Bill who takes aspirin daily and has High BP thought this was
interesting. Sort of damed if you do damed if you don't.

......................



http://online.barrons.com/article/ON-CO-20070226-812585.html?mod=9_0002_d
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MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 2007 4:10 p.m. EST

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

By Val Brickates Kennedy

BOSTON (Dow Jones) -- Older men who frequently use three of the most
popular over-the-counter pain relievers face a heightened risk of
developing high blood pressure, a new medical study shows.

According to researchers at Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital, the
study showed that men who frequently took such widely used pain killers
as aspirin, ibuprofen and acetaminophen had up to a 38% increased risk
of developing high blood pressure.

"This is important because acetaminophen, ibuprofen and aspirin are the
three most commonly used drugs in the U.S., and high blood pressure
affects about 60 million Americans," said the hospital's Dr. John
Forman, author of the study, in an e-mail interview. "High blood
pressure is one of the leading causes of heart disease and death."

Forman said he did not want to comment on whether the Food and Drug
Administration should have the drugs carry warning labels advising of
the risk, stating that was a public-policy issue.

The study found the highest risk was associated with a group of pain
relievers known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDs,
which include ibuprofen and naproxen. Ibuprofen is also marketed under
the brand names Advil, Motrin and Nuprin. Naproxen can be found under
the names Aleve and Naprosyn.

Men who used NSAIDs six or seven times a week showed a 38% increased
risk of developing hypertension, the researchers found.

Acetaminophen users had the next highest risk, with an increased
hypertension rate of 34% when the drug was used six to seven times a
week. Acetaminophen is also marketed under the brand names Tylenol and
Panadol.

Acetaminophen and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs already have
warnings advising caution when taken by patients who drink three or more
alcoholic drinks per day.

Aspirin, which is commonly prescribed to patients at risk of suffering a
heart attack because of its blood-thinning properties, also carried a
risk. Men who used the medication six to seven times a week exhibited a
26% increased risk of developing high blood pressure.

The results were based on an analysis of data collected from 2000
through 2004 on men with a median age of 65 and no history of
hypertension who were taking the medications. Of the 16,031 men
analyzed, 1,968 developed high blood pressure. The data is part of a
larger ongoing study started by the hospital in 1986 that is tracking
the health patterns of male medical professionals.

Any elevation can be harmful

The study did not measure to what degree the men's blood pressure was
raised or whether the symptoms subsided once they stopped taking the
drugs, said Forman.

"That being said, it is well established that even small increases in
blood pressure translate into significant increases in risk of
cardiovascular death and disease," said Forman. "Therefore, 'slightly'
elevated blood pressure is also dangerous."

Despite the findings, Forman noted that the drugs are still a valuable
medical option.

"While we are highlighting certain potential risks, these medications
also have benefits, including pain control, and in the case of aspirin
for some people, reduction in heart-attack risk," said Forman.

"Patients and their clinicians should make informed choices," Forman
added.

Results of the study will be published in the Feb. 26 issue of the
Archives of Internal Medicine, a publication of the American Medical
Society. The research was funded by the American Heart Association and
the National Institutes of Health.

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

According to researchers at Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital, the
study showed that men who frequently took such widely used pain killers
as aspirin, ibuprofen and acetaminophen had up to a 38% increased risk
of developing high blood pressure.

William Wagner <not-to-here-williamwag@gmail.com> wrote in part:


According to researchers at Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital, the
study showed that men who frequently took such widely used pain killers
as aspirin, ibuprofen and acetaminophen had up to a 38% increased risk
of developing high blood pressure.


These drugs have very different pharmacological actions. I suspect they
don't increase the risk of high blood pressure. I suspect the fact that
these people have frequent pain might be associated with developing high
blood pressure.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Statistical association does not necessarily mean that the OTC pain
relievers are raising blood pressure.

A more likely explanation is that
snip

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in messagenews:1172526847.172766.246600@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...> Statistical association does not necessarily mean that the OTC pain
relievers are raising blood pressure.

