Its the same as java.


Actually, its probably more robust and secure than any borland app.

Borland Delphi just wraps up MFC anyway, so therefore it is just a
layer of crap sitting upon windows. Might as well just do it in c#.
You can get the Visual Studio Express for free now too, and you are
even allowed to write commercial code with it. If you dont want .net,
then use the free Visual STudio express c++ edition and write an
unmanaged c++ MFC application.


No great loss there.

Genome wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:
I downloaded a calendar program that also installed ".NET Framework"

I uninstalled the calendar... pure crap.

Does ".NET Framework" have any usefulness, or should I uninstall it
as well?

No..... your computer worked before it was installed your computer
will work after you get rid of it.

Yes, but more and more people are using .net. Once installed, thats
it.

Actually, its probably more robust and secure than any borland app.

Borland Delphi just wraps up MFC anyway

I downloaded a calendar program that also installed ".NET Framework"

I uninstalled the calendar... pure crap.

Does ".NET Framework" have any usefulness, or should I uninstall it as
well?

...Jim Thompson

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:25:58 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I downloaded a calendar program that also installed ".NET Framework"

I uninstalled the calendar... pure crap.

Does ".NET Framework" have any usefulness, or should I uninstall it as
well?

...Jim Thompson

I'd leave it installed. More and more programs are using .NET.
Unfortunately, it's looking more like a MFC piece of crap with version
problems. I recently ran across a program that required .NET 1.1, even
if you had version 2 installed. Perhaps it's due to crappy programming
that they required v1.1. I haven't seen any bad issues leaving it
installed.

---
Mark

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:32:09 GMT, "Genome" <mrspamizgood@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:k61ct2t60icdg2geptsgpg9uevea065jn8@4ax.com...

I downloaded a calendar program that also installed ".NET Framework"

I uninstalled the calendar... pure crap.

Does ".NET Framework" have any usefulness, or should I uninstall it as
well?

...Jim Thompson

No..... your computer worked before it was installed your computer will work
after you get rid of it.


Yes, but more and more people are using .net. Once installed, thats
it.


I know three fifths of bugger all about this stuff but .NET is some new
MicroCrap crap which is another layer of shit MicroCrap are layering on top
of their other crap to 'consolidate' programming under Windows.


Its the same as java.

The fact that this calendar program had to install bits or all of the .NET
framework just so it could tell you what day of the week it is and was shit
at doing that just tells you it is a shit piece of software...... probably
written in Visual NET or some other MicroCrap Crap....


Actually, its probably more robust and secure than any borland app.

You can now get Borland Turbo Delphi for free and write applications for
commercial use. That uses the .NET framework BUT produces stand alone
executables that do not need to install .NET crap on your computer to work.


Borland Delphi just wraps up MFC anyway, so therefore it is just a
layer of crap sitting upon windows. Might as well just do it in c#.
You can get the Visual Studio Express for free now too, and you are
even allowed to write commercial code with it. If you dont want .net,
then use the free Visual STudio express c++ edition and write an
unmanaged c++ MFC application.
Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Now you may be

Fortunately Homer has me on plonk so he won't be able to comment on the crap
I just wrote.


No great loss there.


DNA

I am not associated with the IAENG. ;-)

Before going off on a tangent, I suggest you get the

The Real Andy wrote:
....
Its the same as java.

Sorry it's not.
but that doesn't mean it's any good either.

Does ".NET Framework" have any usefulness ?

The Real Andy wrote:
Its the same as java.

Complete hogwash.

[More of Andy telling more than he knows]

Genome wrote:
Shows how much I know then...

Jim Thompson wrote
Does ".NET Framework" have any usefulness ?

The Real Andy wrote:
Its the same as java.

Complete hogwash.

[More of Andy telling more than he knows]

Genome wrote:
Shows how much I know then...

Andy is no more right than you are. Unless he's trying to say
that dot-Net is similar to Java in that it is *a layer*,
he is just blowing smoke.

The (open source) equivalent of dot-Net, is Mono:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)

I agree with those who are saying that uninstalling it
(and reinstalling it later) has the propensity to do damage.
Before long, Jim will come across some other idiot
who wrote some tiny app that requires this monstrosity.

