You know, that website has been debunked itself on many occasions.

In fact, one time I remember them saying something like 'acupuncture
is a load of crap and doesn't do jack $hit'.

On Jun 14, 1:12 pm, Kisame Hoshigaki

absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You know, that website has been debunked itself on many occasions.

In fact, one time I remember them saying something like 'acupuncture
is a load of crap and doesn't do jack $hit'.

Despite the fact that you've adopted Uncle Otie's writing .. um ..
"style," the idea of "Proof by Assertion" is rather looked down upon
around these parts.

Here's the article. A little research wouldn't kill you.

Sadly.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html

Here is what happens to ANY medical person who
"objects" to the grinding majority-opinion that
a negative refractive STATE of the fundamental
eye can not be PREVENTED.

Bates> Between 1886 and 1891 I was a lecturer at the Post Graduate
Hospital and Medical School. The head of the institution was Dr.
D. B. St. John Roosa. He was the author of many books, and was
honored and respected by the whole medical profession. At the
school they had got the habit of putting glasses on the
nearsighted doctors, and I had got the habit of curing them
without glasses. It was naturally annoying to a man who had put
glasses on a student to have him appear at a lecture without them
and say that Dr. Bates had cured him. Dr. Roosa found it
particularly annoying, and the trouble reached a climax one
evening at the annual banquet of the faculty when, in the presence
of one hundred and fifty doctors, he suddenly poured out the vials
of his wrath upon-my head.

He said that I was injuring the reputation of the Post
Graduate by claiming to cure myopia. Every one knew that Donders
said it was incurable, and I had no right to claim that I knew
more than Donders. I reminded him that some of the men I had
cured had been fitted with glasses by himself. He replied that if
he had said they had myopia he had made a mistake. I suggested
further investigation. "Fit some more doctors with glasses for
myopia," I said, "and I will cure them. It is easy for you to
examine them afterwards and see if the cure is genuine." This
method did not appeal to him, however. He repeated that it was
impossible to cure myopia, and to prove that it was impossible he
expelled me from the Post Graduate, even the privilege of
resignation being denied to me.

The fact is that, except in rare cases, man is not a
reasoning being. He is dominated by authority, and when the facts
are not in accord with the view imposed by authority, so much the
worse for the facts. They may, and indeed must, win in the long
run; but in the meantime the world gropes needlessly in darkness
and endures much suffering that might have been avoided.

Dr. W. H. B.

Moral of this story in two parts:

1. You can never "win".

2. Read #1

Otis

On Jun 12, 8:57 pm, "otisbr...@pa.net" <otisbr...@pa.net> wrote:



Dear Dr. W. H. Bates,

Since you were kicked out of a medical school for
your expressed opinion, (by your book), the
majority-opinion people here consider you discredited.

I doubt that you will get an intelligent response.

Otis

On Jun 12, 8:09 am, William Horatio Bates <Kyazek...@googlemail.com
wrote:

Mike T,

I am interested in a statement you made earlier -

"Bad vision causes strain. Strain doesn't cause bad vision."

How do you measure that?- Hide quoted text -

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Dear Neil Brooks,

Subject: A "biography" of Bates.

This is a particularly "well-written" biography -

Brief Biography of W.H. Bates, MD

The National Cyclopaedia of American Biography, vol 24, pp. 383-4.

BATES, William Horatio, physician, was born in Newark, N.J., Dec. 23,
1860, the son of Charles and Amelia (Halsey) Bates. He was graduated
A.B. at Cornell university in 1881 and received his medical degree at
the college of physicians and surgeons in 1885. Establishing a
practice in New York city, he served for a time as clinical assistant
at the Manhattan Eye and Ear hospital and was attending physician at
Bellevue hospital, 1886-88, the New York Eye infirmary, the Northern
dispensary and the Northeastern dispensary, 1886-98.

He was an instructor in ophthalmology at the New York Post-Graduate
medical school and hospital, 1886-91. In his professional work Bates
at first devoted his attention to the various organs of the head but
finally restricted himself to the eye alone. He resigned his hospital
appointments in 1896 and for several years engaged in experimental
work. After practicing for several years at Grand Forks,
North.Dakota., he returned to New York and was attending physician at
the Harlem hospital during 1907-22.

In his researches Bates proved exerimentally that the normal fixation
of the eye is central, but never stationary, and the technique
developed by him for treating imperfect eye sight without the use of
glasses was based on this principle. This technique was the practical
application of the psychological theory of the field of consciousness,
which is predicated as a point of focus, the so-called point of
apperception, surrounded by a field of increasing vagueness.

His method was to develop central fixation by training the patient in
the dual art of relaxing and focusing the eyes. While carrying on his
experiments he developed a method of photographing the eye to reveal
changes in surface curvature as the eye functioned. The work is
discussed in "A Study of Images Reflected from the Cornea, Iris, Lens,
and Sclera" (N.Y. Med. Jour., May 18, 1918).

His researches on the influence of memory upon the function of vision
are described in "Memory as an Aid to Vision" (N.Y.Med. Jour., May 24,
1919). In 1894, while seeking to determine the therapeutic effect on
the eye of the active principles of the ductless glands, he discovered
the stringent and hemostatic properties of the aqueous extract of the
suprarenal capsule, later commercialized as adrenalin.

In 1896 he announced this discovery in a paper read before the New
York Academy of Medicine. He introduced a new operation for the relief
of persistent deafness in 1886, consisting of puncturing or incising
the ear drum membrane.

He published a book, "Perfect Eyesight Without Glasses" (1919), which
he had to issue at his own expense, expounding his theories which were
for the most part contrary to established ophthalmological practice.
He also wrote articles describing his methods. He was a member of the
New York State Medical Society and was affiliated with the Dutch
Reformed church. He was fond of sports, especially of tennis in which
he won several awards and while living in North Dakota was state
champion. He was an excellent runner and at the advanced age of fifty-
eight was still able to win a prize.

Bates was a quiet, modest man, a serious student of literature and
astronomy, with a fondness for children. He was married three times:
(1) in 1883, to Edith Kitchell of New York city, by whom he had one
son, Halsey Bates; she died in 1886; (2) to Margaret Crawford, who
died in 1927, leaving two children, William Crawford, and Milo Bates,
wife of Charles McComb; and (3) Aug. 9, 1928, to Mrs. Emily (Ackerman)
Lierman, daughter of Robert Ackerman, of Newark, N.J. Bates died in
New York city, July 10, 1931.

-http://www.vision-training.com/Bates/Biography.htm

KH

Dear Kisame Hoshigaki,

Sci.med.vision is of course AGAINST BATES, and
any and all PREVENTIVE methods.

But people like Dr. Jacob Liberman Ph.D.,
advocate and support Bates. See:

http://www.exerciseyoureyes.com/

He has a good book on the subject.

Dear Kisame Hoshigaki,

Sci.med.vision is of course AGAINST BATES, and
any and all PREVENTIVE methods.