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Torrey Shannon
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:12 am
Guest
On Mar 13, 5:21 am, "Jennie" <jamal...@aol.com> wrote:
Quote:
I transcribe numerous conferences and meetings pertaining to health
care.

I cannot tell you how many times I have heard health care
professionals, subject-matter experts in the field, give praise to the
Department of Veterans Affairs for their state-of-the-art technology
and quality medical care. These are doctors, nurses, clinicians, et
cetera, at these meetings.

Maybe here in D.C., we live under a rock, but my brother gets
EXCELLENT care from the VAMC on Irving Street in D.C. He is a happy
camper. When he went to Medford, Oregon, he also received EXELLENT
care from the VAMC. My brother is 100-percent service-connected, and
the VA has kept him alive and well. He would not be here today if it
were not for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

God bless the Department of Veterans Affairs and all the health care
workers who continue to serve the veterans.

Jennie
Washington, D.C.

On Mar 12, 7:00 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:



RaeMorrill wrote:
someone we know is fighting for these soldiers. Agree with the war or
not, I know all of us are concerned about the welfare of those who have
put their lives on the line.

What's even sadder is that a lot of VA Hospitals have
been the joke of the medical field for years. Every
surgeon we've had over the past 16 years had to put in
some time at one and they all said the same thing -
substandard facilities and too much red tape. I just
have to wonder why it's out in the open all of a sudden.

Marsha/Ohio- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jeannie,

We have a LOT in common! I used to live in Klamath Falls,
Oregon...the nearest town was Medford (76 miles away). And, after
living in the DC area for the last two years, we have crossed paths.

I do agree that there are WONDERFUL providers, institutions, and
programs available for Vets. However, it's the ones that are not up
to par that need to be looked at. This is where the furor over Walter
Reed comes in.

My husband has been treated at the DCVA and has no complaints. We
have yet to be "discharged" or "retired" in any way, so the followup
care he will receive from any VA has yet to be determined.

I commend your brother for his service. Please let him know that this
family is fighting for his rights because he took the time to fight
for ours.

Torrey Shannon
Susan Mitchell
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:30 pm
Guest
Yes, a majority of them do thank you very much!

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
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Quote:
Susan Mitchell wrote:
I think a lot of the problem was the outsourcing to private contractors
instead of the usual government workers who were doing such a good job
previously. That is happening a lot in government work and it flat out
is
not working!

Government workers doing a better job? ROTFLSHIWMP!
Susan Mitchell
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:01 pm
Guest
Government jobs are rarely paid more than outside but many work better than
the average and yes there are some workers that are horrible. Luckily, the
program is changing and those that are lousy are going to be easier to fire
and those that work their arses off will be rewarded accordingly, finally.
The problem with no-bid contracts (as in Walter Reed) is you have
corporations running them. Trust me that is a disaster. You want evil,
have a big corporation run a hospital, where money not lives is all that
matters at ALL costs. Cleanliness, health care be damned.

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" <mmeahan@TRASHsonic.net> wrote in
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Quote:
Susan Mitchell wrote:
Yes, a majority of them do thank you very much!

Well, I haven't seen any around here, that's for sure, but I will
concede that perhaps in places where the cost of living is lower and
people fight to get comparably-better-paying government jobs, the
relative quality of employee they get is probably better.
Marsha
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:11 pm
Guest
Torrey Shannon wrote:
Quote:
What's even sadder is that a lot of VA Hospitals have
been the joke of the medical field for years. Every
surgeon we've had over the past 16 years had to put in
some time at one and they all said the same thing -
substandard facilities and too much red tape. I just
have to wonder why it's out in the open all of a sudden.

Marsha/Ohio

Marsha,

I think that the situation at Walter Reed allowed for it to finally be
exposed with utter outrage, as there is a standard at Walter Reed that
is an expectation of the American People: It's supposed to be the
crown jewel of military medicine. If that hospital cannot hold up to
it's standard, then how can we expect any other military hospital or
VA to do the same?

It's out in the open because I spoke out. My husband spoke out. We
all spoke out. I give HUGE thanks to the Washington Post for
investigating this right under the noses of the command without ever
being noticed. Their investigation took four months! When Dana
Torrey Shannon


Torrey,

I'm glad you spoke out, so now something may finally be
done about it. With all due respect, though, it's the
timing of the piece that bothers me. This has been
going on for many, many years and some journalists just
decided now that it's important? Something's wrong
with this picture.

