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Dan Bloomquist
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:39 am
Guest
Eeyore wrote:
Quote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:


Eeyore wrote:

"gb6724@yahoo.com" wrote:


As I said, everybody is as stubborn as Bush, so this car will never see light.

It will never see light because it's a stupid idea that doesn't work.

The guy is obviously a nut job. But you are not far behind him if you
won't do the math concerning crop fuels.


http://www.tescocorporate.com/page.aspx?pointerid=6CAE6067F10C4171B40512BC9F0454E8
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6187653.stm

Please provide numbers relative to demand.

Quote:
p.s. I know biofuels are only part of the answer. I've never said otherwise.

What part? One part in a thousand? I've been providing numbers long
before you started posting as Pooh Bear. When you came along, you
started snipping those numbers and waving your arms.

Who do you think you are fooling?
Dan Bloomquist
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:40 am
Guest
Eeyore wrote:

Quote:
Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here ?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...
Dan Bloomquist
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:42 am
Guest
Eeyore wrote:

Quote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:


Eeyore wrote:

"gb6724@yahoo.com" wrote:


how old are you? 15 and premature?

52 and a highly experienced design engineer.

But refuse to crunch certain numbers....


I've never said biofuels can power the entire world.

And you have never admitted they will have no meaningful impact.

All present production may amount to a quarter of a quad. The world will
demand another 75 quad over the next 20 years.
Eeyore
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:17 pm
Guest
Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Quote:
Eeyore wrote:

Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here ?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...

Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a difference" maybe ?

Graham
Eeyore
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:20 pm
Guest
Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Quote:
Eeyore wrote:
Dan Bloomquist wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
"gb6724@yahoo.com" wrote:

how old are you? 15 and premature?

52 and a highly experienced design engineer.

But refuse to crunch certain numbers....


I've never said biofuels can power the entire world.

And you have never admitted they will have no meaningful impact.

What's your definition of meaningful ?


Quote:
All present production may amount to a quarter of a quad. The world will
demand another 75 quad over the next 20 years.

What does that mean ? Liquid fuels alone ? An average of 75/20 quads p.a. over
20 years so assuming a linear increase then 7.5 quad p.a. on top of existing use
after 20 yrs have passed ?

You are rubbish at explaining yourself.

Graham
Fred Kasner
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:15 pm
Guest
Bill Ward wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:25:44 -0800, gb6724@yahoo.com wrote:

www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm

Since you clearly labeled your writing as speculative, I'm assuming you
are posting in good faith, to the right-sounding news group.

Your ideas are not new, in the sense of trying to get energy from water.
When you read, "there is as much energy in the hydrogen obtained from a
gallon of water as there is in half a gallon of gasoline", it may be true,
but highly misleading. What is omitted is that extracting that much
hydrogen from water _always_ takes _more_ energy than is contained in a
half gallon of gasoline. There's no energy in the water, it had to come
from an external source. No ifs, ands, or buts, it had to come from
somewhere else. So trying to use hydrogen for an energy amplifier just
won't work. It winds up costing even more energy.

The other issue that often confuses folks unfamiliar with basic science is
the concept that adding a few steps to a process will somehow make things
work better. The opposite is almost always true. Simple is better.
There's a basic rule in physics - any time you change the form of energy,
you lose some of it as heat.

So when you take mechanical energy from an engine to turn a generator to
make electricity to charge a battery which electrolyses water to make
hydrogen to run your original engine, you've lost big time. For
openers, there's no energy source.

You are way ahead of the game simply burning gasoline in the engine to
start with. Trying to "improve" the efficiency by complicating the
process has the opposite effect. One of the regulars on the NG has
correctly called the scheme a "dynamic brake".

If you are actually interested in contributing to the field, you'll need
to learn a lot more basic science, starting with thoroughly understanding
the concept of energy, then the laws of thermodynamics. They're not hard:

1. "You can't win". (Energy cannot be created or destroyed.)

2. "You can't break even". (Entropy always increases.)

3. "It's the only game in town". (Applies to all closed systems.)

There are a lot of resources available that might be better suited to
educating yourself than this NG. There are so many scammers and looneys
around that regulars tend to get a mite testy at times. But honest
questions will usually be answered honestly.

