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| Archimedes Plutonium |
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:43 am |
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Yesterday I posted about a Journal of Anatomy abstract by Dr. Young
who has written about clubbing and stonethrowing. Today I have this
issue of clubbing better resolved and this is of particular concern to
me since I am the author of the Stonethrowing theory that transformed
apelike creatures into humans. That Stonethrowing created bipedalism
and stonethrowing was the chief cause that led to our species.
But I must address this problem of clubbing. There is no doubt that
clubbing served a important role in human evolution. But clubbing
alone did not transform apelike to humanlike. It helped but was a
minor help and a secondary behaviour. The primary behaviour to
transformed apelike to humanity is Stonethrowing.
Consider Clubbing. Is it not really just stonethrowing but at a zero
or close to zero distance? A chimp can club and a chimp can throw
underarm but not overarm. So, can a chimp ever outbest a human in
clubbing? No, because a human can throw overarm. And so clubbing is
really just a specialized form of Stonethrowing overarm.
As I mentioned in that earlier post regards to Dr. Young that to
believe and understand and accept the Stonethrowing theory and its
vital importance to human evolution requires there to be Unique Bone
Signatures of changing anatomy in the bones of fossil humanlike
creatures. Oreopithecus, Orrorin, Lucy, Homo habilis, Homo erectus,
Neanderthal, Homo sapiens all would have bones for overarm throwing if
they were Stonethrowers. I have claimed that the signature would be in
the RotatorCuffHumerus, and the phalanges and the wristbones. So that
if Oreopithecus was a overarm stonethrower then he will show
anatomical progression away from that of chimpanzee
RotatorCuffHumerus, phalanges and wristbone since a chimp can only
throw underarm. That Oreopithecus if a stonethrower overarm would have
one of those bones more advanced than modern day chimps.
But Clubbing would not have bone anatomy changes from that of apelike
creatures some 10 million years ago to present day. Because Clubbing
is a specialized form of Overarm Stonethrowing. It is overarm
stonethrowing at zero distance. Chimps club and sometimes they lose
grip and the club flys for a short distance. Would that be counted as
overarm throwing??? I think not. The important thing here is to
realize that overarm throwing for long distances and with accuracy
requires anatomical bone changes of the humerus, fingers and wrist.
Clubbing does not require any anatomical bone changes but is a subset
of overarm Stonethrowing.
Which came first, clubbing or stonethrowing? I suspect that clubbing
as a behavioural trait came first because clubbing is performed
whether underarm or overarm bone anatomy.
Archimedes Plutonium
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| Neil G |
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:21 pm |
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That's an interesting theory that I wasn't aware of before now. I don't
really understand how stone throwing is linked to bipedalism. Could you
clarify this some?
I can see the need for changes in bone structure, but I don't see how the
changes would necessarily push for bipedalism given that there still is no
need to abandon quadrapedal movement.
Neil
"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Yesterday I posted about a Journal of Anatomy abstract by Dr. Young
who has written about clubbing and stonethrowing. Today I have this
issue of clubbing better resolved and this is of particular concern to
me since I am the author of the Stonethrowing theory that transformed
apelike creatures into humans. That Stonethrowing created bipedalism
and stonethrowing was the chief cause that led to our species.
But I must address this problem of clubbing. There is no doubt that
clubbing served a important role in human evolution. But clubbing
alone did not transform apelike to humanlike. It helped but was a
minor help and a secondary behaviour. The primary behaviour to
transformed apelike to humanity is Stonethrowing.
Consider Clubbing. Is it not really just stonethrowing but at a zero
or close to zero distance? A chimp can club and a chimp can throw
underarm but not overarm. So, can a chimp ever outbest a human in
clubbing? No, because a human can throw overarm. And so clubbing is
really just a specialized form of Stonethrowing overarm.
As I mentioned in that earlier post regards to Dr. Young that to
believe and understand and accept the Stonethrowing theory and its
vital importance to human evolution requires there to be Unique Bone
Signatures of changing anatomy in the bones of fossil humanlike
creatures. Oreopithecus, Orrorin, Lucy, Homo habilis, Homo erectus,
Neanderthal, Homo sapiens all would have bones for overarm throwing if
they were Stonethrowers. I have claimed that the signature would be in
the RotatorCuffHumerus, and the phalanges and the wristbones. So that
if Oreopithecus was a overarm stonethrower then he will show
anatomical progression away from that of chimpanzee
RotatorCuffHumerus, phalanges and wristbone since a chimp can only
throw underarm. That Oreopithecus if a stonethrower overarm would have
one of those bones more advanced than modern day chimps.
But Clubbing would not have bone anatomy changes from that of apelike
creatures some 10 million years ago to present day. Because Clubbing
is a specialized form of Overarm Stonethrowing. It is overarm
stonethrowing at zero distance. Chimps club and sometimes they lose
grip and the club flys for a short distance. Would that be counted as
overarm throwing??? I think not. The important thing here is to
realize that overarm throwing for long distances and with accuracy
requires anatomical bone changes of the humerus, fingers and wrist.
Clubbing does not require any anatomical bone changes but is a subset
of overarm Stonethrowing.
Which came first, clubbing or stonethrowing? I suspect that clubbing
as a behavioural trait came first because clubbing is performed
whether underarm or overarm bone anatomy.
Archimedes Plutonium
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| Archimedes Plutonium |
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:13 pm |
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"Neil G" <jay@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<sjuFb.11860$6b2.3478@edtnps84>...
Quote: That's an interesting theory that I wasn't aware of before now. I don't
really understand how stone throwing is linked to bipedalism. Could you
clarify this some?
I can see the need for changes in bone structure, but I don't see how the
changes would necessarily push for bipedalism given that there still is no
need to abandon quadrapedal movement.
Neil
I do not like the concept or term "evolution" so will use the term and
concept
of Progressions because Superdeterminism is the correct theory and
"evolution" is a tiny algorithm of Superdeterminism. So let me use
Progressions in this explanation.
I could use the example of the Chimpanzee for the chimp is a somewhat
visual sort of model of apelike creatures progressing into becoming
humanlike. The Chimp is quadraped and underarm throwing. Suppose some
chimp has a genital mutation in the bone structure of the upper arm,
elbow so that he begins throwing overarm. This gives him advantage
because he can throw both overarm and underarm. Advantage perhaps in
wielding a club better since clubbing is overarm throwing at zero
distance. Advantage in that in some situations such as up in a tree,
only overarm execution can occur. Advantage in getting more female
mates and offspring and in the next generation that mutation is passed
on. Somewhere in that progression of more and more overarm throwing
the bones and anatomy and musclature of the back and spine give
advantage to upright pedalism in order to enhance the overarm throwing
to give it more power and more distance. So now we have the anatomy of
the fingers, wrists, arms and shoulder fostering overarm throwing but
also we have the anatomy of the backbone, pelvis and legs as a Fulcrum
to increase the power and accuracy of overarm throwing. So the
quadraped is not helpful to overarm throwing and the progressive
states of increasing bipedalism foster overarm throwing. Bipedalism
compared to quadraped is that of a Fulcrum of physics in that if a
human were to get on fours and use one arm to throw overarm is a messy
job because most of the body cannot act as a fulcrum for power and
speed and accuracy.
So starting with one Chimp who has a mutation of the arms for
beginning the behaviour of overarm throwing reaps a benefit in gaining
more food, better protection and more mates and passes that bone
mutation to more offspring and as this benefit occurrs then this
benefit is further increased by changing from quadraped to biped.
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