Eeyore wrote:
Willie.Mookie@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.

You're just making it up aren't you ?


Graham, note he did not answer the question asked.

He was asked about
how much synthetic oil he actually produced and sold made with the
described equipment. He answered a totally different question that was
not asked. The mark of a con man.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:55:09 +0000, Willie.Mookie wrote:
On Jun 17, 1:25 pm, Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:11:37 +0000, Willie.Mookie wrote:
Harry,

I spent a considerable time responding to your comments point by
point. Unfortunately even though Google Groups said my response was
posted, it failed to appear. So, rather than go through the whole
thing again I'll summarize1 haha..

1) Conventoinal solar power costs $11 per peak watt including all
balance of systems. Their life span is 8 years and you are exposed to
800 hours per year,you're only going to produce 6.4 kWh at a total
cost of $20 (equipment + time value) - which is your $3.12per kWh. 2)
My concentrating solar panels costs $0.09 per peak watt including
balance of system. Its life span is 20 years. And it is operated in
areas exposed to 1,600 hours per year. So, its going to produce 32
kWh at a total cost of $0.16 - which is $0.005 - one half cent per
kWh.

Reality check time - how many peak kWh of these panels have you actually
produced at that cost? At any cost?

I'll take the lack of a response as a "none", since you indicated recently
you had only produced a few hand-built engineering prototypes.

3) I do not sell my equipment. I sell gasoline diesel fuel and jet
fuel to pay for equipment I build. I build own and operate
facilities that produce liquid fuels using this equipment. I take $4
worth of coal, $0.60 worth of water, along with $4.40 worth of
equipment and make one barrel of gasoline, diesel fuel and jet fuel
blend. The value of this fuel is well over $70. By selling a
portion of the forward production at a discounted price, I obtain
funds to build own and operate the plant. This cost adds another $9
per barrel of fuel.

How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
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On the sale side, each plant costs $6.3 billion to complete and I have
arranged to sell forward contracts for 243 million barrels of fuels on
forward contracts to raise this amount of cash for each plant. This
represents about 1/6th of the total production of the facility.

So, I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide over
that same period.

Or, you could say you have produced and sold none as of now.

Of course, once production starts at these facilities within the next 60
months, the forward contracts become future contracts and they may be
sold for more than double their face value. This is likely to occur
well before production actually begins.

You should hope.

In the laboratory I have made about 100 gallons of a wide variety of
hydrocarbons to work out the details of the processes I use. The work is
based largely on that of Bergius on the hydrogenation side and on Shell
on the hydrocracking side.

William, no one wants an inexpensive source of energy more than I do. If
you go back to our original exchanges a couple years ago, you will see I
was encouraged by some of your original concepts. I am becoming more and
more skeptical, as your dreams so far exceed your actual accomplishments.

A concept is not a design,

and a
engineering prototype is far from a high volume, low cost, production
prototype.

There is much sweat in between each stage.

You may be a good enough salesman to have convinced your "customer" of
your ability to perform.

and that's all you really have to do to get
started.

Once you get into the actual doing of, rather than just talking

about, the project, I'm afraid your customer and you may have a difference
of opinion. Customers expect results, not excuses.

So, once again, good luck. But lose the attitude,

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Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?

I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.

You're just making it up aren't you ?

Graham

Eeyore wrote:

Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:

Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.

You're just making it up aren't you ?

Graham, note he did not answer the question asked. He was asked about
how much synthetic oil he actually produced and sold made with the
described equipment. He answered a totally different question that was
not asked. The mark of a con man.
FK

Fred Kasner wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.

You're just making it up aren't you ?

Graham, note he did not answer the question asked.

Yes indeed. He replied with vague 'hypotheticals'.

He was asked about
how much synthetic oil he actually produced and sold made with the
described equipment. He answered a totally different question that was
not asked. The mark of a con man.

This is what it seems like.

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Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
2) My concentrating solar panels costs $0.09 per peak watt including
balance of system....

You have been writing some pretty interesting stuff the last few days.
Now, if I could believe this one, it would be well rounded.

Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Harry,

I spent a considerable time responding to your comments point by
point. Unfortunately even though Google Groups said my response was
posted, it failed to appear.

Why don't you use a proper news provider ?

Graham

On Jun 17, 4:30 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?

I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.

You're just making it up aren't you ?

Graham

No.

On Jun 17, 4:50 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.

You're just making it up aren't you ?

Graham, note he did not answer the question asked. He was asked about
how much synthetic oil he actually produced and sold made with the
described equipment. He answered a totally different question that was
not asked. The mark of a con man.


I was asked how much oil I sold that I made using this process,

I said I sold 243 million barrels on forward contracts at a steep discount
for each of two facilities..

I added that I have made only 100 gallons in the lab

For me to say i made no oil at all when I have done all the things
described above would be to leave someone with the wrong impression
wouldn't it?

haha.. what would you have me say Graham? That I didn't make any oil
when I've made enough to define my process totally?

That I haven't sold any oil at all when I sold enough to build two massive
facilities?

lol. I said quite specifically what I did and how I did
it and when I'd be in production.

Had you read the news in the New York Times or the Wall Street
Journal, rather than here on usenet you'd be totally geeked about it.
But you didn't so, you're not. That's all that's going on here.

Fact is, I signed up two coal companies in Indonesia and then two
investment houses who specialize in oil development and exploration.
One in Jakarta and one in Abu Dhabi, and it made national news all
over Asia and the middle east. We'll increase oil output of Indonesia
from its present 1.1 million bbls per day to 1.5 million bbls/day.
With hydrogen I can also take the Natuna gas fields, which are
unproducible because of carbon dioxide,and make methanol really
cheaply, which fits well with my 'sunfuel' process.

Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
haha.. what would you have me say Graham? That I didn't make any oil
when I've made enough to define my process totally?

Define a process means jack shit. The Germans and South Africans have actually
done it, not just 'defined it'.

That I haven't sold any oil at all when I sold enough to build two massive
facilities?

More hypotheticals.

You haven't build two massive facilities.

They exist only in
your mind.

lol. I said quite specifically what I did and how I did
it and when I'd be in production.

As others have said, when you're in production you can brag about it.

Until then
you're nothing more than a windbag.

Had you read the news in the New York Times or the Wall Street
Journal, rather than here on usenet you'd be totally geeked about it.
But you didn't so, you're not. That's all that's going on here.

What's happening here is that your BS has been challenged and found wanting.

Reality check time - how many peak kWh of these panels have you actually
produced at that cost? At any cost?

Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 17, 4:50 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
Bill Ward <b...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

How many barrels of synthetic oil have you actually produced and sold
with that equipment?
I guess you could say I've sold on forward contracts nearly half a
billion barrels of fuels over a 20 year period. This represents about
1/10th percent of all the liquid fuels that will be sold worldwide
over that same period.

You're just making it up aren't you ?

Graham, note he did not answer the question asked. He was asked about
how much synthetic oil he actually produced and sold made with the
described equipment. He answered a totally different question that was
not asked. The mark of a con man.

I was asked how much oil I sold that I made using this process,

No. You were asked about how much synthetic oil you had PRODUCED and sold.

I said I sold 243 million barrels on forward contracts at a steep discount
for each of two facilities..

So you sold some *paper* for a very high price.

I added that I have made only 100 gallons in the lab

So the answer is that you've produced 100 gallons. I assume you haven't sold
that, so the answer to Bill's question is actually NONE.

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