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| O'Kiwi |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 06:27:51 -0600, "Duke of URL"
<macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote:
[quote:66eaadecd1]In news:c0md0j$18dqh2$1@ID-166912.news.uni-berlin.de,
OldWiseMan <oldwiseman999@hotmail.com> radiated into the
WorldWideWait:
Just so you know what you are dealing with:
"Bob from Boston" (aka Roberto, aka BfB, aka Skippy)
_@-._> wrote in message
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"I would like to see any Arab Muslims barred
from this country for at least 5 years, for a start. They are a
primitive, murderous, lying blight on this earth, plain and simple."
And he's the guy that's talking about other people being racist :)
OTOH, neither Arab nor Muslim is a "race"...
[/quote:66eaadecd1]
Arab is so a race.
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| Rushtown |
| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:08 am |
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Are the Irish white. If you visit there you'll see that there is no question.
There are more blue eyed people in Ireland than in Scandanavia.
But genetic evidence shows that people in West Ireland have 50% of their genes
from pre Aryan, ie pre Celtic, peoples. Anthropologists call these peoples
"Brunn". There is some evidence of the survival of the "Brunn" type in Norway.
The Basques are suppose to share this pre Aryan blood with the Irish.
Maybe this is where the "not white" comes from. If you could go back in time
in Europe people would look less and less white. The Caucasoid look is a
relatively recent development.
Just like if you go back in time in the Americas or Asia the people look less
Mongoloid and sort of more Caucasion. Look at pictures of Sioux
warriors---thin lips, beaky noses. Maybe that where the Kennewick man confusion
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| mícheal méféin |
| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:16 pm |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:36:36 -0600, "Duke of URL"
<macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote:
[quote:58fd4aed63]In news:4030ea2b.3189085@news,
mícheal méféin <micheal@shaw.ca> radiated into the WorldWideWait:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 06:59:26 -0600, "Duke of URL"
macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote:
In news:402fc06c.6757116@news,
mícheal méféin <micheal@shaw.ca> radiated into the WorldWideWait:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:09:32 -0000, "Gerry Doyle"
alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net> wrote:
So where did the first peoples come from, if not Africa?
It's a secret, but you have to promise not to tell, because if you
do and especially if you take pleasure in it, you'll be
committing a mortal sin...
Promise?
OK., it's Ireland.
"Ireland??" you cry in a mix of laughter and irritation as your
temper starts to unloosen. "Ireland!!" you scream. "Get the feck
outa here!!"
But there's evidence, living proof, quite independent of DNA or
genetic markers or even matrilineal descent.
The proof is in the Sistine Chapel, captured on a ceiling fresco
entitled 'The Creation of Adam'.
Adam, as I'm sure you know even if you've never opened a Bible in
your life, is allegedly the first man and the fresco shows God
reaching out to him (reaching out - is God American?) and giving
him life or whatever was going on there; frankly it all looks a
bit dodgy to me, nobody with a stitch of clothing on, but...
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/M/michelangelo/creation.jpg.html
In the fresco you can see a dwarfish-looking fella with perfect
alabaster buttocks clinging to God's back like a baby chimp and
those of you who can lipread will have noticed that the dwarf is
snarling at Adam, "Feck off, ye pouf - I was here first, so go
feck yerself!"
Regulars will confirm that perfect alabaster buttocks are Unki's
unique, personal trademark, lusted after by pederasts and pit
bulls across the globe. Imagine the horror of it all...
Anyway, there you have it - conclusive proof that the first man
came from Ireland and even more excitingly, is still with us!
(Although the word is that he's been smelling a bit mouldy
lately...)
Sitting here with my jaw sagging, having barely saved my coffeecup
from spilling...
I insist that this essay be entered for the Revelation Of The Year
award.
God bless you, you have a lucky face.
Has anyone told the Pope or whoever's actually running the RC these
days (I suppose it's his private secretary) about that painting?
I understand in the Vatican there is talk of little else.[/quote:58fd4aed63]
mícheal méféin
maireann croí éadrom i bhfad.