As Jasen said, by that time this version may be obsolete. 8-(
Mark Chun (qrk) really hit the nail in the head
when he mentioned *version hell*.

The Real Andy wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:32:09 GMT, "Genome" <mrspamizgood@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:k61ct2t60icdg2geptsgpg9uevea065jn8@4ax.com...

I downloaded a calendar program that also installed ".NET Framework"

I uninstalled the calendar... pure crap.

Does ".NET Framework" have any usefulness, or should I uninstall it as
well?

...Jim Thompson

No..... your computer worked before it was installed your computer will work
after you get rid of it.


Yes, but more and more people are using .net. Once installed, thats
it.


I know three fifths of bugger all about this stuff but .NET is some new
MicroCrap crap which is another layer of shit MicroCrap are layering on top
of their other crap to 'consolidate' programming under Windows.


Its the same as java.

Sorry it's not.
but that doesn't mean it's any good either.

The fact that this calendar program had to install bits or all of the .NET
framework just so it could tell you what day of the week it is and was shit
at doing that just tells you it is a shit piece of software...... probably
written in Visual NET or some other MicroCrap Crap....


Actually, its probably more robust and secure than any borland app.

Bad comment to make, Borland apps have nothing to do with security
issues, it's the people writing the code and that's where the problem
is. .NET Robust? i don't think so. Cripple and slow ? yes/.

Microsoft loves people like you, easy brain washing.

You can now get Borland Turbo Delphi for free and write applications for
commercial use. That uses the .NET framework BUT produces stand alone
executables that do not need to install .NET crap on your computer to work.


Borland Delphi just wraps up MFC anyway, so therefore it is just a
layer of crap sitting upon windows. Might as well just do it in c#.
You can get the Visual Studio Express for free now too, and you are
even allowed to write commercial code with it. If you dont want .net,
then use the free Visual STudio express c++ edition and write an
unmanaged c++ MFC application.
Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Now you may be
talking about the VCL. That is Borlands class library and it has no
MFC what's so ever.

Fortunately Homer has me on plonk so he won't be able to comment on the crap
I just wrote.


No great loss there.


DNA

I am not associated with the IAENG. ;-)

Before going off on a tangent, I suggest you get the
facts straight.

.net is robust in the same sense as java. Sure you can write unsafe
code (in fact MS even use the term unsafe in the languages) but then
you are being plain mad.

Cripple and Slow? You quite clearly have never used it in a commercial
environment. I do, in an enterprise environment, and I can assure you
it not cripple and slow.

Microsoft loves people like you, easy brain washing.

Microsoft love people like me because we spend money on their
products. I don't buy the MS marketing, I buy the products because I
can develop in a shorter timeframe and my code is a lot more robust.
In a commercial environment that means a lot, the business gets what
they want on time, I get paid and they then give me more work because
I can deliver. Its pretty simple.

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:15:43 -0500, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:


Its the same as java.

Sorry it's not.
but that doesn't mean it's any good either.


The code behind maybe different, but the model is essentially the
same. Both are managed languages, both compile to an intermediate
language, both are JIT compiled at runtime.
Crap , crap and double crap.

.net is robust in the same sense as java. Sure you can write unsafe
code (in fact MS even use the term unsafe in the languages) but then
you are being plain mad.

Cripple and Slow? You quite clearly have never used it in a commercial
environment. I do, in an enterprise environment, and I can assure you
it not cripple and slow.
Typical young coder.. I've been around the barn far longer than

Microsoft love people like me because we spend money on their
products. I don't buy the MS marketing, I buy the products because I
can develop in a shorter timeframe and my code is a lot more robust.
In a commercial environment that means a lot, the business gets what
they want on time, I get paid and they then give me more work because
I can deliver. Its pretty simple.

Borland Delphi just wraps up MFC anyway, so therefore it is just a
layer of crap sitting upon windows. Might as well just do it in c#.
You can get the Visual Studio Express for free now too, and you are
even allowed to write commercial code with it. If you dont want .net,
then use the free Visual STudio express c++ edition and write an
unmanaged c++ MFC application.

Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Now you may be
talking about the VCL. That is Borlands class library and it has no
MFC what's so ever.


