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| flora macdonald |
 Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:55 pm |
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"miss calm" <dufize.aram@nospam.cat> wrote in message news:<c0lg8p$o3p$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
[quote:5f0257e311]"Roberto (aka bfb)" <_@-._> wrote in message
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"Roberto (aka bfb)" <_@-._> wrote in message
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"miss calm" <dufize.aram@nospam.cat> wrote in message
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Not only are Irish people white, but they are far more racist
than
people
in
Britain.
Coming from the original racist country, that's a hoot.
How do you know which country I come from? I might come from Erin
for
as
far
as you know.
I might have personal experience of widespread Irish racism for all
you
know.
Ok the post came from Britain. Ok back up your racist statement.
So? There are millions of Irish people in the UK.
Are you one of these Republican terrorists by the way, stirring up
anti-British hatred on the Net in order to gain recruits?
I said it came from a racist country. Britain is taking care of any
recruitment issues.
I thought so. Why dont you eff off then onto an Irish newsgroup and keep
your Republican propaganda to 'yourselves alone'.
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I am British, born in London (Scottish parents) and living in Dublin.
I am surprised tha no Scot has objected to the term Scotch being
applied to them. It is rather like calling Irish "Paddies" or English
"Poms".
We have Scotch Whisky (no e) but the people are Scots or Scottish.
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| michael adams |
| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:15 pm |
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"flora macdonald" <msflora99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[quote:77f79164fc]I am British, born in London (Scottish parents) and living in Dublin.
I am surprised tha no Scot has objected to the term Scotch being
applied to them. It is rather like calling Irish "Paddies" or English
"Poms".
We have Scotch Whisky (no e) < snip
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And not forgetting Flora margarine of course.
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[quote:77f79164fc]Flora
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| OldWiseMan |
| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:03 pm |
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Just so you know what you are dealing with:
"Bob from Boston" (aka Roberto, aka BfB, aka Skippy)
<_@-._> wrote in message
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"I would like to see any Arab Muslims barred
from this country for at least 5 years, for a start. They are a primitive,
murderous, lying blight on this earth, plain and simple."
And he's the guy that's talking about other people being racist  |
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| Gerry Doyle |
| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:09 pm |
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"T. A. Lane" <terrylane@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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[quote:b922df530d]I don't know the answer to this, but I asked my boyfriend and this is what
he said. He said he wasn't 100% positive, but this is his best guess:
I'm no expert on this stuff, but as I understand it, the Irish are
different
because they are more purely Celtic than the rest of the UK or Continental
Europe (both of which were Celtic at one time, but later shifted). Europe
was not settled by Africans.
[/quote:b922df530d]
So where did the first peoples come from, if not Africa?
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| Gerry Doyle |
| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:08 pm |
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"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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[quote:77564a45d4]Scríobh "T. A. Lane" <terrylane@earthlink.net>:
I don't know the answer to this, but I asked my boyfriend and this is
what
he said. He said he wasn't 100% positive, but this is his best guess:
I'm no expert on this stuff, but as I understand it, the Irish are
different
because they are more purely Celtic than the rest of the UK or
Continental
Europe
Celtic is a linguistic designation.
[/quote:77564a45d4]
Is it?
There are Celtic in Ireland,
[quote:77564a45d4]Britain, and France.
[/quote:77564a45d4]
Aren't the central Europeans celtic of sorts too? Maybe not the same sort
of celts, but I'd have thought that the majority of celts, maybe not so much
now but definitely in the past, were to be found all along the Danube
direction?
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| Duke of URL |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:27 am |
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In news:c0md0j$18dqh2$1@ID-166912.news.uni-berlin.de,
OldWiseMan <oldwiseman999@hotmail.com> radiated into the
WorldWideWait:
[quote:aecb0450dc]Just so you know what you are dealing with:
"Bob from Boston" (aka Roberto, aka BfB, aka Skippy)
_@-._> wrote in message
news:ZnHKb.7393$uF6.2029556@news1.news.adelphia.net...
"I would like to see any Arab Muslims barred
from this country for at least 5 years, for a start. They are a
primitive, murderous, lying blight on this earth, plain and simple."
And he's the guy that's talking about other people being racist
[/quote:aecb0450dc]
OTOH, neither Arab nor Muslim is a "race"... |
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| Féachadóir |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:09 am |
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Scríobh "Gerry Doyle" <alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net>:
[quote:511d39cc94]
"Féachadóir" <Féach@d.óir> wrote in message
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Scríobh "T. A. Lane" <terrylane@earthlink.net>:
I don't know the answer to this, but I asked my boyfriend and this is
what
he said. He said he wasn't 100% positive, but this is his best guess:
I'm no expert on this stuff, but as I understand it, the Irish are
different
because they are more purely Celtic than the rest of the UK or
Continental
Europe
Celtic is a linguistic designation.
Is it?
[/quote:511d39cc94]
Yes. The Celts are the peoples of northern Europe who spoke -and
speak- Celtic languages. In essence, the non-Germanic Iron Age
northern European cultures.