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| Gerry Doyle |
| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:10 pm |
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"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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[quote:453341f439]Scríobh "Gerry Doyle" <alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net>:
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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Scríobh "T. A. Lane" <terrylane@earthlink.net>:
I don't know the answer to this, but I asked my boyfriend and this is
what
he said. He said he wasn't 100% positive, but this is his best guess:
I'm no expert on this stuff, but as I understand it, the Irish are
different
because they are more purely Celtic than the rest of the UK or
Continental
Europe
Celtic is a linguistic designation.
Is it?
Yes. The Celts are the peoples of northern Europe who spoke -and
speak- Celtic languages. In essence, the non-Germanic Iron Age
northern European cultures.
There are Celtic in Ireland,
Britain, and France.
Aren't the central Europeans celtic of sorts too?
No, they have some Celtic ancestry. Depending on how you define
"central" Europe, most of them these days speak either Germanic or
Slavic languages.
[/quote:453341f439]
But you just said that the Celts were people who used to speak celtic
languages, so it doesn't matter what they speak now, does it? What do you
mean by 'some' celtic ancestry, if they have some, then they have celtic
ancestry, much as ourselves, surely?
[quote:453341f439]Maybe not the same sort
of celts, but I'd have thought that the majority of celts, maybe not so
much
now but definitely in the past, were to be found all along the Danube
direction?
Central Europe is Celtic in the same way that Dublin is Viking, or
Marseilles is Greek. Its part of its history, not its present.
[/quote:453341f439]
If present language is what counts, then is Ireland not Anglo-Saxon by those
lights?
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| Rushtown |
| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:56 pm |
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[quote:ab14ea457d]Subject: Re: Irish NOT "White"?
From: "Gerry Doyle" alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net
Date: 2/16/2004 3:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <c0rj3i$k9s$1@kermit.esat.net
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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Scríobh "Gerry Doyle" <alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net>:
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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Scríobh "T. A. Lane" <terrylane@earthlink.net>:
I don't know the answer to this, but I asked my boyfriend and this is
what
he said. He said he wasn't 100% positive, but this is his best guess:
I'm no expert on this stuff, but as I understand it, the Irish are
different
because they are more purely Celtic than the rest of the UK or
Continental
Europe
Celtic is a linguistic designation.
Is it?
Yes. The Celts are the peoples of northern Europe who spoke -and
speak- Celtic languages. In essence, the non-Germanic Iron Age
northern European cultures.
There are Celtic in Ireland,
Britain, and France.
Aren't the central Europeans celtic of sorts too?
No, they have some Celtic ancestry. Depending on how you define
"central" Europe, most of them these days speak either Germanic or
Slavic languages.
But you just said that the Celts were people who used to speak celtic
languages, so it doesn't matter what they speak now, does it? What do you
mean by 'some' celtic ancestry, if they have some, then they have celtic
ancestry, much as ourselves, surely?
Maybe not the same sort
of celts, but I'd have thought that the majority of celts, maybe not so
much
now but definitely in the past, were to be found all along the Danube
direction?
Central Europe is Celtic in the same way that Dublin is Viking, or
Marseilles is Greek. Its part of its history, not its present.
If present language is what counts, then is Ireland not Anglo-Saxon by those
lights?
[/quote:ab14ea457d]
Nobody speaks Anglo-Saxon these days.
With genetic testing the answer is becoming clearer that there is less Saxon,
Viking, Dane, or Norman blood in the Irish than previously thought. And there
is more Celtic blood in the English, especially down by the South Coast than
previously thought.
Also, to respond to something someone said here about the "Danelaw". There
wasn't as much mixture as that post implied. People in Northeast England show
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| Féachadóir |
| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:23 am |
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Scríobh "Gerry Doyle" <alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net>:
[quote:5f62ab264e]"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
[/quote:5f62ab264e]
[...]
[quote:5f62ab264e]Yes. The Celts are the peoples of northern Europe who spoke -and
speak- Celtic languages. In essence, the non-Germanic Iron Age
northern European cultures.
There are Celtic in Ireland,
Britain, and France.
Aren't the central Europeans celtic of sorts too?
No, they have some Celtic ancestry. Depending on how you define
"central" Europe, most of them these days speak either Germanic or
Slavic languages.
But you just said that the Celts were people who used to speak celtic
languages, so it doesn't matter what they speak now, does it?
[/quote:5f62ab264e]
Whatever they speak now is what they are now, in a linguistic sense.
The French today are Romance speakers. The fact their Gaulish
ancestors were Celts doesn't make them Celts.