A more likely explanation is that

snip
why do you care,chunks?according to you-we are all dead in a few days.
stupid fuck.

x-no-archive: yes

Jim Chinnis wrote:
William Wagner <not-to-here-williamwag@gmail.com> wrote in part:


According to researchers at Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital, the
study showed that men who frequently took such widely used pain killers
as aspirin, ibuprofen and acetaminophen had up to a 38% increased risk
of developing high blood pressure.


These drugs have very different pharmacological actions. I suspect they
don't increase the risk of high blood pressure. I suspect the fact that
these people have frequent pain might be associated with developing high
blood pressure.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA


That was my first thought, but I think it may be a little bit of both.

I think folks in chronic pain are likely dealing with conditions that
can raise bp. I also know that NSAIDS damage kidneys and may contribute
to ht that way. The fact that the rates of ht were so different for
acetaminophen and NSAIDS is suggestive of a link, too.

Susan

On Feb 26, 8:55 pm, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!"
nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
messagenews:1172526847.172766.246600@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Statistical association does not necessarily mean that the OTC pain
relievers are raising blood pressure.

A more likely explanation is that

snip
why do you care,chunks?according to you-we are all dead in a few days.
stupid fuck.

What, you really think he believes the bullshit he posts here?

no-he has no right giving his death dealer advice to those who seek medical

Bill who takes aspirin daily and has High BP thought this was
interesting. Sort of damed if you do damed if you don't.

......................

http://online.barrons.com/article/ON-CO-20070226-812585.html?mod=9_00...
jbn_home

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 2007 4:10 p.m. EST

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

By Val Brickates Kennedy

BOSTON (Dow Jones) -- Older men who frequently use three of the most
popular over-the-counter pain relievers face a heightened risk of
developing high blood pressure, a new medical study shows.

According to researchers at Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital, the
study showed that men who frequently took such widely used pain killers
as aspirin, ibuprofen and acetaminophen had up to a 38% increased risk
of developing high blood pressure.

"This is important because acetaminophen, ibuprofen and aspirin are the
three most commonly used drugs in the U.S., and high blood pressure
affects about 60 million Americans," said the hospital's Dr. John
Forman, author of the study, in an e-mail interview. "High blood
pressure is one of the leading causes of heart disease and death."

Forman said he did not want to comment on whether the Food and Drug
Administration should have the drugs carry warning labels advising of
the risk, stating that was a public-policy issue.

The study found the highest risk was associated with a group of pain
relievers known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDs,
which include ibuprofen and naproxen. Ibuprofen is also marketed under
the brand names Advil, Motrin and Nuprin. Naproxen can be found under
the names Aleve and Naprosyn.

Men who used NSAIDs six or seven times a week showed a 38% increased
risk of developing hypertension, the researchers found.

Acetaminophen users had the next highest risk, with an increased
hypertension rate of 34% when the drug was used six to seven times a
week. Acetaminophen is also marketed under the brand names Tylenol and
Panadol.

Acetaminophen and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs already have
warnings advising caution when taken by patients who drink three or more
alcoholic drinks per day.

Aspirin, which is commonly prescribed to patients at risk of suffering a
heart attack because of its blood-thinning properties, also carried a
risk. Men who used the medication six to seven times a week exhibited a
26% increased risk of developing high blood pressure.

The results were based on an analysis of data collected from 2000
through 2004 on men with a median age of 65 and no history of
hypertension who were taking the medications. Of the 16,031 men
analyzed, 1,968 developed high blood pressure. The data is part of a
larger ongoing study started by the hospital in 1986 that is tracking
the health patterns of male medical professionals.

Any elevation can be harmful

The study did not measure to what degree the men's blood pressure was
raised or whether the symptoms subsided once they stopped taking the
drugs, said Forman.

"That being said, it is well established that even small increases in
blood pressure translate into significant increases in risk of
cardiovascular death and disease," said Forman. "Therefore, 'slightly'
elevated blood pressure is also dangerous."

Despite the findings, Forman noted that the drugs are still a valuable
medical option.

