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| NeNetwork |
 Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:26 pm |
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Does dilation of your pupils help rest the muscles and therefore rest
your eyes?
I have terrible eye strain and was wondering if I sat in a darkened
room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any way? |
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| Revival via MedKB.com |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:32 pm |
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umm may b but actally if u put atopine cyclopgenics inside ur eyes then it
just will paralyze i think. but i might b wrong. there4 it is gud 4 operation
like if u want to take the pupil out. also and it will be less painfulll 4
the patient init
I have terrible eye strain and was wondering if I sat in a darkened
room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any way?
may b but i dont fink so u just go to sleep mite as well yeh kk
mi sister dus this think call palming it make herget better eyesight from
glasse now she not wears them anymore. she say haf got perfect vision. i sed
wateva man
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:34 pm |
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On May 29, 10:26 am, NeNetwork <Dar...@hunnam.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Does dilation of your pupils help rest the muscles and therefore rest
your eyes?
I have terrible eye strain and was wondering if I sat in a darkened
room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any way?
How old are you? What's your prescription? Have you had a thorough,
dilated eye exam by a competent optometrist or ophthalmologist (I'm
neither)?
The answer to your question is: cycloplegic agents, used to paralyze
the focusing muscles, can relieve accommodative stress, but "eye
strain" is a very vague and subjective complaint.
You should see a good eye doctor to get an understanding of what's
going on.
You can also try this: fill a sock with uncooked rice. Heat it in the
microwave until it's warm (NOT hot). Place the sock full of rice over
your closed eyes for ten minutes. If that helps relieve your
symptoms, then you should mention this to your eye doctor.
My $0.02. |
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| Jan |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:34 pm |
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NeNetwork schreef:
Quote: Does dilation of your pupils help rest the muscles and therefore rest
your eyes?
No.
Quote:
I have terrible eye strain and was wondering if I sat in a darkened
room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any way?
Yes, if you close your eyes and go to sleep for a while.
Jan (normally Dutch spoken) |
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:40 pm |
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On May 29, 10:32 am, "Revival via MedKB.com" <u34484@uwe> wrote:
Quote: umm may b but actally if u put atopine cyclopgenics inside ur eyes then it
just will paralyze i think. but i might b wrong. there4 it is gud 4 operation
like if u want to take the pupil out. also and it will be less painfulll 4
the patient init
I have terrible eye strain and was wondering if I sat in a darkened
room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any way?
may b but i dont fink so u just go to sleep mite as well yeh kk
mi sister dus this think call palming it make herget better eyesight from
glasse now she not wears them anymore. she say haf got perfect vision. i sed
wateva man
You should consider not posting. You look ever more ridiculous with
each successive "contribution."
Just at hought. |
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| Revival |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:59 pm |
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NeNetwork,
"I have terrible eye strain and was wondering if I sat in a darkened
room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any way? "
This is a heated subject in a group such as this, which is not
altogether open-minded about such possibilities.
Over the last few decades, it has slowly become more accepted among
medical doctors that stress plays a major role in debilitating
conditions all over the human body. Every system in the body (nervous,
digestive, muscular, etc.) is affected by it. And yet, the eyes, with
their intricate complexity, with all the muscles that make it work,
with such a large portion of our minds dedicated to the task of
vision, with the eyes being physically like an extension of the brain,
with the demands they are put under on a daily basis... with all this,
they are (say the naysayers) the one part of the body that is
virtually unaffected by this phenomenon of strain. No damage, no
chronic disorders, nothing, except, they say, an almost
inconsequential contraction of a tiny muscle inside of the eye.
I gather that your intuition tells you that on even just an
intellectual basis, this doesn't make sense. Along with the general
alternative health movement, there is a growing natural vision
improvement movement underway, much of it centering on the Bates
method, which contends that stress and other factors resulting in
misuse of the eyes play a dominating role in the development and
progression of nearly all eye and vision disorders.
A lot of people, including myself, have improved their vision (to
beyond perfection) with the Bates method and eliminated long-standing
visual issues, including loss of near vision that is supposedly an
unavoidable result of aging, and many people around the world teaching
the method on an educational (non-medical) basis.
There is currently run, by Master Kiesling, an informational website
at www.iblindness.org. I am happy to answer questions about applying
the method - I only ask that visitors first read some of the material
provided on the site for free, including Dr. Bates's book.
