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Guy Parry

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:45 pm

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Anybody else notice there were no shots of the shuttle
approaching ISS, showing the vehicle in its entirety? A contact at
JSC dismissed my complaint as follows:

The ISS crew are sent schematics that show the specific photos that
are required by the engineers on the ground to look for damage. These
photos are taken with several different types of camera and lens. The
extreme HiRes engineering photos showing the tiles don't end up on HSF
because they are for the engineers not the general public. The photos
taken during approach are to look for damage so as to insure crew
safety they are not "pretty" shots taken for the public.

Makes me wonder why the crew are given cameras at all. Why not
have a sketch-artist aboard if 'pretty' pictures are considred a waste
of time, as appears the case.

Dan Foster

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:17 am

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In article <j815t2l4g1ib25ngl9042mbk4vj8uonkg8@4ax.com>, Guy Parry <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

Quote:

Best I can suggest, if you can't get it any other way, is to file a
Freedom Of Information Act request which WILL get looked at and
processed. NASA may grant it or they may deny it, but they are legally
required to respond.

NASA is required by federal law to provide the initial response
confirming granting or denying of request within 20 working days. It
also may take some more time (and possibly some money to cover expenses
incurred) to dig up material if granted.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/FOIA/

That website has more information about how the FOIA is implemented at
NASA, as well as a link to the request form that you can fill out
online.

-Dan

Brian Gaff

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:47 am

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I'd have thought at the moment they would be glad to show such pictures,
even if they are not that interesting. Maybe they just cannot be bothered.

:-)

Brian

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In article <j815t2l4g1ib25ngl9042mbk4vj8uonkg8@4ax.com>, Guy Parry
nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
Anybody else notice there were no shots of the shuttle
approaching ISS, showing the vehicle in its entirety? A contact at
JSC dismissed my complaint as follows:

The ISS crew are sent schematics that show the specific photos that
are required by the engineers on the ground to look for damage. These
photos are taken with several different types of camera and lens. The
extreme HiRes engineering photos showing the tiles don't end up on HSF
because they are for the engineers not the general public. The photos
taken during approach are to look for damage so as to insure crew
safety they are not "pretty" shots taken for the public.

Best I can suggest, if you can't get it any other way, is to file a
Freedom Of Information Act request which WILL get looked at and
processed. NASA may grant it or they may deny it, but they are legally
required to respond.

NASA is required by federal law to provide the initial response
confirming granting or denying of request within 20 working days. It
also may take some more time (and possibly some money to cover expenses
incurred) to dig up material if granted.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/FOIA/

That website has more information about how the FOIA is implemented at
NASA, as well as a link to the request form that you can fill out
online.

-Dan

Brian Thorn

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:50 pm

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:45:13 +1100, Guy Parry <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

Quote:

The ISS crew are sent schematics that show the specific photos that
are required by the engineers on the ground to look for damage. These
photos are taken with several different types of camera and lens. The
extreme HiRes engineering photos showing the tiles don't end up on HSF
because they are for the engineers not the general public. The photos
taken during approach are to look for damage so as to insure crew
safety they are not "pretty" shots taken for the public.

I think this simply means that none of the Station crew at the time
had any artistic ability or much interest in photography. All the
previous crews managed to get great engineering shots *and* a few
beauty shots. Not these guys.

It happens I guess. To these guys, the photography was clearly
something they were forced to do and did not enjoy doing. You can see
it in their matter-of-fact photos. I know people who are just useless
with cameras... cutting off tops of heads, getting their thumbs in
half the frame... and the STS-116/ISS-14 photos are only a little
better.

Photographic talent certainly isn't a priority for ISS crews, but it
sure is appreciated when we get astronauts who have it.

Brian

Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:55 am

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:50:59 GMT, Brian Thorn <bthorn64@cox.net>
wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:45:13 +1100, Guy Parry <nobody@nowhere.com
wrote:

The ISS crew are sent schematics that show the specific photos that
are required by the engineers on the ground to look for damage. These
photos are taken with several different types of camera and lens. The
extreme HiRes engineering photos showing the tiles don't end up on HSF
because they are for the engineers not the general public. The photos
taken during approach are to look for damage so as to insure crew
safety they are not "pretty" shots taken for the public.

I think this simply means that none of the Station crew at the time
had any artistic ability or much interest in photography. All the
previous crews managed to get great engineering shots *and* a few
beauty shots. Not these guys.

It happens I guess. To these guys, the photography was clearly
something they were forced to do and did not enjoy doing. You can see
it in their matter-of-fact photos. I know people who are just useless
with cameras... cutting off tops of heads, getting their thumbs in
half the frame... and the STS-116/ISS-14 photos are only a little
better.

Photographic talent certainly isn't a priority for ISS crews, but it
sure is appreciated when we get astronauts who have it.

Brian

The crews up there joy-riding around in their shiny supertoys are
in the Service of Humanity, for crying out loud! The very *least* I
expect for that sort of financial layout are a minumum set of shots
for the historical record. I consider missing out on such photos
bordering on criminal negligence and a cause for disciplinary action.
I'm hoping another short truss extension will be required for the
opposite array? If THAT mission receives similar treatment we'll
never see what it looked like in space, which is what this is all
about.
My contact also replied, and here I paraphrase, that shots of the
cargo were taken on the ground prior to launch, so what's the fuss?
Talk about completely missing the point. Carry that argument to its
logical extreme and the Apollo moon astronauts would have only been
given cameras and b&w film to photograph *rocks*. Why bother to take
shots of themselves at work up there or those superb ones posing
alongside the Stars and Stripes when we already had shots of them
training taken here on Earth?
I think maybe she's in the wrong job. I suggest the McDonalds
down the road. At least I can guarantee the folks she'd be working
with couldn't give a f**k about shuttle photographs, either.

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