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| Representative Trantis |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:14 pm |
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Why does a human female's vagina point forwards, not back, as it does in
quadrapeds.
The vagina of a quadrapedal female is at the back, a little below the tail.
This is presumably because it is easier for a quadrapedal male to mount her
from behind/slightly on top. With human females the vagina has moved
forwards. The cervix still points in the direction of a backward vagina, no
doubt a left over from a quadrapedal ancestor. However, this introduces a
lot of problems for humans giving birth, as it requires a baby to turn an
angle of 45 degrees.
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems, must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it? |
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| Guest |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:46 pm |
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Representative Trantis wrote:
Quote:
Why does a human female's vagina point forwards, not back, as it does in
quadrapeds.
The vagina of a quadrapedal female is at the back, a little below the tail.
This is presumably because it is easier for a quadrapedal male to mount her
from behind/slightly on top. With human females the vagina has moved
forwards. The cervix still points in the direction of a backward vagina, no
doubt a left over from a quadrapedal ancestor. However, this introduces a
lot of problems for humans giving birth, as it requires a baby to turn an
angle of 45 degrees.
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems, must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it?
How about because DAFNz, a million years ago, were too stupid to
realize they dropped something unless it plopped out the front... |
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| Philip Deitiker |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:48 pm |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:14:29 -0000, "Representative Trantis"
<a@a.com> did some sarious thank'n and scribbled:
Quote: Why does a human female's vagina point forwards, not back, as it does in
quadrapeds.
The vagina of a quadrapedal female is at the back, a little below the tail.
This is presumably because it is easier for a quadrapedal male to mount her
from behind/slightly on top. With human females the vagina has moved
forwards. The cervix still points in the direction of a backward vagina, no
doubt a left over from a quadrapedal ancestor. However, this introduces a
lot of problems for humans giving birth, as it requires a baby to turn an
angle of 45 degrees.
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems, must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it?
[Sigh] Here we go again. |
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| Michael Clark |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:54 pm |
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"Representative Trantis" <a@a.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Why does a human female's vagina point forwards, not back, as it does in
quadrapeds.
The vagina of a quadrapedal female is at the back, a little below the
tail.
This is presumably because it is easier for a quadrapedal male to mount
her
from behind/slightly on top. With human females the vagina has moved
forwards. The cervix still points in the direction of a backward vagina,
no
doubt a left over from a quadrapedal ancestor. However, this introduces a
lot of problems for humans giving birth, as it requires a baby to turn an
angle of 45 degrees.
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems,
must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it?
Not every trait must necessarily be advantageous. A moments
reflection will be sufficient to reinforce this simple observation. Why
the hell, for example, do I still have an appendix? Why does my
back scream at me all day long? etc etc.
The presumption that the human phenotype is molded directly from forces
acting through selection is to fall into a trap --one that threatens to lead
the hapless traveler through an endless intellectual wasteland out of
which their is no exit, and from which there is no hope of reward.
See the posts of Marc Verhaegen. |
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| Tedd |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:23 pm |
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"Philip Deitiker" wrote
Quote: "Representative Trantis" did some sarious thank'n and scribbled:
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems, must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it?
[Sigh] Here we go again.
phil, do you have a theory for where these people come from? from a genetic
standpoint that is,... |
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| Representative Trantis |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:45 pm |
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"Philip Deitiker" <Nopdeitik@att.net.spam > wrote in message
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Quote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:14:29 -0000, "Representative Trantis"
a@a.com> did some sarious thank'n and scribbled:
Why does a human female's vagina point forwards, not back, as it does in
quadrapeds.
The vagina of a quadrapedal female is at the back, a little below the
tail.
This is presumably because it is easier for a quadrapedal male to mount
her
from behind/slightly on top. With human females the vagina has moved
forwards. The cervix still points in the direction of a backward vagina,
no
doubt a left over from a quadrapedal ancestor. However, this introduces a
lot of problems for humans giving birth, as it requires a baby to turn an
angle of 45 degrees.
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems,
must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it?
[Sigh] Here we go again.
Very helpfull post..... |
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| Representative Trantis |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 5:45 pm |
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"Tedd" <Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Philip Deitiker" wrote
"Representative Trantis" did some sarious thank'n and scribbled:
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems,
must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it?
[Sigh] Here we go again.
phil, do you have a theory for where these people come from? from a
genetic
standpoint that is,...
again, another helpfull post...... |
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| Philip Deitiker |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:05 pm |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:23:14 -0700, "Tedd"
<Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> did some sarious thank'n and
scribbled:
Quote:
"Philip Deitiker" wrote
"Representative Trantis" did some sarious thank'n and scribbled:
Why did humans evolve that way? Such an adaption causing such problems, must
have had a big evolutionary advantage. What was it?
