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Radium

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:15 pm

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Hi:

Is it possible to design a chip that stores information in the form of
static electricity? If so, what would be the drawbacks of such a chip?

Advantages I see are the ability to withstand high-voltages without
burning. Touching the chip with a static-charges conductor [such as my
hand] will not damage the chip but would probably corrupt the
information. To prevent loss of info, the chip could be covered in
material that does not conduct electricity.

Thanks,

Radium

Salmon Egg

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:28 pm

Guest

ESD

Guest

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 6:45 pm

In sci.physics.electromag Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

Hi:

Is it possible to design a chip that stores information in the form of
static electricity? If so, what would be the drawbacks of such a chip?

CCD camera, bubble memory.

<snip clueless babbling>

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Jim Pennino

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Dan N

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:38 am

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On Wed, 16 May 2007 15:15:31 -0700, Radium wrote:

Quote:

Is it possible to design a chip that stores information in the form of
static electricity?

What do you mean? There are already chips that store info as electric
charge.

You should get yourself a good book on electrical theory and study it.
You're asking theoretical questions, but you obviously don't know the
basics, so any answers here are not going to be very meaningful. I'm
not trying to criticise you, but you can't run before you can crawl. Do
some preliminary work first.

Dan

Radium

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:43 am

Guest

On May 16, 3:28 pm, Salmon Egg <salmon...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Quote:

ESD

ESD = ElectroStatic Discharge

Whats your point?

Is it possible to make a chip that stores info as ESD?

suresh

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:07 am

Guest

how do you think EEPROM and FLASH works?

CWatters

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:16 am

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"Radium" <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

Hi:

Is it possible to design a chip that stores information in the form of
static electricity?

Static electricity is just another name for an electric charge. Most digital
imaging devices work by storing charges on tiny capacitors. Ever heard of a
Charge Coupled Device (CCD)?

Benj

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:31 pm

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Radium wrote:

Quote:

Is it possible to design a chip that stores information in the form of
static electricity? If so, what would be the drawbacks of such a chip?

Dear Radium the Troll.

Here is what your ignorant clueless brain can't figure out!
It is totally impossible to store information in a computer once the
power is off!
ALL computers simply "forget" everything they know once they are
turned off.
Thus, the only option is to either NEVER turn off your computer or to
use the
very CLEVER method of "pulling a computer up by it's bootstraps" known
as
"booting" for short. Because of the total impossibility of
constructing a memory that can
store information in ANY form, let alone using electrostatic energy,
you will find that EVERY
computer today takes 5 to 15 minutes to "boot" every time you turn it
on.

I hope this gives you a clue!

Benj
(Actually IBM once made a computer that didn't "boot", but everyone
hated it and it didn't sell)

Guest

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:45 pm

In sci.physics.electromag Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote:

Quote:

Radium wrote:
Is it possible to design a chip that stores information in the form of
static electricity? If so, what would be the drawbacks of such a chip?

Dear Radium the Troll.

Here is what your ignorant clueless brain can't figure out!
It is totally impossible to store information in a computer once the
power is off!

Ever heard of core memory?

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Jim Pennino

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CWatters

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:35 pm

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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

It is totally impossible to store information in a computer once the
power is off!

I guess you are too young to know about magnetic core memory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core_memory

but you must have heard of EEPROMs or Flash memory?

and you must have heard of "Hibernate" or "suspend to disc" power
management mode supported by most Operating Syatems including Windows...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernate_(OS_feature)

hhc314@yahoo.com

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 2:45 pm

Guest

Not to forget dynamic RAM memory chips.

Harry C.

On May 16, 7:45 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

Quote:

In sci.physics.electromag Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi:
Is it possible to design a chip that stores information in the form of
static electricity? If so, what would be the drawbacks of such a chip?

CCD camera, bubble memory.

snip clueless babbling

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

hhc314@yahoo.com

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 9:07 pm

Guest

Excellent points. I guess it is not surprising that kids today do no
have any concept about how computers operate, or how they boot
themselves when they are turned on. Good grief, it wasn't always that
way. Some older readers will remember when you had to toggle in the
boot codes from front panel switches, simply to have a paper tape
reader read the tape which held the program or operating system
instructions.

Still, knowing how to do simple things like this is partially how I
make my living as a consulting engineer. And, if you have no boot ROMs
on the older systems, and no front panel switches, then they generally
have a second life as boat anchors. I've never encountered one without
either, since how would you have started them in the first case except
from a second computer (and I've seen that done).

Kids, on the earlier computers like the DEC PDP-1 through the PDP-6,
to boot the machine you had to key in the boot sequences from front
panel located switches, and that would enable the machine to read the
boot tape, which in turn would tell it how to read and load program
tapes includin the operating sytem.

It took about 10 years later, circa 1975, for self-booting systems to
arrive on the scene, and another 10 years later (circa 1985) for the
first personal computers to arrive. Networking came much later, but I
forgot in what year for the PCs. Unix systems had it much earlier,
with their networks mail systems over dial-up lines. That where the
Internet started, but originally only selected computers that were
allowed on the network.

