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Guest
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:35 pm
There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space. You are the one who
claim spacetime exist and that it is curved AKA different worldlines
"straight
lines" between A and B can have as many distances/lengths that there
is paths in spacetime.

I say it is an illusion of the chosen geometry Minkowski and the
Lorentz transformation.

I think that you refuse to do a simple excersize plot three ships and
two moving lightpulses in a cordinate system, that actually could be
used to study the events.

That tells me alot about your intention, you know
that llight travel variant in space and that *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* is
a fraud. You know that receeding and enclosure velocities of light is
variant in flat Euclidian space.

They are only invariant in the *ILLUSION* of Minkowsky spacetime and
the Lorentz transformation AKA curved spacetime.

NO ERIC THE UNIVERSE WON'T BUDGE FOR A MOVING PARTICLE, NOT EVEN FOR
A
SHIP. IT WILL NOT WRINKLE LIKE A SHEET AND IT WILL NOT CURVE TRUTH IS
IT WILL NOT EVEN CURL A HAIR ON MY HEAD.

And i think you are pretty much aware of it.

Best regards Jonas Thörnvall
It's a Miracle
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:29 pm
Guest
hA another clown like my wife. I bet this one is Ted Kennedy. Nobody
talks english no more!

WAAAAHHHH!

Fucking clown!

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Igor
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:40 pm
Guest
On Feb 28, 11:35 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:
Quote:
There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space.

There is if you're trying to map a globally non-Euclidean space to a
globally Euclidean space. It won't go. You can only treat a non-
Euclidean space as Euclidean locally.

Quote:
You are the one who
claim spacetime exist and that it is curved AKA different worldlines
"straight
lines" between A and B can have as many distances/lengths that there
is paths in spacetime.

Who's this "you" and what exactly are you trying to say? There is a
sharp distinction between curved (non-Euclidean) space and flat
(Euclidean) space. And all your moaning will not change that.

Quote:
I say it is an illusion of the chosen geometry Minkowski and the
Lorentz transformation.

How can curvature be an illusion of those things, when SR says
absolutely nothing about curvature?

Quote:
I think that you refuse to do a simple excersize plot three ships and
two moving lightpulses in a cordinate system, that actually could be
used to study the events.

That tells me alot about your intention, you know
that llight travel variant in space and that *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* is
a fraud. You know that receeding and enclosure velocities of light is
variant in flat Euclidian space.

Invariant lightspeed is an intrinsic assumption of SR and its
consequences have never been falsified. And just what do you mean by
"variant"?

Quote:
They are only invariant in the *ILLUSION* of Minkowsky spacetime and
the Lorentz transformation AKA curved spacetime.

Where do you get that? Minkowski spacetime can be flat and LTs can be
applied to flat spaces. SR is entirely Euclidean. You're the one
that seems to under an illusion.

Quote:
NO ERIC THE UNIVERSE WON'T BUDGE FOR A MOVING PARTICLE, NOT EVEN FOR
A
SHIP. IT WILL NOT WRINKLE LIKE A SHEET AND IT WILL NOT CURVE TRUTH IS
IT WILL NOT EVEN CURL A HAIR ON MY HEAD.

It always helps to understand exactly what you're trying to refute
before you try to refute it. Apparently, you know nothing about
relativity and this nonsense post proves it.
It's a Miracle
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:00 pm
Guest
Your all fucking clowns.

HAAAAAAAA!

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Guest
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:04 pm
On 28 Feb, 18:40, "Igor" <thoov...@excite.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 28, 11:35 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:

There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space.

There is if you're trying to map a globally non-Euclidean space to a
globally Euclidean space. It won't go. You can only treat a non-
Euclidean space as Euclidean locally.

No space is Euclidian always was you live in an illusion and do not
even dare plot events in flat spacetime because it will debunk your
illusion of invariant light and finally your silly idea of SR and
curved spacetime.

Quote:
You are the one who
claim spacetime exist and that it is curved AKA different worldlines
"straight
lines" between A and B can have as many distances/lengths that there
is paths in spacetime.

Who's this "you" and what exactly are you trying to say? There is a
sharp distinction between curved (non-Euclidean) space and flat
(Euclidean) space. And all your moaning will not change that.

Well since you bothered to answer i guess some part was directed to
you. I am well aware of the differece between the illusion of curved
geometric spacetime due to minkowsky and lorentz transformation and
flat real euclidian spacetime and cartessian coordinate systems.


Quote:
I say it is an illusion of the chosen geometry Minkowski and the
Lorentz transformation.