[Sigh] Here we go again.
phil, do you have a theory for where these people come from? from a genetic
standpoint that is,...
From a box of fruitloops. See fruitloops don't have a prize
in them, so given that fact a number of individuals have
come forth and self-appointed themselves the prize in the
box of fruitloops. |
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| Tedd |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:37 pm |
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"Representative Trantis" <a@a.com> wrote in message
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Quote: again, another helpfull post......
goes right along with some of your questions.
perhaps if we felt more secure in your intent. by way of example; a name instead
of a star trek character; engaging a bit more in some of the "discussions" you
seem to have an affinity for rather than just simply showing up to post a
question usually in regards to some sexual function or organs of such; repeating
the same questions over the period of a few short months, etc..
there are plenty of people here willing to engage with you in discussion
regardless of perversion of content, (look at jabers).
you have to admit, your own history has shown the majority of your questions to
share a common thread very closely aligned towards perversion or at the least an
odd sense of humor when you neither elaborate upon the thought process nor the
reasonings behind the habitual resurgence of that underlying element. thats
enough to give some people a case of the heebie-jeebies about you.
would you like me to show you the extent of your current question;
"Why does a human female's vagina point forwards, not back, as it does in
quadrapeds."?
obvious answer; because a human is not a quadraped. you may as well ask why a
human doesnt have gills like a fish. the majority of the questions you have been
asking can all be answered by picking up a book and doing a little research for
yourself. personally, i have no qualms about answering any sincere questions, in
fact i rather enjoy it. your questions may very well be sincere and straight
forward with myself and a few others maybe allowing our over-active imaginations
to run wild. but then again,...
at this point you'll do one of three things;
1.) try to defend yourself against what you perceive as attacks of character,
part of which could also include a counter-attack. (this is the one i think
you'll take)
2.) think objectively about what was said and consider the pattern you have
projected of yourself, in which may or may not choose to response. (this is the
one i'd like you to take, i'm sure you can put alot of positive contributions
and fresh perspectives to the groups rather than just lurking)
3.) say nothing and keep doing what your doing in a c'est la ve mentality. (in
which case i really dont care, i've spent too much time on you already).
hi, my name is tedd, i have a wife and one kid and i go to school for
anthropology (unless i fail my foreign language requirements this semester in
which case i'll be working at the golden arches with rick sobie servin up
burgers for tom)
who are you? |
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| r norman |
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:21 pm |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:37:28 -0700, "Tedd"
<Jacobs@mail.boisestate.edu> wrote:
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"Representative Trantis" <a@a.com> wrote in message
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again, another helpfull post......
goes right along with some of your questions.
perhaps if we felt more secure in your intent. by way of example; a name instead
of a star trek character; engaging a bit more in some of the "discussions" you
seem to have an affinity for rather than just simply showing up to post a
question usually in regards to some sexual function or organs of such; repeating
the same questions over the period of a few short months, etc..
there are plenty of people here willing to engage with you in discussion
regardless of perversion of content, (look at jabers).
you have to admit, your own history has shown the majority of your questions to
share a common thread very closely aligned towards perversion or at the least an
odd sense of humor when you neither elaborate upon the thought process nor the
reasonings behind the habitual resurgence of that underlying element. thats
enough to give some people a case of the heebie-jeebies about you.
would you like me to show you the extent of your current question;
"Why does a human female's vagina point forwards, not back, as it does in
quadrapeds."?
obvious answer; because a human is not a quadraped. you may as well ask why a
human doesnt have gills like a fish. the majority of the questions you have been
asking can all be answered by picking up a book and doing a little research for
yourself. personally, i have no qualms about answering any sincere questions, in
fact i rather enjoy it. your questions may very well be sincere and straight
forward with myself and a few others maybe allowing our over-active imaginations
to run wild. but then again,...
at this point you'll do one of three things;
1.) try to defend yourself against what you perceive as attacks of character,
part of which could also include a counter-attack. (this is the one i think
you'll take)
2.) think objectively about what was said and consider the pattern you have
projected of yourself, in which may or may not choose to response. (this is the
one i'd like you to take, i'm sure you can put alot of positive contributions
and fresh perspectives to the groups rather than just lurking)
3.) say nothing and keep doing what your doing in a c'est la ve mentality. (in
which case i really dont care, i've spent too much time on you already).
hi, my name is tedd, i have a wife and one kid and i go to school for
anthropology (unless i fail my foreign language requirements this semester in
which case i'll be working at the golden arches with rick sobie servin up
burgers for tom)
who are you?