Marsha/Ohio
Marsha
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:34 pm
Guest
Susan Mitchell wrote:

Quote:
Government jobs are rarely paid more than outside but many work better than
the average and yes there are some workers that are horrible. Luckily, the
program is changing and those that are lousy are going to be easier to fire
and those that work their arses off will be rewarded accordingly, finally.
The problem with no-bid contracts (as in Walter Reed) is you have
corporations running them. Trust me that is a disaster. You want evil,
have a big corporation run a hospital, where money not lives is all that
matters at ALL costs. Cleanliness, health care be damned.


Susan,

I have to say in my particular family situation,
government workers definitely were not better or more
cost effective. My brother and sister-in-law were both
"lifers" for the Social Security Administration. Their
pay and benefits were outrageous compared to the
private sector, and they were always bragging about
what they "didn't" do. Government agencies are such
massive organizations that there is no one to answer
to. In my experience, most government workers are
sloths. They have unlimited resources (taxpayer
money). People kill for the coveted government job, as
it's almost recession proof. If you want something
done efficiently, at the best cost, farm it out to a
private organization, where resources are not unlimited
and there's a motive for the employees to do what
they're supposed to do.

Marsha/Ohio
Gisele
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 9:49 pm
Guest
Marsha Wrote:
Quote:

I'm glad you spoke out, so now something may finally be
done about it. With all due respect, though, it's the
timing of the piece that bothers me. This has been
going on for many, many years and some journalists just
decided now that it's important? Something's wrong
with this picture.

Marsha/Ohio

What's wrong with this picture is the treatment of these returning
soldiers. That's the only thing that's wrong.

Gisele


--
Gisele
Susan Mitchell
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:42 pm
Guest
They did a survey on my husband's job and his group was underpaid 33%
compared to outside comparable work, they received a 3% raise to "meet the
gap". He works his arse off. He has some people who do not work and he has
raised a stink about them to the point they have left. He is one that has
helped this new program go into effect that all government workers will only
get raises based on performance not tenure and they can be dropped like hot
potatoes if they are slackers! I love it as the bums will finally be gone
so your family members who brag about being slackers better retire while
they can as the slacker days will be ending! Hard workers will be rewarded
finally!

--
Sue -- Firefighter mom -- Still Rabid UW Dawg Fan!
(to reply send to medlawtrans@comcast.net)
"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:et7jfh$qmu$3@news.datemas.de...
Quote:
Susan Mitchell wrote:

Government jobs are rarely paid more than outside but many work better
than
the average and yes there are some workers that are horrible. Luckily,
the
program is changing and those that are lousy are going to be easier to
fire
and those that work their arses off will be rewarded accordingly,
finally.
The problem with no-bid contracts (as in Walter Reed) is you have
corporations running them. Trust me that is a disaster. You want evil,
have a big corporation run a hospital, where money not lives is all that
matters at ALL costs. Cleanliness, health care be damned.


Susan,

I have to say in my particular family situation,
government workers definitely were not better or more
cost effective. My brother and sister-in-law were both
"lifers" for the Social Security Administration. Their
pay and benefits were outrageous compared to the
private sector, and they were always bragging about
what they "didn't" do. Government agencies are such
massive organizations that there is no one to answer
to. In my experience, most government workers are
sloths. They have unlimited resources (taxpayer
money). People kill for the coveted government job, as
it's almost recession proof. If you want something
done efficiently, at the best cost, farm it out to a
private organization, where resources are not unlimited
and there's a motive for the employees to do what
they're supposed to do.

Marsha/Ohio
Jennie
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:17 am
Guest
What's going on with Walter Reed today? I heard they were moving
everything over to Bethesda Naval, which is also 5 minutes from my
house. I live about a half-a-block from the Maryland line, but in
D.C.

As an aside, I read this from the Stars and Stripes:

By Leo Shane III, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Sunday, January 21, 2007

WASHINGTON - Larry Smith wants a billiards table in every VA and
military hospital in America.

He has already started, by getting the first one for Walter Reed Army
Medical Center.

Now, he wants veterans groups to keep it going.

"If not a pool table, then some other leisure activity," the Navy
veteran said. "Too many of these places don't have anything extra for
their patients. It took me a few weeks' work to get this table in
there. Veterans groups can do even more."

Walter Reed officials installed the table last week, complete with new
cues and balls, for servicemembers recovering at the hospital.