How can curvature be an illusion of those things, when SR says
absolutely nothing about curvature?

Well SR cerainly affect the enclosure metric and make the lightpaths
vector dependent a child could see that and so could even someone like
you if you just cared to plot the events. But you will not.

Quote:
I think that you refuse to do a simple excersize plot three ships and
two moving lightpulses in a cordinate system, that actually could be
used to study the events.

That tells me alot about your intention, you know
that llight travel variant in space and that *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* is
a fraud. You know that receeding and enclosure velocities of light is
variant in flat Euclidian space.

Invariant lightspeed is an intrinsic assumption of SR and its
consequences have never been falsified. And just what do you mean by
"variant"?

Fuck you people make up your mind intrisic assumption, as measured, by
definition, will your delusions never end????

I falsified it here and now just plot the events in the cartesian
coordinate system, it will show you that the enclosure velocity
differs, and if you now start to say that different enclosure
velocities and light that moves not none symmetric through space not
invalidate *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* i just feel sorry for you.

Quote:
They are only invariant in the *ILLUSION* of Minkowsky spacetime and
the Lorentz transformation AKA curved spacetime.

Where do you get that? Minkowski spacetime can be flat and LTs can be
applied to flat spaces. SR is entirely Euclidean. You're the one
that seems to under an illusion.

NO ERIC THE UNIVERSE WON'T BUDGE FOR A MOVING PARTICLE, NOT EVEN FOR
A
SHIP. IT WILL NOT WRINKLE LIKE A SHEET AND IT WILL NOT CURVE TRUTH IS
IT WILL NOT EVEN CURL A HAIR ON MY HEAD.

It always helps to understand exactly what you're trying to refute
before you try to refute it. Apparently, you know nothing about
relativity and this nonsense post proves it.

Well i actually understand what i say you however have no idea what
you calculate, because you are parroting.

Best regards Jonas Thörnvall
Igor
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:30 pm
Guest
On Feb 28, 1:04 pm, j...@tele2.se wrote:
Quote:
On 28 Feb, 18:40, "Igor" <thoov...@excite.com> wrote:

On Feb 28, 11:35 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:

There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space.

There is if you're trying to map a globally non-Euclidean space to a
globally Euclidean space. It won't go. You can only treat a non-
Euclidean space as Euclidean locally.

No space is Euclidian always was you live in an illusion and do not
even dare plot events in flat spacetime because it will debunk your
illusion of invariant light and finally your silly idea of SR and
curved spacetime.

You are the one who
claim spacetime exist and that it is curved AKA different worldlines
"straight
lines" between A and B can have as many distances/lengths that there
is paths in spacetime.

Who's this "you" and what exactly are you trying to say? There is a
sharp distinction between curved (non-Euclidean) space and flat
(Euclidean) space. And all your moaning will not change that.

Well since you bothered to answer i guess some part was directed to
you. I am well aware of the differece between the illusion of curved
geometric spacetime due to minkowsky and lorentz transformation and
flat real euclidian spacetime and cartessian coordinate systems.

I say it is an illusion of the chosen geometry Minkowski and the
Lorentz transformation.

How can curvature be an illusion of those things, when SR says
absolutely nothing about curvature?

Well SR cerainly affect the enclosure metric and make the lightpaths
vector dependent a child could see that and so could even someone like
you if you just cared to plot the events. But you will not.

I think that you refuse to do a simple excersize plot three ships and
two moving lightpulses in a cordinate system, that actually could be
used to study the events.

That tells me alot about your intention, you know
that llight travel variant in space and that *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* is
a fraud. You know that receeding and enclosure velocities of light is
variant in flat Euclidian space.

Invariant lightspeed is an intrinsic assumption of SR and its
consequences have never been falsified. And just what do you mean by
"variant"?

Fuck you people make up your mind intrisic assumption, as measured, by
definition, will your delusions never end????

I falsified it here and now just plot the events in the cartesian
coordinate system, it will show you that the enclosure velocity
differs, and if you now start to say that different enclosure
velocities and light that moves not none symmetric through space not
invalidate *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* i just feel sorry for you.

They are only invariant in the *ILLUSION* of Minkowsky spacetime and
the Lorentz transformation AKA curved spacetime.

Where do you get that? Minkowski spacetime can be flat and LTs can be
applied to flat spaces. SR is entirely Euclidean. You're the one
that seems to under an illusion.