I agree wholeheartedly with Tedd on this analysis. You
(Representative Travis) do have a history of asking rather strange
questions. A few such questions and people could (and dd) assume you
were really just a total stranger to biology with a weird sense of
curiosity and simply wanted to learn. Those responses tended to be
informative. But the silliness can only be tolerated up to a point
and then your motives start to be questioned.
I am Dick, an animal physiologist who really does enjoy helping
people, especially non-scientists, to understand and appreciate the
many complexities and subtleties and incredible beauty in biology. |
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| Darrell |
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:50 am |
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"Michael Clark" <biteme@spammer.com> wrote :
Quote: Not every trait must necessarily be advantageous. A moments
reflection will be sufficient to reinforce this simple observation. Why
the hell, for example, do I still have an appendix? Why does my
back scream at me all day long? etc etc.
The presumption that the human phenotype is molded directly from forces
acting through selection is to fall into a trap --one that threatens to
lead
the hapless traveler through an endless intellectual wasteland out of
which their is no exit, and from which there is no hope of reward.
See the posts of Marc Verhaegen.
I quite agree with Michael here, not every change has an evolutionary
advantage...sometimes a species will go through changes that may or may not
be a 'good' adaptation to their environment. I remember an example my
anthropology professor used in one of our classes on evolution:
Panda bears have a 'thumb' which is actually a disjointed, protruding bone
which is quite clumsy. It doesn't actually have any function, it doesn't
help them in any way. Pandas also used to be carnivores and 'evolved' to
become herbivores, which have a very specific diet which is contributing to
their endangerment.
Just my thoughts...
D-
PS> I realize that the original post may not have been a completely serious
post, but I'm putting that aside and trying to answer it as seriously as I
can. If it's a legitimate post, then we have something to discuss and learn
from, and if not, we have something to discuss and learn from...the original
author just won't benefit from it.  |
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| Michael Clark |
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:55 am |
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"Darrell" <djoyce@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Michael Clark" <biteme@spammer.com> wrote :
Not every trait must necessarily be advantageous. A moments
reflection will be sufficient to reinforce this simple observation. Why
the hell, for example, do I still have an appendix? Why does my
back scream at me all day long? etc etc.
The presumption that the human phenotype is molded directly from forces
acting through selection is to fall into a trap --one that threatens to
lead
the hapless traveler through an endless intellectual wasteland out of
which their is no exit, and from which there is no hope of reward.
See the posts of Marc Verhaegen.
I quite agree with Michael here, not every change has an evolutionary
advantage...sometimes a species will go through changes that may or may
not
be a 'good' adaptation to their environment. I remember an example my
anthropology professor used in one of our classes on evolution:
Panda bears have a 'thumb' which is actually a disjointed, protruding bone
which is quite clumsy. It doesn't actually have any function, it doesn't
help them in any way. Pandas also used to be carnivores and 'evolved' to
become herbivores, which have a very specific diet which is contributing
to
their endangerment.
Just my thoughts...
Ah, but Pandas ~do~ use that thumb. It helps them hold onto
and strip bamboo --which is their principal food item. SJ Gould
wrote a book, remember?
The Panda's Thumb: More Reflections in Natural History
ISBN: 0-39330-8197
Actually called a radial sesamoid, it comes with its own
abductor muscle.
Quote: D-
PS> I realize that the original post may not have been a completely
serious
post, but I'm putting that aside and trying to answer it as seriously as I
can. If it's a legitimate post, then we have something to discuss and
learn
from, and if not, we have something to discuss and learn from...the
original
author just won't benefit from it.
Bingo  |
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| Nick Maclaren |
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:37 pm |
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In article <f8u2rvcdl8rd71b7drpo4930qukofgm0du@4ax.com>,
Philip Deitiker <Nopdeitik@att.net.spam > writes:
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|> >phil, do you have a theory for where these people come from? from a genetic
|> >standpoint that is,...
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|> From a box of fruitloops. See fruitloops don't have a prize
|> in them, so given that fact a number of individuals have
|> come forth and self-appointed themselves the prize in the
|> box of fruitloops.
Hmm. The fruitloop theory of evolution, commonly shortened to FLT.
Perhaps this should be crossposted to sci.physics.relativity :-)
Regards,
Nick Maclaren. |
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| Nick Maclaren |
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:38 pm |
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In article <vr47tjjrfvoo42@corp.supernews.com>,
"Michael Clark" <biteme@spammer.com> writes:
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|> Ah, but Pandas ~do~ use that thumb. It helps them hold onto
|> and strip bamboo --which is their principal food item. SJ Gould
|> wrote a book, remember?
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|> The Panda's Thumb: More Reflections in Natural History
|> ISBN: 0-39330-8197
Well worth reading.
Regards,
Nick Maclaren. |
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| Spiznet |
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:47 pm |
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What I want to know is why the original poster is so vain as to use
his nickname and the thread title. |
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