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| JOHN |
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The immunologist (Catharina Svanborg) had logged hundreds of lab hours
documenting ways in which human milk helps babies fight infections.
Breast-feeding protects babies from cancer, but no one knows quite how. So
when biologists in Catharina Svanborg's lab saw mothers' milk kill cancer
cells, they knew they were onto something big.
http://www.whale.to/v/svanborg_h.html |
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:23 am |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: The immunologist (Catharina Svanborg) had logged hundreds of lab hours
documenting ways in which human milk helps babies fight infections.
Breast-feeding protects babies from cancer, but no one knows quite how. So
when biologists in Catharina Svanborg's lab saw mothers' milk kill cancer
cells, they knew they were onto something big.
http://www.whale.to/v/svanborg_h.html
Wow, whale.to has finally produced an article on reputable science.
Oh, wait.
Its plagiarized.
Oops, my bad.
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:39 am |
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Its plagiarized.
Oops, my bad.
Bryan
That isn't plagarism you moron, and try and dream up some other argument, as
copyright or plagarism aint an argument |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 10:41 am |
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote: Wow, whale.to has finally produced an article on reputable science.
Oh, wait.
Its plagiarized.
Oops, my bad.
Bryan
PS: just another one of your allopathic industry ways of making money from
sick children--promoting bottle feeding or turning a blind eye to its
dangers (same thing)
but then it would be another nail in your vaccine and other drug coffin |
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:32 pm |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: "Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
news:f3hd04$r2l$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
Wow, whale.to has finally produced an article on reputable science.
Oh, wait.
Its plagiarized.
Oops, my bad.
Bryan
PS: just another one of your allopathic industry ways of making money from
sick children--promoting bottle feeding or turning a blind eye to its
dangers (same thing)
but then it would be another nail in your vaccine and other drug coffin
Bottle feeding (by which I expect you mean formula) hasn't been promoted
in decades. Its well established that breast milk is best, with the odd
exception. Maybe you should update your "knowledge" of medicine to
stuff post-1980's...
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:39 pm |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: "Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Its plagiarized.
Oops, my bad.
Bryan
That isn't plagarism
Copyright infringement then. Some how I doubt that you have permission
of the periodical or author to reproduce their work on your webpage,
and/or have you paid for licensing of said material. Although many
nations do have fair-use laws, even the most liberal laws (i.e. my
countries) do now allow for wholesale reproduction and distribution.
Off hand I can think of numerous international treaty obligations (i.e.
they would be laws in your country) you're breaking here - copyright
infringement, plagiarism, and illegal distribution and reproduction of
copyright material. I'm sure your country has several more you're also
breaking. Maybe someone should send a note to Science News and
Discovery magazine, and see what their legal departments think of your
illegal actions...
Bryan |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:18 am |
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Bottle feeding (by which I expect you mean formula) hasn't been promoted
in decades. Its well established that breast milk is best, with the odd
exception. Maybe you should update your "knowledge" of medicine to stuff
post-1980's...
Bryan
that's the speil but the reality is outlined in these quotes:
"Early in my own pediatric training I was taught that if a mother questioned
whether she should breastfeed or bottlefeed, the proper answer is: "The
decision is strictly up to you; I will assist you in whatever method you
decide to use."--Dr Mendelsohn MD
"I accused doctors of still failing to give women detailed information about
the immunological benefits to babies of breastmilk, at which point the only
woman paediatrician got very upset at me, and said that was a mother's
choice, just like abortion. I looked her square in the face and asked if she
had children, and her answer was "Yes" I then raised my eyebrows and "Who
you bottlefed, right?" She instantly got up and left. I think the unspoken
implications got through loud and clear."--Hilary Butler
and the docs take money off bottle feeding manufacturers.
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY
http://www.cspinet.org/integrity/corp_funding.html#universities
"Received $548,000 from two of the four major formula makers in 1993."
(Mothering magazine, July-August 2000, p.60)
AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS
http://www.cspinet.org/integrity/corp_funding.html
"Friends of Children Fund" Annual Report, July 1, 1996 - June 30, 1997,
indicates $2.085 million in funding from corporations. Donors include
Procter & Gamble, Gerber, Infant Formula Council, McNeil Consumer Products
Company, National Cattlemen's Beef Association, Johnson & Johnson Consumer
Products, Abbott Laboratories, Wyeth-Lederle Vaccine & Pediatrics, Mead
Johnson Nutritionals, SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, Schering Corp.,
Rhone-Poulenc Rorer, Food Marketing Institute, Sugar Association,
International Food Information Council, Merck Vaccine Division, and others.
Also gets foundation support (RWJ, Pew, etc.).
Formula manufacturers "donate $1 million annually to the American Academy
of Pediatrics in the form of a renewable grant that has already netted the
AAP $8 million. The formula industry also contributed at least $3 million
toward the building costs of the AAP headquarters." (Mothering magazine,
July-August, p.60; refers to a book Milk, Money and Madness by Naomi
Baumslag and Dia L. Michels (Westport, Conn.: Bergin and Garvey, 1995, p.