Regards,

Bill Ward






Actually that third "law" says not that it is the only game in town but
it is the only game in town and you are not capable of leaving the game.
FK
Guest
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:23 pm
<gb6724@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171990304.319623.263880@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
On Feb 19, 3:12 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
"gb6...@yahoo.com" wrote:
www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm

You're an idiot.

Graham

You don't believe it can run on air?

It can't.

Graham

I changed the introduction so you understand what this car is.
It runs on a battery. The battery is powered like a hybrid
car. A hybrid car is not a free energy car. Japanese haven't
figured out how to make hybrid cars free in terms of energy
yet.

www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm



gb6724@yahoo.com,

It's your Gene's malfunction that caused you to claim non-sense.

94% of energy that propels your car came from Gasoline + Electric current,
Not your Hydrogen's dream. When you combined all 3, you assumed falsely.
Robert Adsett
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:26 pm
Guest
This was to go out earlier but posting stopped working so this is as
much as test of that as anything else.

In article <1172004140.753012.311500@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
gb6724@yahoo.com says...
Quote:
On Feb 20, 1:15 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
"gb6...@yahoo.com" wrote:
One needs energy to separate H and O atoms in water.

Indeed.

How much energy?

More than you get back by burning the hydrogen. A *lot* more in fact.

That's where all such dreams about using hydrogen as a fuel fall down. It's
hopelessly inefficient.

Graham

15000-16500 watts. Chemical factories producing hydrogen use 16500
watts.

The above statement is completely meaningless, it mentions power bu
neither time nor the amout of hydrogen produced both of which are
ncessary for any needed comparison. The power the factory uses depends
on its size. Also as As Graham pointed out you confuse power and energy
in your previous posts and on the referenced site.

Let me try an analogy. Think of power as speed and energy as distance.
Watts are units of power watt-hours are units of energy. You purchase
electricity generally as Kilowatt-hours. I just looked at a commercial
electrolyser that produces 2kWh to produce 300 l of H2, which BTW works
out to < 50% efficiency.

Quote:
Given 1 watt is 746 horsepowers, that is equivalent to

No, 1 Hp is 746 Watts

You have invented the most inefficient electric motor I've ever seen
(battery to H2 to ICE to kinetic energy, the mind boggles). I'm sure
someone will point out worse now.

Robert

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Guest
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:28 pm
"Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X" <Ziyonex@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172019523.949574.191450@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
On Feb 20, 3:20 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
"gb6...@yahoo.com" wrote:
how old are you? 15 and premature?

52 and a highly experienced design engineer.

Now go and learn some science before wasting ppls' time with your daft
ideas again.

Graham

lol you're 52 years old and have nothing better to do with your day
than bitch at people with new ideas and inventions. I'm not saying
this guy invented a car that runs on air. I've never seen you say
anything constructive, fuckin dragging people down all the time.


I am 85, any questions?
Guest
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:30 pm
<gb6724@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171990304.319623.263880@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
On Feb 19, 3:12 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
"gb6...@yahoo.com" wrote:
www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm

You're an idiot.

Graham

You don't believe it can run on air?

It can't.

Graham

I changed the introduction so you understand what this car is.
It runs on a battery. The battery is powered like a hybrid
car. A hybrid car is not a free energy car. Japanese haven't
figured out how to make hybrid cars free in terms of energy
yet.

www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm



gb6724@yahoo.com,

It's your Gene's malfunction that caused you to claim non-sense.

94% of energy that propels your car came from Gasoline + Electric current,
Not your Hydrogen's dream. When you combined all 3, you assumed falsely.
Don Lancaster
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:42 pm
Guest
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:
Quote:
gb6724@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171990304.319623.263880@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

On Feb 19, 3:12 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:

"gb6...@yahoo.com" wrote:

www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm

You're an idiot.

Graham

You don't believe it can run on air?

It can't.

Graham

I changed the introduction so you understand what this car is.
It runs on a battery. The battery is powered like a hybrid
car. A hybrid car is not a free energy car. Japanese haven't
figured out how to make hybrid cars free in terms of energy
yet.

www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/new_hydrogen_car.htm




gb6724@yahoo.com,

It's your Gene's malfunction that caused you to claim non-sense.

