On Mar 21, 4:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...@sottovocce.com> wrote:
Webby, this person is clearly a N-C. He is only interested in reading
postings which support his ridiculous ideas. Anyone who disagrees is
dismissed or insulted. Reminds me of someone else..................

On Mar 20, 8:44 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...@cox.net> wrote:
I'll sleep much better knowing that you wouldn't even consider doing
"this" yourself if it involved "TMJ treatment". Whew! I was really
worried about that part.

Why don't you tell us your real objection instead of idiotic carcastic
replies. You know, I should've said that I HOPED for intelligent
replies, but I EXPECTED retards like you two. I guess since nobody can
give me a remotely convincing reason not to, I will do it. I'll keep
everyone updated, just to satisfy you if I hurt myself, or to satisfy
myself if it works.

Not like you care. I know you'll have even worse opinions of me when I
say: Those homeopathy "crazies" are right about organized dentistry
after all.

If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.

On Mar 19, 1:24 pm, techcalg...@hotmail.com wrote:

If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.

Dental colleges offer reduced prices b/c it's the under-grads who work
on you.

I'd advise you start there. And since you seem to know a few useful
things, why not ask them to explain what they are doing, why they
believe this course of action to be the best and potential problems
which could arise.
Go home, do your research, then make a second appointment to start the
actual procedures.

Write your questions down before you go so you don't forget.

PS: I'm sure a scouring of Google can eventually turn up what you are
asking. But even then, exercise caution with what you read. Just
because it's online doesn't make it true.

On Mar 19, 1:24 pm, techcalg...@hotmail.com wrote:

If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.

Dental colleges offer reduced prices b/c it's the under-grads who work
on you.

I'm not sure about exact terms. Maxillary lateral incisors are not
aligned (almost correct) with central incisors (rotated back). I will
need some aesthetic rotation (not translation, but forward rotation)
of my maxillary central incisors (lateral incisors and canines are
fine), along with rotating backward all mandibular incisors (not sure
about canines). There will not be a problem with occlusion after the
movement/rotation. Amount of movement at tips of incisors will be up
to 6mm (upper and lower). There is some mandibular crowding, but the
maxillary incisors are the only important aestheric change (mandibular
rotation is for occlusion).

I noticed a patent for "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" athttp://www.freshpatents.com/Do-it-yourself-orthodontic-kit-and-method...

I'm not sure if that product is available, or if it would work in my
case. It sounds like an Essix retainer. But it got me thinking:

It appears that with some assistance I could etch and bond brackets to
my own teeth. Has this been done and what are the success rates? Do
orthodontists ever bond brackets on themselves? I am not trained in
orthodontics and not sure if there are any specific books or other
resources that I can use.

Looks like R brackets would be the best, but I am not sure if I need
banded molar brackets for rotating incisors? Or can less brackets be
used and a shorter archwire for changes to incisors only? What would
be the duration? 6 months? Looks like a fixed retainer afterwards. Is
there a low visibility fixed retainer that can be bonded on the
outside of maxillary incisors? Plastic wire?

If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.

On Mar 19, 4:24 am, techcalg...@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure about exact terms. Maxillary lateral incisors are not
aligned (almost correct) with central incisors (rotated back). I will
need some aesthetic rotation (not translation, but forward rotation)
of my maxillary central incisors (lateral incisors and canines are
fine), along with rotating backward all mandibular incisors (not sure
about canines). There will not be a problem with occlusion after the
movement/rotation. Amount of movement at tips of incisors will be up
to 6mm (upper and lower). There is some mandibular crowding, but the
maxillary incisors are the only important aestheric change (mandibular
rotation is for occlusion).

I noticed a patent for "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" athttp://www.freshpatents.com/Do-it-yourself-orthodontic-kit-and-method...

I'm not sure if that product is available, or if it would work in my
case. It sounds like an Essix retainer. But it got me thinking:

It appears that with some assistance I could etch and bond brackets to
my own teeth. Has this been done and what are the success rates? Do
orthodontists ever bond brackets on themselves? I am not trained in
orthodontics and not sure if there are any specific books or other
resources that I can use.

Looks like R brackets would be the best, but I am not sure if I need
banded molar brackets for rotating incisors? Or can less brackets be
used and a shorter archwire for changes to incisors only? What would
be the duration? 6 months? Looks like a fixed retainer afterwards. Is
there a low visibility fixed retainer that can be bonded on the
outside of maxillary incisors? Plastic wire?

If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.

The issue isn't if you can bond your own brackets, it's correcting the
malocclusion. While it seems like you can just align the anteriors and
keep your posterior occlusion the same, it almost never works like
that. Where are you going to get the space to uncrowd your incisors?

it's your mouth though, and I"m assuming you're a DDS, so...

If you'd like to bond on your own brackets as accurately as possible,
look into "indirect bonding". it's a method of placing brackets onto a
plaster cast of your teeth, making a suckdown over it and bonding the
suckdown (with the brackets inside) onto your own teeth. I highly
doubt you or anyone else could place brackets directly in your own
mouth with any degree of precision. Indirect is the only way to go..

Even so, I'll bet $100 that once you put that first archwire in,
within 3 months, your posterior occlusion will have changed
significantly.

I'm not sure about exact terms. Maxillary lateral incisors are not
aligned (almost correct) with central incisors (rotated back). I will
need some aesthetic rotation (not translation, but forward rotation)
of my maxillary central incisors (lateral incisors and canines are
fine), along with rotating backward all mandibular incisors (not sure
about canines). There will not be a problem with occlusion after the
movement/rotation. Amount of movement at tips of incisors will be up
to 6mm (upper and lower). There is some mandibular crowding, but the
maxillary incisors are the only important aestheric change (mandibular
rotation is for occlusion).

I noticed a patent for "Do-it-yourself orthodontic kit and method" athttp://www.freshpatents.com/Do-it-yourself-orthodontic-kit-and-method...

I'm not sure if that product is available, or if it would work in my
case. It sounds like an Essix retainer. But it got me thinking:

It appears that with some assistance I could etch and bond brackets to
my own teeth. Has this been done and what are the success rates? Do
orthodontists ever bond brackets on themselves? I am not trained in
orthodontics and not sure if there are any specific books or other
resources that I can use.

Looks like R brackets would be the best, but I am not sure if I need
banded molar brackets for rotating incisors? Or can less brackets be
used and a shorter archwire for changes to incisors only? What would
be the duration? 6 months? Looks like a fixed retainer afterwards. Is
there a low visibility fixed retainer that can be bonded on the
outside of maxillary incisors? Plastic wire?

If your only reply is "you are silly. go and pay an orthodontist"
don't bother. Anyone that can point me in the right direction here is
appreciated.