I don't know any Democrats who are against foreign entanglements.

Sue wrote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Thank you Ms. Sue. You know exactly what I meant. Do you also nitpick
spelling to gloss over content?

No, I did not know what you meant and I freely admit that I have no
understanding of the general content of this thread so there was no
attempt on my part to gloss over content. I read your sentence and
honestly did not know what you were saying. So, I asked. Sorry if
you can't/won't answer. <shrug

After considerable deliberation it seems he meant "how can we keep growth
intact".

Dan is normally brusque / rude btw.

Graham

Stuart Grey wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:51:24 -0400, BR wrote:

One major problem. At this time, without available energy alternatives
suitable for transporation, the demand for oil is inelastic, meaning
that if the price goes up, the demand will not drop very much.

True if the price of oil goes high enough, alternative energy sources
will become more attractive for companies to develop. The problem here
is the long lead times required to develop and deploy the alternatives.

Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal. The Nazis did that during
WW II. One such process is called the Fischer-Tropsch process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

We have plenty of energy resources in the form of coal and nuclear fuels.

There is still the long lead time to get a coal to oil process up and
running on the scale needed to replace oil, the wikipedia article
touches on the environmental problems as well as the poor energy return
on energy invested.

I never said anything about oil profits. Are you out to build a strawman?

Eeyore wrote:


Stuart Grey wrote:


Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal. The Nazis did that during
WW II.


The South Africans still do it.

Apartheid was amassing........

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:30:05 +0000, Dan Bloomquist wrote:


Stuart Grey wrote:


Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal.

Sure they can. Show use the plan........


You're an idiot. A lying, gibbering, moronic idiot.

I've even named the process. You clip that out, and LIE.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:30:45 GMT, Dan Bloomquist
public21@lakeweb.com> wrote:


Eeyore wrote:


Stuart Grey wrote:



Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal. The Nazis did that during
WW II.


The South Africans still do it.

Apartheid was amassing........


Well, that, along with your other weird posts...

Robert Sturgeon wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:05:42 GMT, Dan Bloomquist
public21@lakeweb.com> wrote:

(snips)

Do you expect a citation from a mainstream economist...
Then this is your invention. Write a paper. Otherwise, you are not
making any sense.

It isn't all that complicated. In a free market with
market-clearing prices,

Which pretty much exists nowhere to any useful degree.

supply and demand (as defined by
mainstream economists -- the amount of a good sold at a
given price)

Well, no. Kind of in the ball park, but far more complex than that,
even using the excruciatingly simplified supply and demand curves seen
only in textbooks...

"Supply and Demand" is a model used to set prices based on available
information of trends in the market at a specific time and place and
specified set of economic conditions, which information is quite inexact
in the best of cases. It is hardly 'a number' except that
after-the-fact one might back-calculate some representative value for a
particular time period tailored for a specific audience.

are the very same number.

Hardly.

You obviously can't get any insights from examining them as if they aren't the
very same number.

Well, YOU might not...

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:59:10 -0400, BR wrote:

Stuart Grey wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:51:24 -0400, BR wrote:

One major problem. At this time, without available energy alternatives
suitable for transporation, the demand for oil is inelastic, meaning
that if the price goes up, the demand will not drop very much.

True if the price of oil goes high enough, alternative energy sources
will become more attractive for companies to develop. The problem here
is the long lead times required to develop and deploy the alternatives.

Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal. The Nazis did that during
WW II. One such process is called the Fischer-Tropsch process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

We have plenty of energy resources in the form of coal and nuclear fuels.

There is still the long lead time to get a coal to oil process up and
running on the scale needed to replace oil, the wikipedia article
touches on the environmental problems as well as the poor energy return
on energy invested.

Yes. You also forgot to mention market entry cost. Yes, the
environmentalist, who are lead by anti-American socialist, will do all
they can to frustrate and delay coal to oil production plants as a way to
damage the US economy and national security.

This only highlights that the effort should begin now and we need to
address the issue of the anti-Americans once and for all. We need to
disengage from these foreign entanglements; we've made the terrorist too
rich as it is.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:40:17 -0500, Stuart Grey
stuart.grey@comcast.net> wrote:


On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:59:10 -0400, BR wrote:


Stuart Grey wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:51:24 -0400, BR wrote:


One major problem. At this time, without available energy alternatives
suitable for transporation, the demand for oil is inelastic, meaning
that if the price goes up, the demand will not drop very much.

True if the price of oil goes high enough, alternative energy sources
will become more attractive for companies to develop. The problem here
is the long lead times required to develop and deploy the alternatives.

Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal. The Nazis did that during
WW II. One such process is called the Fischer-Tropsch process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

We have plenty of energy resources in the form of coal and nuclear fuels.

There is still the long lead time to get a coal to oil process up and
running on the scale needed to replace oil, the wikipedia article
touches on the environmental problems as well as the poor energy return
on energy invested.

Yes. You also forgot to mention market entry cost. Yes, the
environmentalist, who are lead by anti-American socialist, will do all
they can to frustrate and delay coal to oil production plants as a way to
damage the US economy and national security.