"While we are highlighting certain potential risks, these medications
also have benefits, including pain control, and in the case of aspirin
for some people, reduction in heart-attack risk," said Forman.

"Patients and their clinicians should make informed choices," Forman
added.

Results of the study will be published in the Feb. 26 issue of the
Archives of Internal Medicine, a publication of the American Medical
Society. The research was funded by the American Heart Association and
the National Institutes of Health.

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

On 26 Feb, 16:39, William Wagner <not-to-here-william...@gmail.com
wrote:
Bill who takes aspirin daily and has High BP thought this was
interesting. Sort of damed if you do damed if you don't.

......................

http://online.barrons.com/article/ON-CO-20070226-812585.html?mod=9_00...
jbn_home

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 2007 4:10 p.m. EST

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

By Val Brickates Kennedy

BOSTON (Dow Jones) -- Older men who frequently use three of the most
popular over-the-counter pain relievers face a heightened risk of
developing high blood pressure, a new medical study shows.

According to researchers at Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital, the
study showed that men who frequently took such widely used pain killers
as aspirin, ibuprofen and acetaminophen had up to a 38% increased risk
of developing high blood pressure.

"This is important because acetaminophen, ibuprofen and aspirin are the
three most commonly used drugs in the U.S., and high blood pressure
affects about 60 million Americans," said the hospital's Dr. John
Forman, author of the study, in an e-mail interview. "High blood
pressure is one of the leading causes of heart disease and death."

Forman said he did not want to comment on whether the Food and Drug
Administration should have the drugs carry warning labels advising of
the risk, stating that was a public-policy issue.

The study found the highest risk was associated with a group of pain
relievers known as non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDs,
which include ibuprofen and naproxen. Ibuprofen is also marketed under
the brand names Advil, Motrin and Nuprin. Naproxen can be found under
the names Aleve and Naprosyn.

Men who used NSAIDs six or seven times a week showed a 38% increased
risk of developing hypertension, the researchers found.

Acetaminophen users had the next highest risk, with an increased
hypertension rate of 34% when the drug was used six to seven times a
week. Acetaminophen is also marketed under the brand names Tylenol and
Panadol.

Acetaminophen and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs already have
warnings advising caution when taken by patients who drink three or more
alcoholic drinks per day.

Aspirin, which is commonly prescribed to patients at risk of suffering a
heart attack because of its blood-thinning properties, also carried a
risk. Men who used the medication six to seven times a week exhibited a
26% increased risk of developing high blood pressure.

The results were based on an analysis of data collected from 2000
through 2004 on men with a median age of 65 and no history of
hypertension who were taking the medications. Of the 16,031 men
analyzed, 1,968 developed high blood pressure. The data is part of a
larger ongoing study started by the hospital in 1986 that is tracking
the health patterns of male medical professionals.

Any elevation can be harmful

The study did not measure to what degree the men's blood pressure was
raised or whether the symptoms subsided once they stopped taking the
drugs, said Forman.

"That being said, it is well established that even small increases in
blood pressure translate into significant increases in risk of
cardiovascular death and disease," said Forman. "Therefore, 'slightly'
elevated blood pressure is also dangerous."

Despite the findings, Forman noted that the drugs are still a valuable
medical option.

"While we are highlighting certain potential risks, these medications
also have benefits, including pain control, and in the case of aspirin
for some people, reduction in heart-attack risk," said Forman.

"Patients and their clinicians should make informed choices," Forman
added.

Results of the study will be published in the Feb. 26 issue of the
Archives of Internal Medicine, a publication of the American Medical
Society. The research was funded by the American Heart Association and
the National Institutes of Health.

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade
http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

This is simply amazing. I thought everyone already knew that even 81
mg a day raised blood pressures measurably. How can it be new news?

"Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172541738.074825.204110@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 8:55 pm, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!"
nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
messagenews:1172526847.172766.246600@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Statistical association does not necessarily mean that the OTC pain
relievers are raising blood pressure.