[quote:511d39cc94]There are Celtic in Ireland,
Britain, and France.
Aren't the central Europeans celtic of sorts too?
[/quote:511d39cc94]
No, they have some Celtic ancestry. Depending on how you define
"central" Europe, most of them these days speak either Germanic or
Slavic languages.
[quote:511d39cc94]Maybe not the same sort
of celts, but I'd have thought that the majority of celts, maybe not so much
now but definitely in the past, were to be found all along the Danube
direction?
[/quote:511d39cc94]
Central Europe is Celtic in the same way that Dublin is Viking, or
Marseilles is Greek. Its part of its history, not its present.
--
"Ferr fíor fertaib"
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| O'Rahilly |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:24 am |
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On 14 Feb 2004 05:05:32 -0800, cuddleyfred@excite.com (Cuddley Fred)
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[quote:633a725b92]. I once listened (in London as it happens) to a song by an
Irish musician which was about the hardship of Irish migrant workers
(i think the words were ‘pity the poor immigrant'.)
[/quote:633a725b92]
Sounds like the Dylan song "I Pity the Poor Immigrant". A typically
complex Dylan song which quotes the Book of Leviticus it can be
interpreted in many different ways though not many would see it as
being about Irish migrant workers.
I pity the poor immigrant
Whose strength is spent in vain,
Whose heaven is like Ironsides,
Whose tears are like rain,
Who eats but is not satisfied,
Who hears but does not see,
Who falls in love with wealth itself
And turns his back on me. |
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| mícheal méféin |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:09 pm |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:09:32 -0000, "Gerry Doyle"
<alacrity@NOFECKINSPAMeircom.net> wrote:
[quote:11ff9aadfd]So where did the first peoples come from, if not Africa?
[/quote:11ff9aadfd]
It's a secret, but you have to promise not to tell, because if you do
and especially if you take pleasure in it, you'll be committing a
mortal sin...
Promise?
OK., it's Ireland.
"Ireland??" you cry in a mix of laughter and irritation as your temper
starts to unloosen. "Ireland!!" you scream. "Get the feck outa here!!"
But there's evidence, living proof, quite independent of DNA or
genetic markers or even matrilineal descent.
The proof is in the Sistine Chapel, captured on a ceiling fresco
entitled 'The Creation of Adam'.
Adam, as I'm sure you know even if you've never opened a Bible in your
life, is allegedly the first man and the fresco shows God reaching out
to him (reaching out - is God American?) and giving him life or
whatever was going on there; frankly it all looks a bit dodgy to me,
nobody with a stitch of clothing on, but...
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/M/michelangelo/creation.jpg.html
In the fresco you can see a dwarfish-looking fella with perfect
alabaster buttocks clinging to God's back like a baby chimp and those
of you who can lipread will have noticed that the dwarf is snarling at
Adam, "Feck off, ye pouf - I was here first, so go feck yerself!"
Regulars will confirm that perfect alabaster buttocks are Unki's
unique, personal trademark, lusted after by pederasts and pit bulls
across the globe. Imagine the horror of it all...
Anyway, there you have it - conclusive proof that the first man came
from Ireland and even more excitingly, is still with us! (Although the
word is that he's been smelling a bit mouldy lately...)
mícheal méféin |
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| OldWiseMan |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:48 pm |
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"Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote in message
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[quote:567d64b88f]In news:c0md0j$18dqh2$1@ID-166912.news.uni-berlin.de,
OldWiseMan <oldwiseman999@hotmail.com> radiated into the
WorldWideWait:
Just so you know what you are dealing with:
"Bob from Boston" (aka Roberto, aka BfB, aka Skippy)
_@-._> wrote in message
news:ZnHKb.7393$uF6.2029556@news1.news.adelphia.net...
"I would like to see any Arab Muslims barred
from this country for at least 5 years, for a start. They are a
primitive, murderous, lying blight on this earth, plain and simple."
And he's the guy that's talking about other people being racist :)
OTOH, neither Arab nor Muslim is a "race"...
[/quote:567d64b88f]
Bob likes to cast his net wide |
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| Kora |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:29 pm |
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On the 'Adam' note.
Going by the bible mankind was wiped out by the flood.
[In the bible it states the flood was the first time rain came upon the Earth (coming of the rainbow) as prior to this a mist watered the whole Earth. The water levels were lowered by a cold wind (probually forming of the ice caps) - Check the bible, it's all there ]
One man, his wife, his three sons and his sons wives were the only people to survive.
They settled in the land of 'Shinar' which the true bible (in Hebrew) states is west of Mount Ararat. Later in the bible the Jews state that parts of Shinar was also under rule by the Babylonian Empire of Nebuchadnezzar so is therefore most likely to be in what is now modern Turkey.
Going by the bible, the cradle for modern civilization is TURKEY. 