172))
and if the powers that be have a rats ass about babies they would make baby
milk export illegal, but it helps thin out the useless eaters
"I saw mother after mother in the paediatric wards, head in hands, crying
beside the cribs where their babies lay, malnourished, dehydrated, sick from
Bottle Baby Disease. It doesn't need to happen. A decade ago we knew the
truth about irresponsible marketing of infant formula. Allowing the
companies to continue these practices is an inexcusable outrage of humanity,
if not outright criminality." Janice Mantell, Action for Corporate
Accountability (USA) http://www.mcspotlight.org/beyond/nestle.html |
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:39 pm |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:35 am |
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote: Wow, that's amazing - conspiracies everywhere! Yep, good thing we've got
tabloids & anti-mcdonalds organizations to keep us safe.
Yeah yeah, the conspiracy-paranoid argument, that is ad hominem
so the aap don't take money off them? |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:51 am |
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Bottle feeding (by which I expect you mean formula) hasn't been promoted
in decades. Its well established that breast milk is best, with the odd
exception. Maybe you should update your "knowledge" of medicine to stuff
post-1980's...
"Its well established that breast milk is best"
Yeah, maybe you should give them the real story--- how many parents know the
death rate for bottlefed kids is twice that of breast, and that it cuts
cot-death dramatically, to zero if not vaccinated? And it saved my kids
life when he got e coli. How many know it developes a healthy emotional
developement?
So breast is best is just cop out to show they told you something, and
covered their asses, but only 1% of the real story.
"Four out of five Norwegian infants are still breastfed at the age of six
months. Just one per cent of the infants were never breastfed. This is shown
by the first national survey on infantry nutrition in Norway. |
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| Elfanie |
| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:40 am |
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:32:28 -0600, Bryan Heit
<bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Quote: Bottle feeding (by which I expect you mean formula) hasn't been promoted
in decades.
*blinkblink*
as someone who has been in the birthing field for 12 years...I can
tell you with absolute certainty that it has absolutely been
promoted...everyday...for decades.
If you look at the WHO/Unicef code for marketing artificial baby milk
(a code which, BTW, we were the LAST country to sign) you will see
that we absolutely unequivically do not follow the code.
Everytime a hospital tells a mother whose baby is 26 hours old that
the baby "needs" formula because *fill in any reason*, that's
promoting formula feeding.
everytime a pediatrician tells a breastfeeding mom to give the baby
formula because the baby isn't gaining enough, that's promoting
formula feeding.
Everytime you turn on the television and see a carnation good start
commercial with "comfort proteins" - that's promoting formula feeding.
Everytime you see an item with a 'baby theme' (baby shower invitation,
L&D scrubs, etc) that have bottles as a symbol of a baby, that's
promoting formula feeding.
Everytime a mother is sent home from the hospital with a "diaper bag"
from Enfamil written all over it and with free formula samples, that's
promoting formula feeding.
to say that formula feeding hasn't been promoted in decades is
absolutely disgustingly false. It may not be said "formula is best"
- they may say 'breast is best' - but that means little compared to
everything else that is done to promote formula and undermine
breastfeeding...
Stephanie Soderblom
AZCBE AZCD LCCE CLD CCCE CD(DONA) CBC CAAC
Mommy to Mikael 5/9/95 - Kerstyn 8/6/99 - Kevin 8/30/02
Megan 5/16/05
Senior Apprentice Midwife/Doula/Childbirth Educator/Breastfeeding Counselor
Mesa, AZ
www.AZDoulas.com
www.birthdiaries.com |
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| JOHN |
| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:13 am |
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"Elfanie" <elfanieNOSPAM@soderblom.net> wrote in message
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Quote: On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:32:28 -0600, Bryan Heit
bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Bottle feeding (by which I expect you mean formula) hasn't been promoted
in decades.
*blinkblink*
as someone who has been in the birthing field for 12 years...I can
tell you with absolute certainty that it has absolutely been
promoted...everyday...for decades.
Well said. The allopaths just pay lip service to breast---just enough so
people like Bryan can believe it and make an argument. They know (at the
top) breast would get rid of most of their customers, with no
vaccination--the rest.
It is an absolute crime the way they have covertly promoted formula (and
taken money off them), especially when you know what the cow's milk does to
the gut, and how it protects from infections and infectious
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:49 am |
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Elfanie wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:32:28 -0600, Bryan Heit
bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
Bottle feeding (by which I expect you mean formula) hasn't been promoted
in decades.
*blinkblink*
as someone who has been in the birthing field for 12 years...I can
tell you with absolute certainty that it has absolutely been
promoted...everyday...for decades.
If you look at the WHO/Unicef code for marketing artificial baby milk
(a code which, BTW, we were the LAST country to sign) you will see
that we absolutely unequivically do not follow the code.
Everytime a hospital tells a mother whose baby is 26 hours old that
the baby "needs" formula because *fill in any reason*, that's
promoting formula feeding.
Obviously I cannot speak for every hospital on the planet, but the
standard here is that formula is only used if a mother doesn't produce
milk, produces insufficient milk, or cannot breastfeed for some other
reason.