NO ERIC THE UNIVERSE WON'T BUDGE FOR A MOVING PARTICLE, NOT EVEN FOR
A
SHIP. IT WILL NOT WRINKLE LIKE A SHEET AND IT WILL NOT CURVE TRUTH IS
IT WILL NOT EVEN CURL A HAIR ON MY HEAD.

It always helps to understand exactly what you're trying to refute
before you try to refute it. Apparently, you know nothing about
relativity and this nonsense post proves it.

Well i actually understand what i say you however have no idea what
you calculate, because you are parroting.

Best regards Jonas Thörnvall

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was addressing someone who was only
slightly confused and was possibly willing to actually learn something
about real physics. I guess I was wrong about both. Come back when
you graduate from the third grade.
Guest
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:46 pm
On 28 Feb, 19:30, "Igor" <thoov...@excite.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 28, 1:04 pm, j...@tele2.se wrote:





On 28 Feb, 18:40, "Igor" <thoov...@excite.com> wrote:

On Feb 28, 11:35 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:

There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space.

There is if you're trying to map a globally non-Euclidean space to a
globally Euclidean space. It won't go. You can only treat a non-
Euclidean space as Euclidean locally.

No space is Euclidian always was you live in an illusion and do not
even dare plot events in flat spacetime because it will debunk your
illusion of invariant light and finally your silly idea of SR and
curved spacetime.

You are the one who
claim spacetime exist and that it is curved AKA different worldlines
"straight
lines" between A and B can have as many distances/lengths that there
is paths in spacetime.

Who's this "you" and what exactly are you trying to say? There is a
sharp distinction between curved (non-Euclidean) space and flat
(Euclidean) space. And all your moaning will not change that.

Well since you bothered to answer i guess some part was directed to
you. I am well aware of the differece between the illusion of curved
geometric spacetime due to minkowsky and lorentz transformation and
flat real euclidian spacetime and cartessian coordinate systems.

I say it is an illusion of the chosen geometry Minkowski and the
Lorentz transformation.

How can curvature be an illusion of those things, when SR says
absolutely nothing about curvature?

Well SR cerainly affect the enclosure metric and make the lightpaths
vector dependent a child could see that and so could even someone like
you if you just cared to plot the events. But you will not.

I think that you refuse to do a simple excersize plot three ships and
two moving lightpulses in a cordinate system, that actually could be
used to study the events.

That tells me alot about your intention, you know
that llight travel variant in space and that *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* is
a fraud. You know that receeding and enclosure velocities of light is
variant in flat Euclidian space.

Invariant lightspeed is an intrinsic assumption of SR and its
consequences have never been falsified. And just what do you mean by
"variant"?

Fuck you people make up your mind intrisic assumption, as measured, by
definition, will your delusions never end????

I falsified it here and now just plot the events in the cartesian
coordinate system, it will show you that the enclosure velocity
differs, and if you now start to say that different enclosure
velocities and light that moves not none symmetric through space not
invalidate *INVARIANT LIGHTSPEED* i just feel sorry for you.

They are only invariant in the *ILLUSION* of Minkowsky spacetime and
the Lorentz transformation AKA curved spacetime.

Where do you get that? Minkowski spacetime can be flat and LTs can be
applied to flat spaces. SR is entirely Euclidean. You're the one
that seems to under an illusion.

NO ERIC THE UNIVERSE WON'T BUDGE FOR A MOVING PARTICLE, NOT EVEN FOR
A
SHIP. IT WILL NOT WRINKLE LIKE A SHEET AND IT WILL NOT CURVE TRUTH IS
IT WILL NOT EVEN CURL A HAIR ON MY HEAD.

It always helps to understand exactly what you're trying to refute
before you try to refute it. Apparently, you know nothing about
relativity and this nonsense post proves it.

Well i actually understand what i say you however have no idea what
you calculate, because you are parroting.

Best regards Jonas Thörnvall

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was addressing someone who was only
slightly confused and was possibly willing to actually learn something
about real physics. I guess I was wrong about both. Come back when
you graduate from the third grade.- Dölj citerad text -

- Visa citerad text -

No need for you to come back until you actually plotted the events in
the cartesian coordinate system. After that you will be welcome with
any thoughts on the subject.

Jonas Thörnvall
Bill Hobba
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:43 pm
Guest
<jt64@tele2.se> wrote in message
news:1172680544.811327.296330@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space.

Unless of course experiment shows it is not Euclidian - which on large
scales it is. On small scales too - but the difference is negligible and
requires very precise measurements.