Smith, a contractor from Wisconsin, said even though he lives more
than 700 miles away, the whole project took just a few weeks, thanks
to the generosity of citizens who want to help the military.

First, a fundraiser with assistance from his American Legion post and
Disabled Veterans of America chapter helped raise about $800 for the
effort.

Smith said when he approached Olhausen Billiards about buying and
delivering a table, they offered to donate one instead, and use his
money to pay for the accessories.

Sue Doyle, marketing director for the company, said officials with the
company wanted to do their part too.

"For a handful of people from a small town to make an effort like
this, it's pretty inspiring," she said. "We've sent tables overseas to
troops in the past, and we've sent some care packages of balls and
repair kits to troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. When our local dealer
heard about this, he found a table for [Walter Reed] right away."

Smith said his family has looked for ways to help the troops in the
past, but the billiards idea jumped into his head because of his own
time in the Navy.

"This was really a big deal for us; we didn't have video games or
other stuff, so we played pool a lot," he said. "It's just something
to help make them more comfortable."

Smith has already begun making more contacts to donate a second table
to the hospital, and he has started talking with officials at Bethesda
Naval Medical Center about getting one there.

But, he said, he knows dozens of other hospitals that would benefit
from similar gifts.

"I know local veterans groups that do some work, but others are
sitting on way too much money," he said. "I just want to get the
message out about how easy it is to help out."

I just thought I'd share a kind of feel-good story about how some
industry members do try to support our veterans.

In fact, I would like to know more about where this pool table is
going to be located.

Jennie
Washington, D.C.



On Mar 13, 9:12 am, "Torrey Shannon" <i...@passiongalleria.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 13, 5:21 am, "Jennie" <jamal...@aol.com> wrote:





I transcribe numerous conferences and meetings pertaining to health
care.

I cannot tell you how many times I have heard health care
professionals, subject-matter experts in the field, give praise to the
Department of Veterans Affairs for their state-of-the-art technology
and quality medical care. These are doctors, nurses, clinicians, et
cetera, at these meetings.

Maybe here in D.C., we live under a rock, but my brother gets
EXCELLENT care from the VAMC on Irving Street in D.C. He is a happy
camper. When he went to Medford, Oregon, he also received EXELLENT
care from the VAMC. My brother is 100-percent service-connected, and
the VA has kept him alive and well. He would not be here today if it
were not for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

God bless the Department of Veterans Affairs and all the health care
workers who continue to serve the veterans.

Jennie
Washington, D.C.

On Mar 12, 7:00 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:

RaeMorrill wrote:
someone we know is fighting for these soldiers. Agree with the war or
not, I know all of us are concerned about the welfare of those who have
put their lives on the line.

What's even sadder is that a lot of VA Hospitals have
been the joke of the medical field for years. Every
surgeon we've had over the past 16 years had to put in
some time at one and they all said the same thing -
substandard facilities and too much red tape. I just
have to wonder why it's out in the open all of a sudden.

Marsha/Ohio- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jeannie,

We have a LOT in common! I used to live in Klamath Falls,
Oregon...the nearest town was Medford (76 miles away). And, after
living in the DC area for the last two years, we have crossed paths.

I do agree that there are WONDERFUL providers, institutions, and
programs available for Vets. However, it's the ones that are not up
to par that need to be looked at. This is where the furor over Walter
Reed comes in.

My husband has been treated at the DCVA and has no complaints. We
have yet to be "discharged" or "retired" in any way, so the followup
care he will receive from any VA has yet to be determined.

I commend your brother for his service. Please let him know that this
family is fighting for his rights because he took the time to fight
for ours.

Torrey Shannon- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Torrey Shannon
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:52 pm
Guest
On Mar 13, 10:11 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
Quote:
Torrey Shannon wrote:
What's even sadder is that a lot of VA Hospitals have
been the joke of the medical field for years. Every
surgeon we've had over the past 16 years had to put in
some time at one and they all said the same thing -
substandard facilities and too much red tape. I just
have to wonder why it's out in the open all of a sudden.

Marsha/Ohio
Marsha,

I think that the situation at Walter Reed allowed for it to finally be
exposed with utter outrage, as there is a standard at Walter Reed that
is an expectation of the American People: It's supposed to be the
crown jewel of military medicine. If that hospital cannot hold up to
it's standard, then how can we expect any other military hospital or
VA to do the same?