Enjoy,
-Revival |
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:25 pm |
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On May 29, 10:59 am, Revival <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: A lot of people, including myself, have improved their vision (to
beyond perfection) with the Bates method and eliminated long-standing
visual issues, including loss of near vision that is supposedly an
unavoidable result of aging,
Anybody have any verifiable, objective, and quantitative evidence of
this? Anybody have any evidence that can establish cause and effect
(rather than statistically likely change in refractive error over
time)?
If not, then you--like (scr)Otis--are simply telling stories.
This isn't stories.cute.faith.vision. It's sci (for science).med (for
medicine).vision. |
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| Ms.Brainy |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:40 pm |
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On May 29, 10:26 am, NeNetwork <Dar...@hunnam.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Does dilation of your pupils help rest the muscles and therefore rest
your eyes?
I have terrible eye strain and was wondering if I sat in a darkened
room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any way?
Dear NeNetwork,
You can listen to the crap posted by persons with obvious personality
disorders, or you can listen to physicians, scientists and people who
have educated themselves without the tunnel vision of faith and
wishful thinking. The pick is yours. |
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| Revival via MedKB.com |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:51 pm |
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if I sat in a darkened room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any
way?
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Indeed it is possible for you to improve your sight by this means, however I
would not advise it as such. Palming would be a far more effective therapy.
Close your eyes, and rest them. Now place both palms of your hands across
your eyes. Do not place pressure on any single area. Do not attempt to think
anything that causes discomfort, or strain. Relax. This is palming. In
addition:
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Q. If one's arms become tired while palming, will a black silk handkerchief
covering the eyes produce the same amount of relaxation one gets from palming?
A. No. Palming is the best method for relaxation and improvement in vision.
When tired of palming, the hands can be removed and the eyes kept closed
until one feels relaxed.
Question—My hands become tired when I palm. Can I sit in a dark room, instead
of palming? Can I cover my eyes with a dark cloth?
Answer—No. I have found this to be a strain.
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http://www.central-fixation.com/bem/bettereyesight_1922_08.htm#questions
http://www.central-fixation.com/bem/bettereyesight_1925_01.htm#questions
And see that it is possible to relieve yourself.
Good luck. Any questions? Just ask.
-Revival
"The pick is yours. "
Indeed, the choice is yours to make. No obligations. Just listen to your
instinct ;-)
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| Ms.Brainy |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:59 pm |
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On May 29, 11:51 am, "Revival via MedKB.com" <u34484@uwe> wrote:
Quote: ---
if I sat in a darkened room for a few hours would it benefit my eyes in any
way?
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Indeed it is possible for you to improve your sight by this means, however I
would not advise it as such. Palming would be a far more effective therapy.
Close your eyes, and rest them. Now place both palms of your hands across
your eyes. Do not place pressure on any single area. Do not attempt to think
anything that causes discomfort, or strain. Relax. This is palming. In
addition:
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Q. If one's arms become tired while palming, will a black silk handkerchief
covering the eyes produce the same amount of relaxation one gets from palming?
A. No. Palming is the best method for relaxation and improvement in vision.
When tired of palming, the hands can be removed and the eyes kept closed
until one feels relaxed.
Question-My hands become tired when I palm. Can I sit in a dark room, instead
of palming? Can I cover my eyes with a dark cloth?
Answer-No. I have found this to be a strain.
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http://www.central-fixation.com/bem/bettereyesight_1922_08.htm#questions
http://www.central-fixation.com/bem/bettereyesight_1925_01.htm#questions
And see that it is possible to relieve yourself.
Good luck. Any questions? Just ask.
-Revival
"The pick is yours. "
Indeed, the choice is yours to make. No obligations. Just listen to your
instinct ;-)
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Didn't you say you came here to learn? |
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| Mike Tyner |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:23 pm |
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"Revival via MedKB.com" <u34484@uwe> wrote
Quote: Indeed, the choice is yours to make. No obligations. Just listen to your
instinct 
Listening to your instincts tells you that vitamin C is good for colds and
that you should scratch at chicken pox.
Learn to question your instincts. Learn some physics. Learn some statistics.
Learn how to test efficacy. Learn about pseudoscience.
Then you will find Bates' PSWG to be filled with false assumptions,
anecdotal evidence, logical fallacies, and emotional appeals.
None of that carries the weight of a simple t-test.
-MT
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html
Distinguishing Science and Pseudoscience
by Rory Coker, Ph.D.