This only highlights that the effort should begin now and we need to
address the issue of the anti-Americans once and for all. We need to
disengage from these foreign entanglements; we've made the terrorist too
rich as it is.


Hey Stuart, are you becoming a convert to
Washingtonian/Jeffersonian neutrality? If so, it has taken
you quite a while, but welcome aboard! OF COURSE it has
been our foreign entanglements (especially the occupation of
Iraq) that have damaged our country and made us so many
enemies, and then made those enemies richer (and us poorer
-- to the tune of several hundred billion Dollars per year).

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:40:17 -0500, Stuart Grey
stuart.grey@comcast.net> wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:59:10 -0400, BR wrote:

Stuart Grey wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:51:24 -0400, BR wrote:

One major problem. At this time, without available energy alternatives
suitable for transporation, the demand for oil is inelastic, meaning
that if the price goes up, the demand will not drop very much.

True if the price of oil goes high enough, alternative energy sources
will become more attractive for companies to develop. The problem here
is the long lead times required to develop and deploy the alternatives.

Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal. The Nazis did that during
WW II. One such process is called the Fischer-Tropsch process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

We have plenty of energy resources in the form of coal and nuclear fuels.

There is still the long lead time to get a coal to oil process up and
running on the scale needed to replace oil, the wikipedia article
touches on the environmental problems as well as the poor energy return
on energy invested.

Yes. You also forgot to mention market entry cost. Yes, the
environmentalist, who are lead by anti-American socialist, will do all
they can to frustrate and delay coal to oil production plants as a way to
damage the US economy and national security.

This only highlights that the effort should begin now and we need to
address the issue of the anti-Americans once and for all. We need to
disengage from these foreign entanglements; we've made the terrorist too
rich as it is.

Hey Stuart, are you becoming a convert to
Washingtonian/Jeffersonian neutrality? If so, it has taken
you quite a while, but welcome aboard! OF COURSE it has
been our foreign entanglements (especially the occupation of
Iraq) that have damaged our country and made us so many
enemies, and then made those enemies richer (and us poorer
-- to the tune of several hundred billion Dollars per year).

Robert Sturgeon wrote:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:40:17 -0500, Stuart Grey
stuart.grey@comcast.net> wrote:


On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:59:10 -0400, BR wrote:


Stuart Grey wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:51:24 -0400, BR wrote:


One major problem. At this time, without available energy alternatives
suitable for transporation, the demand for oil is inelastic, meaning
that if the price goes up, the demand will not drop very much.

True if the price of oil goes high enough, alternative energy sources
will become more attractive for companies to develop. The problem here
is the long lead times required to develop and deploy the alternatives.

Gasoline and diesel fuel can be made from coal. The Nazis did that during
WW II. One such process is called the Fischer-Tropsch process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer-Tropsch_process

We have plenty of energy resources in the form of coal and nuclear fuels.

There is still the long lead time to get a coal to oil process up and
running on the scale needed to replace oil, the wikipedia article
touches on the environmental problems as well as the poor energy return
on energy invested.

Yes. You also forgot to mention market entry cost. Yes, the
environmentalist, who are lead by anti-American socialist, will do all
they can to frustrate and delay coal to oil production plants as a way to
damage the US economy and national security.

This only highlights that the effort should begin now and we need to
address the issue of the anti-Americans once and for all. We need to
disengage from these foreign entanglements; we've made the terrorist too
rich as it is.


Hey Stuart, are you becoming a convert to
Washingtonian/Jeffersonian neutrality? If so, it has taken
you quite a while, but welcome aboard! OF COURSE it has
been our foreign entanglements (especially the occupation of
Iraq) that have damaged our country and made us so many
enemies, and then made those enemies richer (and us poorer
-- to the tune of several hundred billion Dollars per year).

You guys are whacked. Like our thirst for cheap oil is a conspiracy.
Shit, we don't even pay for it. We just hand over U.S. securities.
Dollar hegemony is a powerful thing and it is buying you the good life....

In misc.survivalism Stuart Grey <stuart.grey@comcast.net> wrote:

We need to
disengage from these foreign entanglements; we've made the terrorist too
rich as it is.

And the best way to do that is to elect Democrats.

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:16:29 +0000, Dan Bloomquist wrote:

You guys are whacked. Like our thirst for cheap oil is a conspiracy.
Shit, we don't even pay for it. We just hand over U.S. securities.
Dollar hegemony is a powerful thing and it is buying you the good life....

Yep. We cannot maintain our negative balance of trade. We need to become
energy independent, using domestic coal and nuclear power, and we need to
cut off trade with China, which is very harmful to the American economy.

On the other hand, your "thirst for cheap oil" crap is pure leftist tin
hat fabrications.

You argue on the one hand that we don't pay for it and
it's cheap.

, and with the other argue that the oil companies are price
gouging because they're making a billions in profits (yet, return a below
average 7% ROI).

Which is it? Cheap oil, or price gouging? Pick a pony and ride it.

Flip side of the same coin. Why limit yourself to a marginally less evil
choice?