It's out in the open because I spoke out. My husband spoke out. We
all spoke out. I give HUGE thanks to the Washington Post for
investigating this right under the noses of the command without ever
being noticed. Their investigation took four months! When Dana
Torrey Shannon

Torrey,

I'm glad you spoke out, so now something may finally be
done about it. With all due respect, though, it's the
timing of the piece that bothers me. This has been
going on for many, many years and some journalists just
decided now that it's important? Something's wrong
with this picture.

Marsha/Ohio- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Army has a way of suppressing things. I have been here for over
two years and spoke out a lot. However, the Public Affairs Office has
to give the "okay" for any news agency to come on campus to do any
story. They have to approve the content of anything put in print or
on film. Everything goes to the PAO office. Soldiers must get
permission to speak via the PAO office, etc.

In this case, the PAO office was deliberately left OUT of the
picture. The Washington Post reporters went on base (it's an open
base) without the knowledge of the command and conducted their
investigation. It took four months to do, but it was well worth it.

Because I had recently left Walter Reed as an employee, I was no
longer required to go through the PAO office. I fed them the
information they needed, and my husband simply spoke out and said, "Be
damned to the PAO office and command" and risked his career to do so.

In other words, the Washington Post circumvented the very offices that
prevented other news agencies from getting the story discovered and
out to the public. They did a damn good job, too!

Torrey
Marsha
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:53 pm
Guest
Susan Mitchell wrote:
Quote:
They did a survey on my husband's job and his group was underpaid 33%
compared to outside comparable work, they received a 3% raise to "meet the
gap". He works his arse off. He has some people who do not work and he has
raised a stink about them to the point they have left. He is one that has
helped this new program go into effect that all government workers will only
get raises based on performance not tenure and they can be dropped like hot
potatoes if they are slackers! I love it as the bums will finally be gone
so your family members who brag about being slackers better retire while
they can as the slacker days will be ending! Hard workers will be rewarded
finally!


Susan,

I'm sure they're not all slackers. BTW, my brother and
sister-in-law have been retired for two years, at the
ripe old age of 54, with a huge bank account.

Marsha/Ohio
RaeMorrill
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:54 pm
Guest
Torrey Shannon Wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 13, 10:11 pm, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
Torrey Shannon wrote:
What's even sadder is that a lot of VA Hospitals have
been the joke of the medical field for years. Every
surgeon we've had over the past 16 years had to put in
some time at one and they all said the same thing -
substandard facilities and too much red tape. I just
have to wonder why it's out in the open all of a sudden.

Marsha/Ohio
Marsha,

I think that the situation at Walter Reed allowed for it to finally
be
exposed with utter outrage, as there is a standard at Walter Reed
that
is an expectation of the American People: It's supposed to be the
crown jewel of military medicine. If that hospital cannot hold up
to
it's standard, then how can we expect any other military hospital
or
VA to do the same?

It's out in the open because I spoke out. My husband spoke out.
We
all spoke out. I give HUGE thanks to the Washington Post for
investigating this right under the noses of the command without
ever
being noticed. Their investigation took four months! When Dana
Torrey Shannon

Torrey,

I'm glad you spoke out, so now something may finally be
done about it. With all due respect, though, it's the
timing of the piece that bothers me. This has been
going on for many, many years and some journalists just
decided now that it's important? Something's wrong
with this picture.

Marsha/Ohio- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Army has a way of suppressing things. I have been here for over
two years and spoke out a lot. However, the Public Affairs Office has
to give the "okay" for any news agency to come on campus to do any
story. They have to approve the content of anything put in print or
on film. Everything goes to the PAO office. Soldiers must get
permission to speak via the PAO office, etc.

In this case, the PAO office was deliberately left OUT of the
picture. The Washington Post reporters went on base (it's an open
base) without the knowledge of the command and conducted their
investigation. It took four months to do, but it was well worth it.

Because I had recently left Walter Reed as an employee, I was no
longer required to go through the PAO office. I fed them the
information they needed, and my husband simply spoke out and said, "Be
damned to the PAO office and command" and risked his career to do so.

In other words, the Washington Post circumvented the very offices that
prevented other news agencies from getting the story discovered and
out to the public. They did a damn good job, too!

Torrey
You go, Torrey. They might be able to "control" military personnel but

they can hardly shut up their spouses. I think if he had been punished
for speaking out the backlash when it became public would have been
horrendous. Every citizen should have the right to speak out - this is
not a matter of national security after all - just a big black eye for
a govt responsible for treating those who risk their lives fighting for
it like so much garbage. He ought to get a medal!


--
RaeMorrill
 
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