking of Urine:
Auto-urine treatment should be started by observing fasts for one to
four days as per one's own capacity. During the fast auto-urine
should be taken three to four times a day. Boiled water may be taken
during the fasts. The first portion and last portion of the morning
urine should be discarded and the rest of the urine should be taken.
After the fasts are over the urine should be taken regularly during
the whole treatment. If the patient is not able to observe fast he
may begin with taking cow's milk or goat's milk with "moong" water in
a small quantity.

(Comment: moong is a very light pulse or dal. In Mumbai, you get
jaljeera which is "moong" water).

2. Restrictions on Diet:
After the fasts are over, as stated above, liquid food should be taken
viz., cow's or goat's milk, moong water, vegetable soups and then
gradually should take simple food like well-cooked rice, fruits other
than bananas and chikus being very sweet. Black peppers, spices,
oil, chilis, etc. must be totally avoided. Tea and coffee should also
be given up. If the patient has got the habit of taking tea or
coffee, it should be gradually given up and meanwhile the tea and
coffee when taken should be taken in milk form. Non-vegetarian diet,
smoking of bidi or cigarettes and alcoholic drinks should totally be
stopped.

3. Massage:
Alongwith drinking one's own urine the massaging with one's own urine
is also necessary and important. The patient should massage softly
his whole body particularly the affected part with one's own four to
five days old urine as per the instructions given in the book "Manav
Mootra". The cotton cloth-pad wetted with one's own urine can be laid
on the affected part. A patient with eye disease should wash his eyes
thrice of four times a day with one's own urine with the help of an
eye bowl.

A cloth-pad wetted with auto-urine can be placed on the eyes at night.
(COMMENT: For mental illness Dr Lodha of google group "Lodha's Urine
Therapy" advises one to drink urine through the nose throughout the
day. This is done by lying on the ground and taking a plastic syringe
without injection and squeezing urine into the nostrils. This is also
good for eye diseases. For eye diseases one is advised to wash one's
eye in an eye bowl full of urine. You can ask Dr Lodha of google
group "Lodha's Urine Therapy" questions on Urine Therapy).

After massaging or rubbing the whole body lightly with auto-urine, two
to three hours should be allowed to pass before taking the bath. If
possible sun-rays should be taken in the interval before taking the
bath. At the time of taking bath, use of soap should be avoided.
"Aritha" should be used instead of a bath soap. (Comment: Or one could
use gram-flour/besan mixed with yogurt/dahi and sandalwood powder
optionally and scrub one self with it).

4. Motion should be clear:
It is most important to see that the patient should have a clear
motion in the morning daily. If the patient does not get clear
motion, enema should be taken of auto-urine with warm water.
Glycerine syringe can also be taken. CLEAR MOTION CAN BE HAD by
applying cloth-pad wetted with auto-urine on the lower port of the
abdomen.
(COMMENT: The liver removes toxic material through the gall bladder
into the bile duct and hence into the intestine).

5. General
ALL SORTS OF MEDICINES SHOULD BE stopped generally when the auto-urine
treatment is going on. IF IT IS INEVITABLE TO TAKE ANY MEDICINE, IT
MAY BE TAKEN DURING THE COURSE OF THE AUTO-URINE EXPERIMENT BUT SHOULD
BE GRADUALLY STOPPED.

Thus the important aspects of auto-urine therapy are, fasts, drinking
of the auto-urine, massaging, restriction on diet, and regular clear
motion. Drinking of auto-urine and massaging with auto-urine of four
to five days old should be regularly continued during the experiment.
Liquid-food like "moong" water, goat's or cow's milk, soups of
different leafy green vegetables are all advantageous and helpful.
Only vegetarian food should be taken.
(COMMENT: Fine flour and baked goods of fine flour are not
recommended. Also, you can eat a little food daily. And preferably
use breads of different grains or foods of different grains like rye,
bajra, wheat, mueslix cereal to get all the food.)

Ten to fifteen days after the auto-urine treatment, one should look to
the result achieved during the time. If the patient finds that he is
getting good results the experiment should be continued with full
faith. The experiment should be continued looking to the condition of
the patient's health. Light physical exercise in the morning may be
also help bringing good result. The result of the experiment may be
communicated to the advisory center. The patient should remain in
contact with the centre.

As stated earlier the Auto-Urine Therapy is a Natural Treatment. If
the disease is treated in the early stages, the treatment is very
effective as shown by practical experiments of various diseases.
Moreover there is no harmful effect in any case.

While making correspondence with us the patient's name, the name of
the disease, age of the patient, duration of the disease, etc. must be
clearly mentioned. During the experiment of the auto-urine, the above
particulars as well as the result of the experiment, may please be
mentioned. Please state the number given by us while making
correspondence with us.

