On Jun 23, 11:40 pm, wri...@l1000.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:
In article <1182535075.867457.226...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Roman Bystrianyk <rbystria...@gmail.com> wrote:

I also posted the book Pox Americana which described the effect of smallpox
on early America and included a good discussion of variolation. But it had
the same effect as the later cow pox materials...it prevented death.

Smallpox vaccination caused death as seen here:
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=35&event=graphs_print_lis...

Thanks very much for this, Roman. The chart shows nicely that from
1875 onwards, the maximum number of persons killed by the vaccine in
England annually was under 70. When you consider how many were killed
by smallpox outbreaks, that "less than 70" number is dwarfed.

You're quite welcome. Unfortunately from 1906 to 1922 there were
similar deaths from smallpox and the vaccine itself. However, there
were more smallpox deaths (255 vs. 180.).

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=36&event=graphs_print_list_item

Also, curiously, as vaccination rates fell from the 1872 pandemic
there was no major resurgence of the disease.

drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message

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I have to disagree. Small pox is not a real killer. It is the
treatment by the docs that do all the killing.

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Dr. Tennison Deane of San Francisco, in his Crime of Vaccination, tells a
remarkable story illustrative of this truth.
Dr. Deane relates that he was summering in Northern California in the
late 80's, near a wealthy ranchman who lived with his wife and seven
children on a 10,000-acre ranch in a salubrious pine region, 15 miles from
the nearest town and having no adjacent neighbors. With him on the ranch at
that time was a negro foreman who also had a wife and five children. Until
Dr. Deane appeared on the scene, none of these 16 persons-white nor
black-had ever been vaccinated.
As a zealous young practitioner, very close to his medical school
traditions, Dr. Deane quickly warned these ranch-dwellers of their
"unprotected" state and was able to persuade six of the sixteen-the farmer's
wife and three children, the negro foreman and his 12-year-old son-to submit
to the vaccinating operation. "A year later," writes Dr. Deane, "an epidemic
of sore throats broke out in this ranch colony which developed into
diphtheria in four of the vaccinated, among them the farmer's wife, and one
child died. The unvaccinated recovered rapidly from their sore throats, but
the farmer's wife was paralyzed for a year and eleven years later died of
cancer."
It seems that the San Francisco physician was so impressed by this
unexpected turn of his well-intentioned vaccinating zeal, that he not only
kept tab on the subsequent history of the two families on the northern
ranch, but watched the connection between vaccination and other maladies
occurring in his general practice. He learned that the other four persons
whom he had vaccinated on the ranch all died either of tuberculosis or
cancer within four to twenty-two years from the date of vaccination, while
none of the unvaccinated in either family died within that period except the
white farmer who, he says, "died of old age."
Dr. Deane relates that for many years after this early experience with
vaccination on the Northern California ranch, when a patient came to him
with any serious throat, bronchial or pulmonary trouble, he made a point of
inquiring into his past history, and invariably he found a back-ground of
calf-pus "immunization" against smallpox. Then when he felt he had
sufficient data to warrant it, he published The Crime of Vaccination (in
1913), which brought down on him the wrath of his medical colleagues, and
made his professional life in San Francisco so unhappy that he voluntarily
withdrew from all medical assemblages and finally abandoned all medical
practice except surgery. Hale, Annie Riley. The Medical Voodoo. New York:
Gotham House, 1936. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/hale_voodoo_h.html

drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.

Jeff

I agree. Allopathic medicine killed millions with their treatment for
small pox and cholera in the 19th century.

Sorry, but I never said anything that suggest that I agree with your
statement. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Today, the allopaths are killing millions with their treatment of
AIDS, and possibly measles in Africa.

Actually, millions are dying of AIDS and thousands of measles because of
a lack of medicine. Vaccination would save around 1000 children a day
from dying from measles.

Keep up the good work and the lies Jeff.

Sorry, but I don't put words in people's mouths and I don't lie.

Jeff



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"Jeff" <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.

As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds

[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.

[1880] That since Vaccination has been rendered obligatory, infantile
syphilis (under one year old) has been increased in England, according to a
Parliamentary return, dated February 25th, 1880, from 472 per million of
births in 1847, to 1,736 per million in 1877, or fourfold; and that other
inoculable diseases, such as pyaemia, scrofula, erysipelas, and bronchitis,
were also augmented in infants. In England, the increase of inoculable
diseases was 20 per cent., notwithstanding an expenditure of 200 millions
sterling since 1850 in sanitary works. Another Parliamentary return (No.
443, Session 1877) demonstrates that 25,000 babies are yearly sacrificed by
diseases excited by Vaccination. International Anti-Vaccination League
points against vaccination 1880 http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html

Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.

And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.

Jeff

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_lis...

This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline.

Wrong, when diseases became less fatal because of better medical care.
Whether you know it or not, infectious disease is still common in the
third world. Well, except for small pox.

Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.

Not anymore. Scarlet fever still occurs, even in the US (there is no
vaccine against it). Small pox, however, is a thing of the past.