Bill
Eric Gisse
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:35 pm
Guest
On Feb 28, 7:35 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:
Quote:
There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space. You are the one who
claim spacetime exist and that it is curved AKA different worldlines
"straight
lines" between A and B can have as many distances/lengths that there
is paths in spacetime.

Just because you have grown accustomed to your own stupidity does not
mean others have.

STOP USING EUCLIDEAN SPACE IN YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT RELATIVITY, YOU
INBRED MORON.

[snip remaining drek which is based on an amazingly stupid assumption]
Guest
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:49 am
On 1 Mar, 04:35, "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 28, 7:35 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:

There is no stupidity involved in chosing the Euclidian space as
cordinate system for plotting events in space. You are the one who
claim spacetime exist and that it is curved AKA different worldlines
"straight
lines" between A and B can have as many distances/lengths that there
is paths in spacetime.

Just because you have grown accustomed to your own stupidity does not
mean others have.

STOP USING EUCLIDEAN SPACE IN YOUR ARGUMENTS ABOUT RELATIVITY, YOU
INBRED MORON.

[snip remaining drek which is based on an amazingly stupid assumption]

Stop be a fucking low IQ moron, oooops oh that would be impossible
wouldn't it. And i can see by your answers and reason you have quite
alot of inbreed along your genetic lines. That will not stop you from
calculate result from hyperbolic geometric that you do not understand
would it lol. Well you know once you learn a monkey to smoke or eat
shit they have a hard time to stop don't they.

lol maybe your brain been affected by that diet of daily been feeding
shit, it never occured to you?

Best regard Jonas Thörnvall
Eric Gisse
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:07 am
Guest
On Feb 28, 11:49 pm, j...@tele2.se wrote:
[snip junk]

Why are you getting so mad over a subject you don't understand?
Guest
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:27 am
On 1 Mar, 11:07, "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 28, 11:49 pm, j...@tele2.se wrote:
[snip junk]

Why are you getting so mad over a subject you don't understand?

No you started to insult me and i payed back, and it was over a
subject you do not clearly understand.

You are a parrot Eric i can spot one very quick, some dogs, branches
of apes are easily trained too.


They do not wonder away very far thinking about the things they
learned though.


Well no problem, Eric parrots and parroting actually a very useful
skill in most branches. Even in physics and maths they can have their
fair share of use within the educational system. One have to be very
careful with what one parrot though.


And where a little problem occur you have no idea of the validity of
the thing you parrot. And since you lack the intelligence to actually
investigate the subjects with your mind, your choice of parroting
wasn't that great.


However i must congratulate you doing a good job parooring, you are
top ranked.


Best regards Jonas Thörnvall
Guest
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:28 am
On 1 Mar, 11:07, "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 28, 11:49 pm, j...@tele2.se wrote:
[snip junk]

Why are you getting so mad over a subject you don't understand?

No you started to insult me and i payed back, and it was over a
subject you do not clearly understand.

You are a parrot Eric i can spot one very quick, some dogs, branches
of apes are easily trained too.


They do not wonder away very far thinking about the things they
learned though.


Well no problem, Eric parrots and parroting actually a very useful
skill in most branches. Even in physics and maths they can have their
fair share of use within the educational system. One have to be very
careful with what one parrot though.


And where a little problem occur you have no idea of the validity of
the thing you parrot. And since you lack the intelligence to actually
investigate the subjects with your mind, your choice of parroting
wasn't that great.


However i must congratulate you doing a good job parooring, you are
top ranked.


Best regards Jonas Thörnvall
Eric Gisse
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:24 pm
Guest
On Mar 1, 1:28 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:
[...]

Why are you getting so mad over a subject you don't understand?

Euclidean geometry has nothing to do with relativity. Stop pretending
it does, and I'll stop calling you stupid.
Guest
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:33 pm
On 1 Mar, 22:24, "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Mar 1, 1:28 am, j...@tele2.se wrote:
[...]

Why are you getting so mad over a subject you don't understand?

Euclidean geometry has nothing to do with relativity. Stop pretending
it does, and I'll stop calling you stupid.

You are a fucking moron Gisse if i were using a killfile you were
killfiled, i will read your worthless drivel but i will not bother
respond it. You are a fucking monkey trained in the art of parroting
and may i say so you do it with bravure but see all that shit coming
out from your mouth again and again make me a little notious.

Where the fuck can one find a good monkey reprogrammer when one need
one, because this fucking monkey Gisse need one. I think after SR is
exposed as a fraud Gisses parents will pay good for one because the
little shithead sitting plotting wormholes and scharzwald radiuses all
day on his room wondering when captain Kirk coming back.

JT
 
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