Harry C.

On May 17, 3:35 pm, "CWatters"
<colin.watt...@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote:

Quote:

"Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message

news:1179426685.765153.105840@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

It is totally impossible to store information in a computer once the
power is off!

I guess you are too young to know about magnetic core memory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core_memory

but you must have heard of EEPROMs or Flash memory?

and you must have heard of "Hibernate" or "suspend to disc" power
management mode supported by most Operating Syatems including Windows...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernate_(OS_feature)

Androcles

Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:13 pm

Guest

<hhc314@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179454048.051858.39760@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
: Excellent points. I guess it is not surprising that kids today do no
: have any concept about how computers operate, or how they boot
: themselves when they are turned on. Good grief, it wasn't always that
: way. Some older readers will remember when you had to toggle in the
: boot codes from front panel switches, simply to have a paper tape
: reader read the tape which held the program or operating system
: instructions.
:
: Still, knowing how to do simple things like this is partially how I
: make my living as a consulting engineer. And, if you have no boot ROMs
: on the older systems, and no front panel switches, then they generally
: have a second life as boat anchors. I've never encountered one without
: either, since how would you have started them in the first case except
: from a second computer (and I've seen that done).
:
: Kids, on the earlier computers like the DEC PDP-1 through the PDP-6,
: to boot the machine you had to key in the boot sequences from front
: panel located switches, and that would enable the machine to read the
: boot tape, which in turn would tell it how to read and load program
: tapes includin the operating sytem.
:
: It took about 10 years later, circa 1975, for self-booting systems to
: arrive on the scene, and another 10 years later (circa 1985) for the
: first personal computers to arrive. Networking came much later, but I
: forgot in what year for the PCs. Unix systems had it much earlier,
: with their networks mail systems over dial-up lines. That where the
: Internet started, but originally only selected computers that were
: allowed on the network.
:
: Harry C.
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
: On May 17, 3:35 pm, "CWatters"
: <colin.watt...@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.com> wrote:
: > "Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
: >
: > news:1179426685.765153.105840@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
: >
: > > It is totally impossible to store information in a computer once the
: > > power is off!
: >
: > I guess you are too young to know about magnetic core memory...
: >
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core_memory
: >
: > but you must have heard of EEPROMs or Flash memory?
: >
: > and you must have heard of "Hibernate" or "suspend to disc" power
: > management mode supported by most Operating Syatems including Windows...
: >
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernate_(OS_feature)
:

I still remember the old "chip and PIN" credit/debit cards from ... err...
yesterday.
I still have one, somewhere.
http://www.fexcodcc.com/images/chipandpin.jpg

Benj

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:49 am

Guest

hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:

And I'm surprised that geezers today who once had to toggle in bytes,
STILL think that computers need to "boot" Duh, like it's ALWAYS been
done that way!!!

Quote:

It took about 10 years later, circa 1975, for self-booting systems to
arrive on the scene, and another 10 years later (circa 1985) for the
first personal computers to arrive. Networking came much later, but I
forgot in what year for the PCs. Unix systems had it much earlier,
with their networks mail systems over dial-up lines. That where the
Internet started, but originally only selected computers that were
allowed on the network.

Yeah, "self-booting" now THAT is a real "advance"! It just goes to
prove my previous statement that there is NO way for computers to
remember anything once they are turned off! Hey, if they could then
why would they need to "boot" at all? As for "hibernate" please allow
me to point out that I already covered that under "never turn it off"!

PS; Dynamic RAM does not remember when turned off.

Benj

Androcles

Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:09 am

Guest

"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1179467391.382086.66350@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
:
: hhc314@yahoo.com wrote:
: > Excellent points. I guess it is not surprising that kids today do no
: > have any concept about how computers operate, or how they boot
: > themselves when they are turned on. Good grief, it wasn't always that
: > way. Some older readers will remember when you had to toggle in the
: > boot codes from front panel switches, simply to have a paper tape
: > reader read the tape which held the program or operating system
: > instructions.
:
: And I'm surprised that geezers today who once had to toggle in bytes,
: STILL think that computers need to "boot" Duh, like it's ALWAYS been
: done that way!!!
:
: > It took about 10 years later, circa 1975, for self-booting systems to
: > arrive on the scene, and another 10 years later (circa 1985) for the
: > first personal computers to arrive. Networking came much later, but I
: > forgot in what year for the PCs. Unix systems had it much earlier,
: > with their networks mail systems over dial-up lines. That where the
: > Internet started, but originally only selected computers that were
: > allowed on the network.
:
: Yeah, "self-booting" now THAT is a real "advance"! It just goes to
: prove my previous statement that there is NO way for computers to
: remember anything once they are turned off! Hey, if they could then
: why would they need to "boot" at all? As for "hibernate" please allow
: me to point out that I already covered that under "never turn it off"!
:
: PS; Dynamic RAM does not remember when turned off.
:
: Benj

"Booting" (meaning pick itself up by its own bootstraps)
really means loading the operating system and then executing it.
Something remembered the operating system.
PS; You are an idiot.
PPS; *plonk*

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