A more likely explanation is that

snip
why do you care,chunks?according to you-we are all dead in a few days.
stupid fuck.

What, you really think he believes the bullshit he posts here?

no-he has no right giving his death dealer advice to those who seek
medical help.
those that are medically ill he preys on-thinking in their weakend
condition they will fall for his snake oil pitch.
i've known this all along-he is to simple to see thru.

x-no-archive: yes

Jim Chinnis wrote:
William Wagner <not-to-here-williamwag@gmail.com> wrote in part:


According to researchers at Boston's Brigham & Women's Hospital, the
study showed that men who frequently took such widely used pain killers
as aspirin, ibuprofen and acetaminophen had up to a 38% increased risk of
developing high blood pressure.


These drugs have very different pharmacological actions. I suspect they
don't increase the risk of high blood pressure. I suspect the fact that
these people have frequent pain might be associated with developing high
blood pressure.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA


That was my first thought, but I think it may be a little bit of both.

I think folks in chronic pain are likely dealing with conditions that can
raise bp. I also know that NSAIDS damage kidneys and may contribute to ht
that way. The fact that the rates of ht were so different for
acetaminophen and NSAIDS is suggestive of a link, too.

Susan

"I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" <nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote in messagenews:7tednb4Es_bSTH7YnZ2dnUVZ_rCsnZ2d@giganews.com...





"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172541738.074825.204110@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 8:55 pm, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!"
nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
messagenews:1172526847.172766.246600@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Statistical association does not necessarily mean that the OTC pain
relievers are raising blood pressure.

A more likely explanation is that

snip
why do you care,chunks?according to you-we are all dead in a few days.
stupid fuck.

What, you really think he believes the bullshit he posts here?

no-he has no right giving his death dealer advice to those who seek
medical help.
those that are medically ill he preys on-thinking in their weakend
condition they will fall for his snake oil pitch.
i've known this all along-he is to simple to see thru.

Hey you guys, take it easy, this is Dr. Chung we're talking about here, show
some fucking respect! Actaully, he probably would have made a decent doctor
during the middle ages (when a doctor was just as likely to be the town
butcher.)

Another thing to consider, Chung has his imaginary patients
follow his 2 pound per day diet, but Chung himself is carrying about 10 tons
worth of iridium around in his head, so he's an extremely dense individual.
Trying to get through to Chung is akin to shooting an airgun at a tank or
attempting to knock a power grid out by cutting a loud fart.

On Feb 27, 1:03 pm, "Machete" <Mach...@home.com> wrote:
"I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" <nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote in
messagenews:7tednb4Es_bSTH7YnZ2dnUVZ_rCsnZ2d@giganews.com...





"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172541738.074825.204110@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 8:55 pm, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!"
nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
messagenews:1172526847.172766.246600@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Statistical association does not necessarily mean that the OTC pain
relievers are raising blood pressure.

A more likely explanation is that

snip
why do you care,chunks?according to you-we are all dead in a few
days.
stupid fuck.

What, you really think he believes the bullshit he posts here?

no-he has no right giving his death dealer advice to those who seek
medical help.
those that are medically ill he preys on-thinking in their weakend
condition they will fall for his snake oil pitch.
i've known this all along-he is to simple to see thru.

Hey you guys, take it easy, this is Dr. Chung we're talking about here,
show
some fucking respect! Actaully, he probably would have made a decent
doctor
during the middle ages (when a doctor was just as likely to be the town
butcher.)

Or the barber, who usually sidelined in bloodletting, leaching, and
family dentistry.

Another thing to consider, Chung has his imaginary patients
follow his 2 pound per day diet, but Chung himself is carrying about 10
tons
worth of iridium around in his head, so he's an extremely dense
individual.
Trying to get through to Chung is akin to shooting an airgun at a tank or
attempting to knock a power grid out by cutting a loud fart.

Difference between Dr. Meng^H^H^H Chung and a medieval barber is,
no medieval barber in his right mind would prescribe acetone as a
food supplement.


Doubtless, but would really made me realize Chung was completely spun was

"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1172602410.733231.60070@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...