94% of energy that propels your car came from Gasoline + Electric current,
Not your Hydrogen's dream. When you combined all 3, you assumed falsely.





There is no way in hell that onboard electrolysis can even remotely
approach 6 percent hydrogen injection. The fanbelt alone guarantees this.

BEFORE amortization, of course.
And BEFORE subtracting mechanical and heat losses.

See http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu05.asp for a detailed analysis.

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Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Guest
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:42 pm
<gb6724@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Bush in most ways thinks like Ceausescu. The high-importance
lays with security, police-America, listening to all phone calls in
the world, and thinking little of the little people. Bush's remodeling
projects involves personal supremacy as the head of police.
Bush erects a model Iraq today, a country better than Arabs,
Bush not seeing his violation of culture and humanity with
his private obsession as a rich man in power. Bush created
mass racism, 80-90 percent of Arabs now think negatively
of Americans, while in the past Arabs thought positively of
Americans. Bush takes a supremacist stance (be it as American
or otherwise) over Arabs. The USA is now the world's most hated
country, it was one of the most popular countries. A cold stance
by a leader who knows no other way than to be the man on top
is a a supremacy disorder seen particularly strongly by Hitler,
his pursuit to be the winner, his military that takes nothing but a
win as supreme. It is sad, but that's the case. This is world war
III today, like it or not.

War on terrorism is suicide. Bush has no rights to remodel any Arab
country.

The humanly right thing to do is resign as a Democrat. But it is kind
of very late.

In other countries, presidents who conspire are removed. Bush claimed
Saddam harbors terrorists. These days Bush claims Iran harbors
terrorists. Not one Iraqi killed an American citizen before Bush went
there in the name of war against terrorism. The human crimes are
unprecedented.

The human rights realm is an old dark conservative police-American
culture with history of kkk. Give Bush a burning cross, the kkk is
where one finds it. A population that is brainwashed in radical
extremism, a military in 110 countries that only takes winning, a
mindset that went world hatred due to fanaticism.

The right thing for any Democratic politician would have been to
resign, but it's kind of too late.




Hey gb6724@yahoo.com

I happened to agree with you on these, but not on your claim of Hydrogen's
propelling your car. That one you need to study more, because I can prove
that I have doubled the mileage of regular Gasoline car without hybridgeing
with battery's power or with hydrogen. Gasoline is very power if utilizing
it properly.
Dan Bloomquist
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:59 pm
Guest
Eeyore wrote:

Quote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:


Eeyore wrote:


Since when have you ever made a single positive contribution here ?

Oh, please do define 'positive contribution'...


Anything other than "it can't be done" or "it won't make a difference" maybe ?

And, why don't you support the hydrogen economy? Why all the negative posts?

You will be the only one that doesn't understand how stupid your answer
is. I take that back. Josh and H2PV won't get it.........
Dan Bloomquist
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:01 pm
Guest
Eeyore wrote:

Quote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:


Eeyore wrote:

Dan Bloomquist wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

"gb6724@yahoo.com" wrote:


how old are you? 15 and premature?

52 and a highly experienced design engineer.

But refuse to crunch certain numbers....


I've never said biofuels can power the entire world.

And you have never admitted they will have no meaningful impact.


What's your definition of meaningful ?

It is right below. But you knew that......
Quote:

All present production may amount to a quarter of a quad. The world will
demand another 75 quad over the next 20 years.

What does that mean ? Liquid fuels alone ? An average of 75/20 quads p.a. over
20 years so assuming a linear increase then 7.5 quad p.a. on top of existing use
after 20 yrs have passed ?

If you don't like the number, argue with the EIA.

Quote:
You are rubbish at explaining yourself.

And you are an idiot. But what is new?
Eeyore
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:18 pm
Guest
theloneranger100@aol.com wrote:

Quote:
I can prove that I have doubled the mileage of regular Gasoline car without
hybridgeing
with battery's power or with hydrogen.

What did you do ?

Graham
 
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