I'm not exactly sure what you'd have them do in these circumstances -
let the baby starve?
Quote: everytime a pediatrician tells a breastfeeding mom to give the baby
formula because the baby isn't gaining enough, that's promoting
formula feeding.
And I ask again, if the mother cannot produce enough milk or breastfeed
for whatever reason, exactly what should be done?
Quote: Everytime you turn on the television and see a carnation good start
commercial with "comfort proteins" - that's promoting formula feeding.
We don't get those; must be specific to your country. I cannot think of
one TV commercial for formula that's been aired here in decades...
Quote: Everytime you see an item with a 'baby theme' (baby shower invitation,
L&D scrubs, etc) that have bottles as a symbol of a baby, that's
promoting formula feeding.
Oh give me a break. Now you're becoming paranoid. Are you aware that
breast pumps exist? That mom can now send dad out a 2AM to feed the
child breast milk? And guess how that all works - I'll give you a hint:
dad is not lactating. I'm starting to think you're maybe not as
familiar with the whole baby thing as you claim.
Quote: Everytime a mother is sent home from the hospital with a "diaper bag"
from Enfamil written all over it and with free formula samples, that's
promoting formula feeding.
Once again, thats your country, not mine. Don't whine to me if you're
country still lives in the 1950's, or if your doctors are unduly
influenced by industry.
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| Bryan Heit |
| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:15 am |
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JOHN wrote:
Quote: "Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Bottle feeding (by which I expect you mean formula) hasn't been promoted
in decades. Its well established that breast milk is best, with the odd
exception. Maybe you should update your "knowledge" of medicine to stuff
post-1980's...
"Its well established that breast milk is best"
Yeah, maybe you should give them the real story--- how many parents know the
death rate for bottlefed kids is twice that of breast,
You have a cite for this - of course not, because it is a lie:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/p604n52697160043/
Well, unless you live in India. I'll grant you that, but its pretty
dangerous to make sweeping conclusions based on evidence gathered in
developing nations. Especially when those results don't hold out in
other countries...
Of course, you also failed to mention that breastfed babies are more
likely to be readmitted to the hospital during their first month of life
- due to insufficient feeding. Now what should we do with those babies
John - continue as is, or maybe, just maybe, supplement with formula?
I don't know about you, but I'd rather feed my kid a bit of formula then
have them starve. But then again, thats just me - the less rational may
disagree.
Quote: and that it cuts
cot-death dramatically, to zero if not vaccinated?
And yet another unsubstantiated lie by John. What's the matter - afraid
if you try and support your claims with outside evidence you're
followers will begin to see through your lies?
Just to show how wrong you are, someone bothered to track SIDS rates as
hungary began introducing more childhood vaccinations. Guess what
happened - SIDS rates went DOWN. That's right - the exact polar
opposite of what you claimed:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15325404&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum
Quote: And it saved my kids
life when he got e coli.
Hate to break it to you John - you, your kid, me and everyone else on
this planet have e coli growing in our bowels. So milk didn't save him
from that. It may have altered the microflora balance during his
colonization phase, perhaps protected him from "bad" intestinal flora,
but thats it.
The real irony with this statement is what it says about you. Do you
know the major source of pathogenic e coli transfer? Fecal-oral. Easily
prevented by washing ones hands...
Quote: How many know it developes a healthy emotional
developement?
And helps prevents post-partum depression. A well known and publicized
fact.
Quote: So breast is best is just cop out to show they told you something, and
covered their asses, but only 1% of the real story.
Hmm, the standard brochure I see in my doctors office says everything
you did, minus the lies of course. Lower rates of infection, less
frequent hospitalization, lower SIDS, lower post-partum, all that jazz.
Now what exactly are they hiding?
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| Suzanne S |
| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:25 pm |
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"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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Quote: Elfanie wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:32:28 -0600, Bryan Heit
bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote:
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Obviously I cannot speak for every hospital on the planet, but the
standard here is that formula is only used if a mother doesn't produce
milk, produces insufficient milk, or cannot breastfeed for some other
reason.
I'm not exactly sure what you'd have them do in these circumstances - let
the baby starve?
Bryan
It is an unfortunate fact that a very large number of women feel that they
are unable to produce enough milk for their babies, and hence suplement with
formula. This begins the slippery slope of declining demand, so the body
produces less milk, and the mother formula feeds more, and finally stops BF
before they want to.
(Take a look at table on p9 of this survey in the UK for reasons for
stopping BF:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_4008114)
The truth is that there are very few women who are truly unable to produce
enough milk (around 1%). The problem is the poor information and support
that mothers are given to enable them to breastfeed successfully. This is
poor and conficting advice from health professionals, and the underlying (or
in some countries such as America, an upfront!) push from formula companies
that formula is OK. Formula is not OK. It is an OK substitute for those
babies that are unable to be fed breastmilk, but it is in no way equal to
breastmilk. Don't get me wrong - formula has a purpose to serve, and for
those babies who need it it is a life saver. But formula is not equal to
breastmilk.
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