[quote:5f62ab264e]What do you
mean by 'some' celtic ancestry, if they have some, then they have celtic
ancestry, much as ourselves, surely?
[/quote:5f62ab264e]
I mean not all Central Europeans were Celts. Many spoke Germanic
languages, ferinstance.
[quote:5f62ab264e]Maybe not the same sort
of celts, but I'd have thought that the majority of celts, maybe not so much
now but definitely in the past, were to be found all along the Danube
direction?
Central Europe is Celtic in the same way that Dublin is Viking, or
Marseilles is Greek. Its part of its history, not its present.
If present language is what counts, then is Ireland not Anglo-Saxon by those
lights?
[/quote:5f62ab264e]
Mostly, yes. More accurately, they're anglophone. Our people are to a
lesser or greater degree Celtic speakers, but we are predominantly
English-speaking.
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| Diarmid Logan |
| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:08 am |
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"mícheal méféin" <micheal@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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[quote:25527c5bdc]At one point I asked Diarmid Logan "An labhraíonn tú Gaeilge?" and the
answer was No, accompanied by explanations and excuses, essentially
placing the blame on his parents.
[/quote:25527c5bdc]
Where did I place the blame on my parents?
[quote:25527c5bdc]You'd think that someone so concerned with the purity of the Irish
people would at least take the trouble to learn their native language.
[/quote:25527c5bdc]
*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed to
support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population can be
free of colonial oppression?
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| mícheal méféin |
| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:57 am |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:23:41 +0000, Féachadóir <Féach@d.óir> wrote:
[quote:f5357bc1d5]Scríobh "Gerry Doyle" <alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net>:
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
[...]
Yes. The Celts are the peoples of northern Europe who spoke -and
speak- Celtic languages. In essence, the non-Germanic Iron Age
northern European cultures.
There are Celtic in Ireland,
Britain, and France.
Aren't the central Europeans celtic of sorts too?
No, they have some Celtic ancestry. Depending on how you define
"central" Europe, most of them these days speak either Germanic or
Slavic languages.
But you just said that the Celts were people who used to speak celtic
languages, so it doesn't matter what they speak now, does it?
Whatever they speak now is what they are now, in a linguistic sense.
The French today are Romance speakers. The fact their Gaulish
ancestors were Celts doesn't make them Celts.
What do you
mean by 'some' celtic ancestry, if they have some, then they have celtic
ancestry, much as ourselves, surely?
I mean not all Central Europeans were Celts. Many spoke Germanic
languages, ferinstance.
Maybe not the same sort
of celts, but I'd have thought that the majority of celts, maybe not so much
now but definitely in the past, were to be found all along the Danube
direction?
Central Europe is Celtic in the same way that Dublin is Viking, or
Marseilles is Greek. Its part of its history, not its present.
If present language is what counts, then is Ireland not Anglo-Saxon by those
lights?
Mostly, yes. More accurately, they're anglophone. Our people are to a
lesser or greater degree Celtic speakers, but we are predominantly
English-speaking.
--
"Ferr fíor fertaib"
Féachadóir
[/quote:f5357bc1d5]
At one point I asked Diarmid Logan "An labhraíonn tú Gaeilge?" and the
answer was No, accompanied by explanations and excuses, essentially
placing the blame on his parents.
You'd think that someone so concerned with the purity of the Irish
people would at least take the trouble to learn their native language.
mícheal méféin
maireann croí éadrom i bhfad.
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| Jochen |
| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:33 pm |
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In article <cb91164f483cdfbd5184e6b6ebe49b9e.121266@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Diarmid Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:ad4208df54]*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed to
support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population can be
free of colonial oppression?
[/quote:ad4208df54]
Things are never your fault, are they? Anybody can learn at least one
other language with ease. All it takes is a bit of work. There is no gift
involved.
Jochen
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| Féachadóir |
| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:49 pm |
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Scríobh Jochen <jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com>:
[quote:098e725587]In article <cb91164f483cdfbd5184e6b6ebe49b9e.121266@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Diarmid Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed to
support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population can be
free of colonial oppression?
Things are never your fault, are they? Anybody can learn at least one
other language with ease. All it takes is a bit of work. There is no gift
involved.
[/quote:098e725587]
Can't be that difficult. I know two year olds who can manage it.