On Feb 27, 1:03 pm, "Machete" <Mach...@home.com> wrote:
"I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" <nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote in
messagenews:7tednb4Es_bSTH7YnZ2dnUVZ_rCsnZ2d@giganews.com...

"Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172541738.074825.204110@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 8:55 pm, "I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!"
nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote:
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
messagenews:1172526847.172766.246600@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
Statistical association does not necessarily mean that the OTC pain
relievers are raising blood pressure.

A more likely explanation is that

snip
why do you care,chunks?according to you-we are all dead in a few
days.
stupid fuck.

What, you really think he believes the bullshit he posts here?

no-he has no right giving his death dealer advice to those who seek
medical help.
those that are medically ill he preys on-thinking in their weakend
condition they will fall for his snake oil pitch.
i've known this all along-he is to simple to see thru.

Hey you guys, take it easy, this is Dr. Chung we're talking about here,
show
some fucking respect! Actaully, he probably would have made a decent
doctor
during the middle ages (when a doctor was just as likely to be the town
butcher.)

Or the barber, who usually sidelined in bloodletting, leaching, and
family dentistry.

Another thing to consider, Chung has his imaginary patients
follow his 2 pound per day diet, but Chung himself is carrying about 10
tons
worth of iridium around in his head, so he's an extremely dense
individual.
Trying to get through to Chung is akin to shooting an airgun at a tank or
attempting to knock a power grid out by cutting a loud fart.

Difference between Dr. Meng^H^H^H Chung and a medieval barber is,
no medieval barber in his right mind would prescribe acetone as a
food supplement.

Doubtless, but would really made me realize Chung was completely spun was
the fact that he stated that people who are starving are not actually
hungry, huh?

"Stalingrad" by Antony Beevor is a book about the German invasion of
Stalingrad (Russia) that took place in August of 1942 and the subsequent
encirclement and destruction of Field Marshall Paulus's Sixth Army (nearly
300,000 men including the Russians who were captured and dragooned into
fighting or working for the Germany Army.) After the failed attempt on
Moscow, Hitler set his eyes on the Caucascus, the oil fields of southern
Russia. This eventually lead to a city called Stalingrad (on the Volga
River) where the most bloody and merciless battle in the history of the
world would take place. It started out with General Richthofen's relay
boming of the city in early August, killing close to 40,000 civilians and
totally destroying the city. This was simply the beginning, by the end of
the battle, over one million men, women and children would die in just six
months. Nearly twice the amount lost in the entire Civil War and twice the
amount of American deaths throughout the entire WW2 campaign (in both
theatres.) All in one 6 month battle. The amount of deaths was largly due
to Hitler's refusal to allow and breakouts of withdrawals and Stalin's same
attitude, not to mention the Soviet style of attack which in the beginning
of the battle, was nothing short of suicidal. Just wait, I am going
somewhere with this!

In the latter chapters, much attention is given to the effects of starvation
on an individual and one of the biggest side effects of starvation tends to
be hunger! Even in their death throes, German soliders could think of
nothing but food. Often times, men who were starving to death (and near
death) were suddenly brought large amounts of fatty food (sometimes air
supplies would slip through massive amounts of flak) and warned to eat it
very slowly, many did not and died as a result. Even men with diseases such
as Typhus and Typhoid were preoccupied with food. In fact, most German
soliders and officers were much more concerned about the decreased rations
than the fact that they were encircled and doomed to die by either a Soviet
bullet, shell, a death camp (if captured) or disease from the massive
infestations of lice. When it became apparent, after rations had been
reduced to about 250 calories a day, that there would be no one to rescue
them and that General Hoth's attempt to relieve them had failed, they were
still hungry.

What does all this BS proof, well, it proves that in many cases, hunger is
not good (at least not for the men who are dying of starvation) and that
Chung is full of shit. Of course, it also proves that Hitler was one stupid
son-of-a-bitch and that the 6th Army got their ass handed to them but that's
another thread. Have a good week Chungster!