Pseudoscience displays an indifference to facts.
Pseudoscience "research" is invariably sloppy.
Pseudoscience begins with a hypothesis -- usually one which is appealing
emotionally
Pseudoscience is indifferent to criteria of valid evidence.
Pseudoscience relies heavily on subjective validation.
Pseudoscience always achieves a reduction to absurdity if pursued far
enough.
Pseudoscience often contradicts itself, even in its own terms.
Pseudoscience deliberately creates mystery where none exists, by omitting
crucial information and important details.
Pseudoscience does not progress.
Pseudoscience attempts to persuade with rhetoric, propaganda, and
misrepresentation rather than valid evidence.
Pseudoscience argues from ignorance, an elementary fallacy.
Pseudoscience argues from alleged exceptions, errors, anomalies, strange
events,
and suspect claims -- rather than from well-established regularities of
nature.
Pseudoscience appeals to false authority, to emotion, sentiment, or distrust
of established fact.
Pseudoscience makes extraordinary claims and advances fantastic theories
that contradict what is known about nature.
Pseudoscientists invent their own vocabulary in which many terms lack
precise or unambiguous definitions, and some have no definition at all.
Pseudoscientific "explanations" tend to be by scenario. That is, we are told
a story, but nothing else; we have no description of any possible physical
process.
Pseudoscientists often appeal to the ancient human habit of magical
thinking - magic, sorcery, witchcraft
Pseudoscience relies heavily on anachronistic thinking. The older the idea,
the more attractive it is to pseudoscience -- it's the wisdom of the
ancients!
Pseudoscience often strikes educated, rational people as too nonsensical and
preposterous to be dangerous and as a source of amusement rather than fear.
Unfortunately, this is not a wise attitude. Pseudoscience can be extremely
dangerous. |
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| NeNetwork |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:52 pm |
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I have seen various specialists about my problems, I was fine on every
test and my eye pressure was fine on each test.
My doctor noticed that my eyes seemed tired and looked like I had
Bells Palsy but tests showed nothing, my eyes are constantly tired and
seem dry at times even when I was crying they seemed dry.
I've tried Palming but had no results, I've got a heat pack so I'll
try that.
Thanks for all the replies everyone. |
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| Neil Brooks |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:59 pm |
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On May 29, 2:52 pm, NeNetwork <Dar...@hunnam.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: I have seen various specialists about my problems, I was fine on every
test and my eye pressure was fine on each test.
My doctor noticed that my eyes seemed tired and looked like I had
Bells Palsy but tests showed nothing, my eyes are constantly tired and
seem dry at times even when I was crying they seemed dry.
That's significant.
Have you seen a dry eye specialist to have the following tests done:
- schirmer's
- TBUT
- rose bengal/lissamine green staining
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Dry eye syndrome can certainly explain the sort of pain in your eyes
that /I think/ you are describing.
You may want to try a two week course of a =preservative-free=
lubricating drop like Refresh Plus. There's no downside. If it helps
clear your vision and reduce the eye pain, then you can be fairly sure
you have clinically dry eyes.
In either case,
a) The warm rice bag/sock thing should help
b) I would still be seen by a dry eye specialist
c) You could also try the warm compress/lid scrub/lid massage
regimen detailed here:
http://www.agingeye.net/pdffiles/blepharitis.pdf
Best of luck! |
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| Mike Tyner |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:28 pm |
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"NeNetwork" <Darren@hunnam.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
Quote: My doctor noticed that my eyes seemed tired and looked like I had
Bells Palsy but tests showed nothing, my eyes are constantly tired and
seem dry at times even when I was crying they seemed dry.
Neil's probably onto something.
Bell's palsy often makes the _lower_ lid droop. Is that what they meant?
That often causes exposure, which is different from the dry eye due to
inflamed or diminished glands.
Dry eye is so common that doctors may gloss it over because they're looking
for bigger problems.
Depending on the cause, you could benefit from artificial tears, a sleeping
mask, diet supplement, antibiotics, or cyclosporine.
-MT |
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| NeNetwork |
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:42 am |
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Thanks, I'll try the drops because it does feel quite dry especially
above the pupil.
I went to an opticians today and was told I have a mild prescription
in 1 eye but nothing to worry about and an astigmatism in the same
eye. It was very reasonable price, £20 for the test and photograph of
the retina.
Thanks. |
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