From there they settled Assyria (if i'm correct Chaldea is within Assyria) |
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| Kora |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:39 pm |
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I've been told that most the people of northern Ireland are of Scottish descent. I was told that the wealthy land owners (many of English descent) wanted the land in Scotland for farming and therefore sent the peasents packing to Ireland. This is where the Protestant/Catholic divide arose from.
Is this true?? 
If this is the case, The Scots descended from the Scottis who is were a tribe that invaded Scotland.
The Northern Irish have basically gone back to the land of their forefathers.
This is not meant to excuse the fact they were booted out of Scotland, (all nations have done these things, I don't hold a grudge against Italy for the Roman invasion, lol) rather the fact they are Irish anyway. |
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| O'Kiwi |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:42 pm |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:00:39 GMT, "T. A. Lane"
<terrylane@earthlink.net> wrote:
The very title of your posting gives me reason to doubt its sincerity
and your motivations but I will give you the benefit of the doubt for
the time being.
[quote:329dba63d9]I don't know the answer to this, but I asked my boyfriend and this is what
he said. He said he wasn't 100% positive, but this is his best guess:
I'm no expert on this stuff, but as I understand it, the Irish are different
because they are more purely Celtic than the rest of the UK or Continental
Europe (both of which were Celtic at one time, but later shifted).
[/quote:329dba63d9]
The Irish have more than Celtic blood running in their veins. Its
truer to speak of Celtic culture than "Celtic ethnicity" if you
like....we've had long and sometimes pointless and silly arguments
based on genetic research in this newsgroup but a few interesting
things can be taken from the genetic research done by Prof Sykes et
all and the one that springs to mind is the <sigh> 'haplotype'
information. Notably the result which showed that 98% of men from
Connaught with Gaelic surnames shared a common haplotype. The fact
that this is nigh on universal, in Connaught, indicates that this
genetic feature is really quite old. So old that, it is believed, that
the haplotype in question has been present in the human population of
Ireland for a substantial period of time before the Celtic culture,
let alone anyone of "Celtic Ethnicity" (if such a thing exists) ever
arrived in Ireland.
[quote:329dba63d9]Europe was not settled by Africans.
[/quote:329dba63d9]
Europe was settled by people who's ultimate origin was African.
[quote:329dba63d9]Europe is a true melting pot; various peoples
swept back and forth over Europe, or at least parts of it, at various times
in history.
[/quote:329dba63d9]
Indeed.
[quote:329dba63d9]Among these are the Aryans, the Greeks, the Romans, the
Normans, the Celts, the Franks/Gauls,
[/quote:329dba63d9]
Gauls are Celts, Franks are Germanic.
[quote:329dba63d9]the Goths, the Teutons and the Nordics.
[/quote:329dba63d9]
Some of these groups overlap...
[quote:329dba63d9]Differences in what later became the various countries of Europe
are attributable to the the various pockets where these different peoples
eventually settled and/or dominated. Thus, when the Celts were swept away,
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"The Celts" have never been swept away. What did happen was that the
Celtic culture was superceded.
[quote:329dba63d9]the last remaining bastion of the Celts was Ireland.
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False. Wales, Scotland, Cornwall, Man, Brittany and even parts of
England still bear significant Celtic influence...and even further
into Continental Europe...you're just taking it for granted and
assuming that a lot of present Continental European culture has no
Celtic component when it does...
[quote:329dba63d9]The Gauls/Franks/Normans became France...and so on.
"Newsgroup Poster" <ng_poster@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Honest question, folks --
Can anyone confirm or deny WITH "scholarly citation" the following
statements?
The Irish at one time were not viewed as "white" by the British (since
"race" is a sociological construct anyway, and the definition back
then was such that many spoke in all earnesty of categories like "the
German race", "the Irish race", etc.).
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Yes probably they did. It just goes to show what an awful bunch of
racist pillocks they can be.
[quote:329dba63d9]The British Army as of as late as 1940 categorized recruits into five
races: Norman, Welsh, Scotch, Irish, and English?
[/quote:329dba63d9]
Norman? I don't think so...Denominational affiliation was important.
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| O'Kiwi |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:43 pm |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:06:55 -0000, "miss calm"
<dufize.aram@nospam.cat> wrote:
[quote:079562573c]Not only are Irish people white, but they are far more racist than people in
Britain.
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That, is not my impression at all. What is the equivalent of the
"National Front" in Ireland then?
Tell me first though, have you ever actually lived in Ireland?
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| O'Kiwi |
| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:45 pm |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:44:33 -0000, "miss calm"
<dufize.aram@nospam.cat> wrote:
[quote:dfe0a12a45]"Roberto (aka bfb)" <_@-._> wrote in message
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"miss calm" <dufize.aram@nospam.cat> wrote in message
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Not only are Irish people white, but they are far more racist than
people
in
Britain.
Coming from the original racist country, that's a hoot.
How do you know which country I come from? I might come from Erin for as far
as you know.
[/quote:dfe0a12a45]
Do you?
[quote:dfe0a12a45]I might have personal experience of widespread Irish racism for all you
know.
[/quote:dfe0a12a45]
Do you? Its a new one on me.
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