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| Roberto (aka bfb) |
| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 7:29 pm |
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"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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[quote:80714116ad]Scríobh Jochen <jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com>:
In article <cb91164f483cdfbd5184e6b6ebe49b9e.121266@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Diarmid Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed to
support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population can be
free of colonial oppression?
Things are never your fault, are they? Anybody can learn at least one
other language with ease. All it takes is a bit of work. There is no gift
involved.
Can't be that difficult. I know two year olds who can manage it.
--
"Ferr fíor fertaib"
Féachadóir
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Peer group? |
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| O'Kiwi |
| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:58 pm |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:49:42 +0000, FŽachad—ir <FŽach@d.—ir> wrote:
[quote:898d0a9bae]Scr’obh Jochen <jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com>:
In article <cb91164f483cdfbd5184e6b6ebe49b9e.121266@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Diarmid Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed to
support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population can be
free of colonial oppression?
Things are never your fault, are they? Anybody can learn at least one
other language with ease. All it takes is a bit of work. There is no gift
involved.
Can't be that difficult. I know two year olds who can manage it.
[/quote:898d0a9bae]
In fairness, two year old's brains are particularly malleable at that
age to the learning of languages, but also in fairness, Diarmid should
put his money where his mouth is and at least have a decent go at
learning Irish. I have and I know that I have further to go but I am
determined to continue.
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| michael adams |
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 4:55 am |
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"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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[quote:322607c2d4]Scríobh Jochen <jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com>:
In article
cb91164f483cdfbd5184e6b6ebe49b9e.121266@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Diarmid Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed
to
support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population can be
free of colonial oppression?
Things are never your fault, are they? Anybody can learn at least one
other language with ease. All it takes is a bit of work. There is no
gift
involved.
Can't be that difficult. I know two year olds who can manage it.
[/quote:322607c2d4]
....
Nice one:
It's believed small children are in fact hard wired* for easy language
acquisition.
IIRR its been demonstrated experimentally, that this appears to
deteriorate with non-use in later years.
michael adams
*so Chomsky claimed to have demonstated with his deep structures
at least
[quote:322607c2d4]--
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| Diarmid Logan |
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:12 am |
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Jochen <jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:<4c8240d932jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com>...
[quote:94f32b666b]In article <cb91164f483cdfbd5184e6b6ebe49b9e.121266@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Diarmid Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed to
support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population can be
free of colonial oppression?
Things are never your fault, are they?
[/quote:94f32b666b]
How am I blaming anyone else for my own inability to speak Irish?
[quote:94f32b666b]Anybody can learn at least one
other language with ease. All it takes is a bit of work. There is no gift
involved.
[/quote:94f32b666b]
I have tried to learn Irish and have been unsuccessful. Now what does
my inability to speak Irish have to do with the fact that the British
have been oppressing the indigenous Irish for centuries? |
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| Jochen |
| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:29 am |
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In article <6d220a72.0402180712.72b6ecd5@posting.google.com>, Diarmid
Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:3445371324]Jochen <jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:<4c8240d932jochenTRAPlueg@freeuk.com>...
In article
cb91164f483cdfbd5184e6b6ebe49b9e.121266@mygate.mailgate.org>,
Diarmid Logan <diarmidlogan@yahoo.com> wrote:
*Sigh* So because I don't have a gift for languages I am not allowed
to support an united Ireland where the indigenous Irish population
can be free of colonial oppression?
Things are never your fault, are they?
How am I blaming anyone else for my own inability to speak Irish?
[/quote:3445371324]
By saying that you 'lack the gift'. It doesn't take a gift to learn
another language, just a bit of work.
[quote:3445371324]Anybody can learn at least one other language with ease. All it takes
is a bit of work. There is no gift involved.
I have tried to learn Irish and have been unsuccessful.
[/quote:3445371324]
If the way you approach learning a language is as one-sided as your approach
to history, I am not surprised.
[quote:3445371324]Now what does my
inability to speak Irish have to do with the fact that the British have
been oppressing the indigenous Irish for centuries?
[/quote:3445371324]
What has the fact that you think that the British have been oppressing all
the world to do with anything? It is your own fixed indigenous idea and
your chosen tool to make yourself look like an oppressed idiot every time
you write something. It has very little to do with reality as we know it.
Jochen
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