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On Jun 20, 7:25 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
I agree. Allopathic medicine killed millions with their treatment for
small pox and cholera in the 19th century.
Sorry, but I never said anything that suggest that I agree with your
statement. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Today, the allopaths are killing millions with their treatment of
AIDS, and possibly measles in Africa.
Actually, millions are dying of AIDS and thousands of measles because of
a lack of medicine. Vaccination would save around 1000 children a day
from dying from measles.

Keep up the good work and the lies Jeff.
Sorry, but I don't put words in people's mouths and I don't lie.

Jeff



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Obviously, you have not done enough research about vaccines. They are
not a medication. They are loaded bullets with ingredients that are
not suppose to go into the human body, but yet, they think that it's
ok because they have the upper hand on brainwashing people into not
having a choice. Do some more reading before you call someone a
liar.

God bless

On Jun 21, 12:23 am, "JOHN" <j...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:fw9ei.1547$5h6.1468@trnddc05...

Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds

[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.

[1880] That since Vaccination has been rendered obligatory, infantile
syphilis (under one year old) has been increased in England, according to a
Parliamentary return, dated February 25th, 1880, from 472 per million of
births in 1847, to 1,736 per million in 1877, or fourfold; and that other
inoculable diseases, such as pyaemia, scrofula, erysipelas, and bronchitis,
were also augmented in infants. In England, the increase of inoculable
diseases was 20 per cent., notwithstanding an expenditure of 200 millions
sterling since 1850 in sanitary works. Another Parliamentary return (No.
443, Session 1877) demonstrates that 25,000 babies are yearly sacrificed by
diseases excited by Vaccination. International Anti-Vaccination League
points against vaccination 1880 http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html

Actually, you should delve into some more research than you have
already done. There are 27,000 babies a year that die in this country
alone from vaccines.

waited until the baby was 2 years old before they gave the shots. In
that 13 years, their death rate went away. I am glad to see that
there are other people out there who are fighting for children. You
keep up the good work and don't let anyone sidetrack you into
believing otherwise. Let's face it, the shots did their job, now it's
time to lay them off and let babies live. God bless

On Jun 21, 7:21 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_lis...
This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline.
Wrong, when diseases became less fatal because of better medical care.
Whether you know it or not, infectious disease is still common in the
third world. Well, except for small pox.

Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.
Not anymore. Scarlet fever still occurs, even in the US (there is no
vaccine against it). Small pox, however, is a thing of the past.

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well, if it is so ramped in the third world countries, then they
should just stay where they are instead of bringing it here......and
yes, there was a vaccine for scarlet fever......and if small pox is a
thing of the past then why do they inject babies with the vaccine?

Stupid, that's all it is

.....population control

brainwashing......watch television and see how many commercials ask
you if you cant sleep........or have a hard time with other
things....the first thing they tell you to do is ask your doctor for a
certain medication. why? do you think that everyone that has had one
bad night of sleep has sleeping problems....hell no.....they just want
you to get that prescription so that your insurance company will pay
for it and make them more money....

On Jun 19, 11:29 pm, "JOHN" <j...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Dr. Tennison Deane of San Francisco, in his Crime of Vaccination, tells a
remarkable story illustrative of this truth.
Dr. Deane relates that he was summering in Northern California in the
late 80's, near a wealthy ranchman who lived with his wife and seven
children on a 10,000-acre ranch in a salubrious pine region, 15 miles from
the nearest town and having no adjacent neighbors. With him on the ranch at
that time was a negro foreman who also had a wife and five children. Until
Dr. Deane appeared on the scene, none of these 16 persons-white nor
black-had ever been vaccinated.
As a zealous young practitioner, very close to his medical school
traditions, Dr. Deane quickly warned these ranch-dwellers of their
"unprotected" state and was able to persuade six of the sixteen-the farmer's
wife and three children, the negro foreman and his 12-year-old son-to submit
to the vaccinating operation. "A year later," writes Dr. Deane, "an epidemic
of sore throats broke out in this ranch colony which developed into
diphtheria in four of the vaccinated, among them the farmer's wife, and one
child died. The unvaccinated recovered rapidly from their sore throats, but
the farmer's wife was paralyzed for a year and eleven years later died of
cancer."
It seems that the San Francisco physician was so impressed by this
unexpected turn of his well-intentioned vaccinating zeal, that he not only
kept tab on the subsequent history of the two families on the northern
ranch, but watched the connection between vaccination and other maladies
occurring in his general practice. He learned that the other four persons
whom he had vaccinated on the ranch all died either of tuberculosis or
cancer within four to twenty-two years from the date of vaccination, while
none of the unvaccinated in either family died within that period except the
white farmer who, he says, "died of old age."
Dr. Deane relates that for many years after this early experience with
vaccination on the Northern California ranch, when a patient came to him
with any serious throat, bronchial or pulmonary trouble, he made a point of
inquiring into his past history, and invariably he found a back-ground of
calf-pus "immunization" against smallpox. Then when he felt he had
sufficient data to warrant it, he published The Crime of Vaccination (in
1913), which brought down on him the wrath of his medical colleagues, and
made his professional life in San Francisco so unhappy that he voluntarily
withdrew from all medical assemblages and finally abandoned all medical
practice except surgery. Hale, Annie Riley. The Medical Voodoo. New York:
Gotham House, 1936. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/hale_voodoo_h.html

If you read my blog, you will see that there are many things that are
not safe.

of deseases and those deseases are nearly void.

children gain their own immunity before injecting them with live
virus'.

company's preservative of choice is mercury. People don't understand
that they are letting their children have injections of something that
we have been told that can kill us.

the 36 shots that they have to receive.

calling it "sudden infant death syndrome".

research on the matter.

