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| JOHN |
 Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:29 am |
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Dr. Tennison Deane of San Francisco, in his Crime of Vaccination, tells a
remarkable story illustrative of this truth.
Dr. Deane relates that he was summering in Northern California in the
late 80's, near a wealthy ranchman who lived with his wife and seven
children on a 10,000-acre ranch in a salubrious pine region, 15 miles from
the nearest town and having no adjacent neighbors. With him on the ranch at
that time was a negro foreman who also had a wife and five children. Until
Dr. Deane appeared on the scene, none of these 16 persons-white nor
black-had ever been vaccinated.
As a zealous young practitioner, very close to his medical school
traditions, Dr. Deane quickly warned these ranch-dwellers of their
"unprotected" state and was able to persuade six of the sixteen-the farmer's
wife and three children, the negro foreman and his 12-year-old son-to submit
to the vaccinating operation. "A year later," writes Dr. Deane, "an epidemic
of sore throats broke out in this ranch colony which developed into
diphtheria in four of the vaccinated, among them the farmer's wife, and one
child died. The unvaccinated recovered rapidly from their sore throats, but
the farmer's wife was paralyzed for a year and eleven years later died of
cancer."
It seems that the San Francisco physician was so impressed by this
unexpected turn of his well-intentioned vaccinating zeal, that he not only
kept tab on the subsequent history of the two families on the northern
ranch, but watched the connection between vaccination and other maladies
occurring in his general practice. He learned that the other four persons
whom he had vaccinated on the ranch all died either of tuberculosis or
cancer within four to twenty-two years from the date of vaccination, while
none of the unvaccinated in either family died within that period except the
white farmer who, he says, "died of old age."
Dr. Deane relates that for many years after this early experience with
vaccination on the Northern California ranch, when a patient came to him
with any serious throat, bronchial or pulmonary trouble, he made a point of
inquiring into his past history, and invariably he found a back-ground of
calf-pus "immunization" against smallpox. Then when he felt he had
sufficient data to warrant it, he published The Crime of Vaccination (in
1913), which brought down on him the wrath of his medical colleagues, and
made his professional life in San Francisco so unhappy that he voluntarily
withdrew from all medical assemblages and finally abandoned all medical
practice except surgery. Hale, Annie Riley. The Medical Voodoo. New York:
Gotham House, 1936. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/hale_voodoo_h.html |
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| Jeff |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:58 am |
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Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff |
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| George Conklin |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:54 pm |
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
And if you want a true history of the 18th and 19th centuries, the book Pox
Americana is the source to go to for variolation stories. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:43 pm |
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On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
I agree. Allopathic medicine killed millions with their treatment for
small pox and cholera in the 19th century.
Today, the allopaths are killing millions with their treatment of
AIDS, and possibly measles in Africa.
Keep up the good work and the lies Jeff.
DrCee. |
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| Jeff |
| Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:25 pm |
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drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:
Quote: On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
I agree. Allopathic medicine killed millions with their treatment for
small pox and cholera in the 19th century.
Sorry, but I never said anything that suggest that I agree with your
statement. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Quote: Today, the allopaths are killing millions with their treatment of
AIDS, and possibly measles in Africa.
Actually, millions are dying of AIDS and thousands of measles because of
a lack of medicine. Vaccination would save around 1000 children a day
from dying from measles.
Quote: Keep up the good work and the lies Jeff.
Sorry, but I don't put words in people's mouths and I don't lie.
Jeff
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:23 am |
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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds
[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.
[1880] That since Vaccination has been rendered obligatory, infantile
syphilis (under one year old) has been increased in England, according to a
Parliamentary return, dated February 25th, 1880, from 472 per million of
births in 1847, to 1,736 per million in 1877, or fourfold; and that other
inoculable diseases, such as pyaemia, scrofula, erysipelas, and bronchitis,
were also augmented in infants. In England, the increase of inoculable
diseases was 20 per cent., notwithstanding an expenditure of 200 millions
sterling since 1850 in sanitary works. Another Parliamentary return (No.
443, Session 1877) demonstrates that 25,000 babies are yearly sacrificed by
diseases excited by Vaccination. International Anti-Vaccination League
points against vaccination 1880 http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html |
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| Jeff |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:15 am |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: "Jeff" <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fw9ei.1547$5h6.1468@trnddc05...
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds
John, please stop putting words in my mouth.
I don't agree with the statements that you attribute to me.
Unless you are able to add something intelligent to this thread, I won't
respond to your nonsense.
<...>
Jeff |
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| Roman Bystrianyk |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:00 am |
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On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_list_item
This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline. Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases. |
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| Jeff |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:21 am |
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
Quote: On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_list_item
This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline.
Wrong, when diseases became less fatal because of better medical care.
Whether you know it or not, infectious disease is still common in the
third world. Well, except for small pox.
Quote: Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.
Not anymore. Scarlet fever still occurs, even in the US (there is no
vaccine against it). Small pox, however, is a thing of the past.
Jeff |
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| Roman Bystrianyk |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:36 am |
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On Jun 21, 10:21 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_lis...
This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline.
Wrong, when diseases became less fatal because of better medical care.
Whether you know it or not, infectious disease is still common in the
third world. Well, except for small pox.
Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.
Not anymore. Scarlet fever still occurs, even in the US (there is no
vaccine against it). Small pox, however, is a thing of the past.
Jeff
Good day.
Please specify which medical care and public health measures you are
referring to and on which dates this care was introduced and how it
impacted disease mortality rates (e.g. John Snow, cholera
investigation, 1849; Waksman, streptomycin, 1944). If possible
specify references. Also, the theory - as expanded upon by Robert
Root-Bernstein (Professor of Physiology at Michigan State) -
indicating the lethally of organisms are greatly amplified when they
are in combination over when they encountered alone is still highly
significant. This would mean if a person had a virus (smallpox) or a
bacteria (scarlet fever - streptococcus) in isolation the mortality
rate would be low, but together they would result in a lethal
combination. This has implications in other pathogen combinations.
Enjoy your day.
Roman |
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| George Conklin |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:06 pm |
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"Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_list_item
This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline. Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.
George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from humans,
not from cows, which came later. |
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| Roman Bystrianyk |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:00 pm |
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Quote: This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline. Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.
George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from humans,
not from cows, which came later.
FYI
What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone
with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin) for cow is
inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox. |
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| Mark Thorson |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:59 pm |
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George Conklin wrote:
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George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from humans,
not from cows, which came later.
That's not vaccination. That's inoculation. |
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| George Conklin |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:07 pm |
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"Mark Thorson" <nospam@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Quote: George Conklin wrote:
George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from
humans,
not from cows, which came later.
That's not vaccination. That's inoculation.
Both for the same effect. |
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| George Conklin |
| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:07 pm |
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"Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182452443.063101.56550@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Quote: This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline. Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.
George Washington vaccinated his troops. It was done with pus from
humans,
not from cows, which came later.
FYI
What you're referring to is variolation, which is infecting someone
with a weakened smallpox. Vaccination (from the Latin) for cow is
inoculating with cowpox to prevent smallpox.
I also posted the book Pox Americana which described the effect of smallpox
on early America and included a good discussion of variolation. But it had
the same effect as the later cow pox materials...it prevented death. |
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