Sorry, I meant Win32. However in saying that, when Borland dropped OWL
they began paying MS a licence fee to use MFC. I have not touched
Borland for some time now, so I don't really know what the deal is
these days.
Borland has never implemented any of MFC in any of the produces to the

I did just knock back a job that involved Borland C++ however. Also
knocked back a Delphi job too, both in preference for a job doing
enterprise .net systems.

You must be Borland user.
Yes i am , i'm also a MS VC++, VS , user.

The Real Andy wrote:

On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:15:43 -0500, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:


Its the same as java.

Sorry it's not.
but that doesn't mean it's any good either.


The code behind maybe different, but the model is essentially the
same. Both are managed languages, both compile to an intermediate
language, both are JIT compiled at runtime.
Crap , crap and double crap.
.NET is not the same in the background.


.net is robust in the same sense as java. Sure you can write unsafe
code (in fact MS even use the term unsafe in the languages) but then
you are being plain mad.

Cripple and Slow? You quite clearly have never used it in a commercial
environment. I do, in an enterprise environment, and I can assure you
it not cripple and slow.
Typical young coder.. I've been around the barn far longer than
you think.

I feel sorry for people like you getting lead down that dark
path.

Microsoft love people like me because we spend money on their
products. I don't buy the MS marketing, I buy the products because I
can develop in a shorter timeframe and my code is a lot more robust.
In a commercial environment that means a lot, the business gets what
they want on time, I get paid and they then give me more work because
I can deliver. Its pretty simple.

Yeah i know, it's pretty simple. MS loves simple users.
glad you finally admitted it.


Borland Delphi just wraps up MFC anyway, so therefore it is just a
layer of crap sitting upon windows. Might as well just do it in c#.
You can get the Visual Studio Express for free now too, and you are
even allowed to write commercial code with it. If you dont want .net,
then use the free Visual STudio express c++ edition and write an
unmanaged c++ MFC application.

Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Now you may be
talking about the VCL. That is Borlands class library and it has no
MFC what's so ever.


Sorry, I meant Win32. However in saying that, when Borland dropped OWL
they began paying MS a licence fee to use MFC. I have not touched
Borland for some time now, so I don't really know what the deal is
these days.
Borland has never implemented any of MFC in any of the produces to the
end user. I don't know where you got this information from but it's
clearly incorrect. Borland has there own set of class libraries that
simply sprang from the early days of OWL. they call it the VCL now.
VCL = Visual Control Library.

I did just knock back a job that involved Borland C++ however. Also
knocked back a Delphi job too, both in preference for a job doing
enterprise .net systems.

Don't feel bad, you did them a favor by not letting them hire you.

You must be Borland user.
Yes i am , i'm also a MS VC++, VS , user.
write code for Windows Mobile etc..
I've been in the field sense the day's of
punch card computers and have fallow the
product line's of Borland, MS, Symantic, Watcom
to say a few.

Now that we're done with our pissing contest, go back
to your slow .NET MS controlled applications. and hope
you have fun writing slow bloated code.

Just think, since you're suck a good MS customer, maybe they
won't make you wait for months to fix a crash/serious bug that
arises in your code due to a frame work error that only MS can
fix.

Jamie wrote:
[...]
Borland has never implemented any of MFC in any of the produces to
the end user. I don't know where you got this information from but
it's clearly incorrect. Borland has there own set of class libraries
that simply sprang from the early days of OWL. they call it the VCL
now. VCL = Visual Control Library.

Ahh, remember when Borland dropped OWL, they licenced MFC? Remeber
that there was some condition regarding the approval that prevented
Borland from continuing with MFC? It was about this time that everyone
stopped using broland products. VCL is completely different.

I still cant see where you get slow and bloated from. You really
should spend some time using .net, you will be surprised.

Just think, since you're suck a good MS customer, maybe they
won't make you wait for months to fix a crash/serious bug that
arises in your code due to a frame work error that only MS can
fix.

Hasn't happened to me yet, and I have been using .net for 4 years now.

Ahh, remember when Borland dropped OWL, they licenced MFC? Remeber
that there was some condition regarding the approval that prevented
Borland from continuing with MFC? It was about this time that everyone
stopped using broland products. VCL is completely different.

/how Borland "lost" the C++ market