But I know that I would never again lose another 5 month old baby to
the hands of people who use harmful ingredients in vaccines. God
bless.

Actually, you should delve into some more research than you have
already done. There are 27,000 babies a year that die in this country
alone from vaccines.

Got proof?

There are 27,000 babies a year that die in this country
alone from vaccines.

On Jun 20, 7:25 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
drcee...@insightbb.com wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
I agree. Allopathic medicine killed millions with their treatment for
small pox and cholera in the 19th century.
Sorry, but I never said anything that suggest that I agree with your
statement. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Today, the allopaths are killing millions with their treatment of
AIDS, and possibly measles in Africa.
Actually, millions are dying of AIDS and thousands of measles because of
a lack of medicine. Vaccination would save around 1000 children a day
from dying from measles.

Keep up the good work and the lies Jeff.
Sorry, but I don't put words in people's mouths and I don't lie.

Jeff



DrCee.- Hide quoted text -
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Obviously, you have not done enough research about vaccines.

They are
not a medication.

They are loaded bullets with ingredients that are
not suppose to go into the human body, but yet, they think that it's
ok because they have the upper hand on brainwashing people into not
having a choice.

Do some more reading before you call someone a
liar. God bless

On Jun 21, 12:23 am, "JOHN" <j...@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Jeff" <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:fw9ei.1547$5h6.1468@trnddc05...

Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
As the Dr said, vaccination killed millions in the 19cent, now the allopaths
are the leading cause of death, 780,000 USA every year plus 400,000 from
cancer and aids meds

[1921] There are no adequate statistics showing these fatalities, but it may
be estimated that in England and Wales no fewer than 6,000 Infants are
Killed every Year by Vaccination. This is perhaps the least part of the
damage. The Great Damage is that caused to Teeth, Eyesight and Constitution,
by the illness of vaccinia forced upon the infant at the most critical and
delicate period of its life. [1921] Vaccination and the State By Arnold
Lupton MP.

[1880] That since Vaccination has been rendered obligatory, infantile
syphilis (under one year old) has been increased in England, according to a
Parliamentary return, dated February 25th, 1880, from 472 per million of
births in 1847, to 1,736 per million in 1877, or fourfold; and that other
inoculable diseases, such as pyaemia, scrofula, erysipelas, and bronchitis,
were also augmented in infants. In England, the increase of inoculable
diseases was 20 per cent., notwithstanding an expenditure of 200 millions
sterling since 1850 in sanitary works. Another Parliamentary return (No.
443, Session 1877) demonstrates that 25,000 babies are yearly sacrificed by
diseases excited by Vaccination. International Anti-Vaccination League
points against vaccination 1880 http://www.whale.to/a/deathssmallpox.html

Actually, you should delve into some more research than you have
already done. There are 27,000 babies a year that die in this country
alone from vaccines.

There was a 13 year study in Japan where they
waited until the baby was 2 years old before they gave the shots. In
that 13 years, their death rate went away. I am glad to see that
there are other people out there who are fighting for children. You
keep up the good work and don't let anyone sidetrack you into
believing otherwise. Let's face it, the shots did their job, now it's
time to lay them off and let babies live. God bless

On Jun 21, 7:21 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
On Jun 20, 8:58 am, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Conveniently, smallpox is not longer a threat. Vaccination wiped it out.
And we are living in the 21st century, not the 19th.
Jeff
http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=33&event=graphs_print_lis...
This graph shows the mortality rate from smallpox and scarlet fever
from 1838 to 1922. Several things are of interest in this graph.
First, despite the fact that the smallpox vaccine was introduced in
1798 and very strict vaccination laws were enacted in England,
smallpox epidemics still raged on until the 1880s when all diseases
began their decline.
Wrong, when diseases became less fatal because of better medical care.
Whether you know it or not, infectious disease is still common in the
third world. Well, except for small pox.

Second, there is a very similar pattern of
epidemics with scarlet fever and smallpox, which suggests a possible
relationship between the two diseases.
Not anymore. Scarlet fever still occurs, even in the US (there is no
vaccine against it). Small pox, however, is a thing of the past.

Jeff- Hide quoted text -

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well, if it is so ramped in the third world countries, then they
should just stay where they are instead of bringing it here

......and
yes, there was a vaccine for scarlet fever

......and if small pox is a
thing of the past then why do they inject babies with the vaccine?

Stupid, that's all it is.....population control and
brainwashing......watch television and see how many commercials ask
you if you cant sleep........or have a hard time with other
things....the first thing they tell you to do is ask your doctor for a
certain medication. why? do you think that everyone that has had one
bad night of sleep has sleeping problems....hell no.....they just want
you to get that prescription so that your insurance company will pay
for it and make them more money....