Bharat Sevak Samaja (Gujarat)
SHIVAMBU-AUTO URINE THERAPY ADVISORY CENTRE
Lalbhai Sheth's Vanda, Pankore Naka, Ahmedabad.
Phone: 356933, 354345
And
Nashabandhi Mandal
Lal Darwaja, Ahmedabad-1
Phone: 352595

(COMMENT: New Address:
Bharat Sevak Samaj (State office),
B/2 Kruti Apartment,
Near Jahanvi Restaurant, Besides
L.D. Engg. College, University Area,
Ahmedabad 380015
Phone # : -079-26301787

Or call:
Chairman, Bharat Sevak Samaj
Jayantibhai Trivedi: 27432172)

EXPERIMENT ON SELF BY the author of the book presumably.
The author is: Raojibhai Manibhai Patel. This book has a foreword by
Dr Jivraj N. Mehta, Former Chief Minister, Gujarat State, Ahmedabad
and
Its First English Edition is in December 1963.

I came to know of urine therapy during my own ailment. I read the
book on this new system and deliberated on it. But I felt that mere
reading or writing or preaching has no value.

I had gone to Mount Abu for rest in the summer of 1954. There I had
the first attack of asthma. The heart failed to perform its proper
function due to weakness. Consequently, the trachea got filled with
water and my heart began to pant like an engine causing further
weakness. Wrong habits, intemperate living or irregularity of diet,
cause a disorder in the digestive system which affects the heart and
the latter becomes weak and unable to perform its function properly.
My disease began with hyperacidity due to some of these causes which
later on affected the heart. Though hyperacidity was cured by medical
treatment, the weakness of the heart continued.

In February 1958, the attack of the disease was so serious that
doctors and relatives had given up all hopes of my life. The will of
Providence was supreme and I did not die. But due to the weakness of
the heart, asthma, cough, phlegm etc. still persisted. The doctor
diagnosed it as the asthma of the heart. Consequently, he warned me
not to take part in any social activity. I heeded to the warning but
the phlegm and cough did not stop. It was so intense that I could not
take any rest nor get any peace.

On 8th February 1958, I rang up my doctor Shri Jashubhai Bhatt and
acquainted him of my condition. Next day, I went to the Sheth
Lallubhai G. Hospital. The doctor examined me. He screened my heart
and lungs and found some moisture in the right lung which was the
cause of cough and phlegm. The condition was not serious. He
prescribed an injection of Naphtol in order to drain out the water
deposited in the lungs and said that I should pass about 60-70 oz. Of
urine by this treatment. This would clear the lungs and cough and
phlegm would subside. The condition of the heart was not serious. On
the third day I took the same injection and passed about 80 oz. Of
urine in 24 hours but cough and phlegm did not abate. Meanwhile it so
happenned that Shri Juthabhai Shah of Harijan Ashram, Sabarmati, came
to see me. During the conversation he talked about urine treatment.
In February of antecedent year, when I was in a hospital, a friend had
written to me that I could be cured with urine treatment. But I was
helpless at that time.

After almost one year the same proposal came again. Shri Juthabhai
gave me a copy of "The Water of Life" to read and also related his own
experience thereof. I went through the book. It interested me more
and more as I went through its pages. It appeared as if it was
discussing my own case. The old memories about urine were revived. I
was convinced that this treatment must have great possibilities. In
spite of all social and psychological taboos, I made up my mind to
make an experiment with urine. I wished to make it scientific. So I
sent for a doctor whose sincerity was unquestionable and consulted him
and decided to begin the experiment.

(COMMENT: You should massage urine first. There are rapid
palpitations of the heart a few days after starting urine therapy and
the massage reduces the palpitations. I got the palpitations only
once for a few minutes when I started drinking urine).

To keep on the safe side, I began with external application of urine
only. Week-old urine was rubbed on the entire body, my son Shashikant
joyfully undertook this duty. He used to rub me with urine for one
and half hours daily. The time devoted to different parts was as
follows: (1) soles - 10 minutes, (2) legs - 20 minutes; (3) arms - 12
minutes; more time for palms and fingers; (4) chest, stomach, and
abdomen - 15 minutes; (5) back, waist, and both sides - 13 minutes;
(6) head, face, and neck - 20 minutes. In this way the rubbing
continued for 90 minutes in all. This experiment showed that rubbing
if done with love, is very beneficial. Urine massage produced the
following effects on my body : (1) After two days, i.e., 20th february
urine was clear and its passage unobstructed. For this purpose
formerly I used to take Dymox pills which were efficacious only for
two days. An injection used to squeeze out water from all the tissues
took time to recover. By massaging with urine, only that much of
urine was passed as is normal, for a healthy person (2) Before this
rubbing, I suffered from an acute pain in the waist and for standing
up and sitting down, I needed assistance. After a week, I could stand
up and move without any support. (3) The pain in the back also
disappeared. (4) On the ningth day, one more wonderful change was
observed. Before the treatment I felt itching sensation on certain
portions in the upper parts of the legs
 
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