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Grant Erwin
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:01 am
Guest
I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the guy
would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco Mini-MIG
and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is shipshape,
but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and contact
tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see much
difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent bursts of
light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of voltages and
wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the welder) and
it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks like it's tubular.
I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't think of
anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying to diagnose a
problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could have dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE
Gunner
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:39 am
Guest
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:01:01 -0800, Grant Erwin
<grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

Quote:
I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the guy
would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco Mini-MIG
and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is shipshape,
but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and contact
tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see much
difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent bursts of
light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of voltages and
wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the welder) and
it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks like it's tubular.
I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't think of
anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying to diagnose a
problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could have dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE

Got the polarity correct?

Is your ground clamp ok?

Is the wire feeding out smoothly when you push the go button?

Bang bank sounds like too fast a feed and too little power.

Gunner

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Grant Erwin
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:13 am
Guest
Gunner wrote:
Quote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:01:01 -0800, Grant Erwin
grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:


I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the guy
would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco Mini-MIG
and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is shipshape,
but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and contact
tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see much
difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent bursts of
light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of voltages and
wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the welder) and
it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks like it's tubular.
I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't think of
anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying to diagnose a
problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could have dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE


Got the polarity correct?

Is your ground clamp ok?

Is the wire feeding out smoothly when you push the go button?

Bang bank sounds like too fast a feed and too little power.

Polarity is correct, tried it both ways anyway.
Ground clamp seems OK, was clamped directly to workpiece.
Wire feeds perfectly.
I'll try highest power with real low speed, although I think I tried that already.

Thanks!

GWE
Nick Mueller
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:22 am
Guest
Grant Erwin wrote:

Quote:
I'll try highest power with real low speed, although I think I tried that
already.

Check the connections up to the wire jet. It might be a simple contact
problem there.


Nick
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MES
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:58 am
Guest
Is it gas shielded or self shielded?
"Grant Erwin" <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:12t2hcg21ot6qcb@corp.supernews.com...
Quote:
I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the
guy would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco
Mini-MIG and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is
shipshape, but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and
contact tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see
much difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent
bursts of light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of
voltages and wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the
welder) and it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks
like it's tubular. I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto
the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't
think of anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying
to diagnose a problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could have
dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE
Keith Marshall
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:48 am
Guest
Quote:
I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the
guy would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco
Mini-MIG and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is
shipshape, but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

I've never actually done this before because I haven't needed to so I'm just
giving a best guess...

I'd check the output voltage with a multimeter, both on DC and on AC. On DC
I'd expect something like 15 to 35 volts, depending on the settings. I
wouldn't expect much of anything to show up on AC but there may be a little
ripple. If it's more than half a volt or so I'd check the caps.

If you can, check it under load as well. Since a MIG welder has a constant
voltage output it shouldn't change much but the cheaper the welder the more
drop I'd expect. If it happens to be a Harbor Freight (Chicago Electric)
unit they may have a manual for it online that will include a basic
schematic.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall
tooladdict@progressivelogic.com

"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"


"Grant Erwin" <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:12t2hcg21ot6qcb@corp.supernews.com...
Quote:
I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the
guy would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco
Mini-MIG and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is
shipshape, but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and
contact tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see
much difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent
bursts of light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of
voltages and wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the
welder) and it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks
like it's tubular. I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto
the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't
think of anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying
to diagnose a problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could have
dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE
Grant Erwin
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:02 pm
Guest
Self.

MES wrote:
Quote:
Is it gas shielded or self shielded?

"Grant Erwin" <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:12t2hcg21ot6qcb@corp.supernews.com...

I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the
guy would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco
Mini-MIG and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is
shipshape, but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and
contact tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see
much difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent
bursts of light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of
voltages and wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the
welder) and it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks
like it's tubular. I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto
the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't
think of anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying
to diagnose a problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could have
dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE


Guest
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:42 pm
On Feb 13, 5:01 am, Grant Erwin <g...@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

Quote:
It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and contact
tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see much
difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent bursts of
light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of voltages and
wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

Any ideas?

GWE

From your description it sounds as if the wire speed is too slow.
With wire feed welders the current varies with the voltage. So if you

are not getting enough heat to get a puddle, it seems like the current
is too low. Try measuring the wire speed. Feed for three seconds and
multiply the amount of wire fed by twenty to get feet per minute.

Dan
RoyJ
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:54 pm
Guest
Try it at max heat and almost minimum wire speed. These small welders
have so little capacity that you need to dial down the amperage (wire
speed) to allow the voltage to build up.

I'd also try it with a NEW roll of wire, or at least strip off a hundred
feet and throw it away. The top layers tend to go bad with short
storage, the whole roll can go bad with long storage.

Grant Erwin wrote:
Quote:
I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and
the guy would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is
a Tweco Mini-MIG and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now
the gun is shipshape, but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a
crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and
contact tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see
much difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off
intermittent bursts of light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a
whole range of voltages and wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a
difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the
welder) and it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks
like it's tubular. I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto
the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't
think of anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying
to diagnose a problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could
have dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE
Guest
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:03 pm
I had almost the same exact problem with a used Lincoln SP-125+ that I
got for a great price. I could get a spark at the wire tip but no
current to weld. I finally tracked it down to a problem inside the
gun cable. The power wire (a circular mesh-like wire strand) was
broken. I do not know if it had been frayed or a short-circuit
overload fried it. Anyway, no welding current. There was just enough
current through the liner to get the initial spark. Luckily, the
broken area was right at the cable end that plugs into the machine. I
was able to cut into the cable and repair it and reassemble it. Works
like a champ now.

If you have access to another gun assembly, I would temporarily swap
it out. If it still does not work, then that locates the problem
inside the power supply itself.

Tom Doody
Steve B
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:59 pm
Guest
Cheap 110 MIG machines make good boat anchors. Be sure to cut the cables so
they don't get all tangled up with the bottom.

Steve
Snag
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:39 pm
Guest
Steve B wrote:
Quote:
Cheap 110 MIG machines make good boat anchors. Be sure to cut the
cables so they don't get all tangled up with the bottom.

Steve

Hey , I kinda like my little WeldPak 100 ! If it's used for light
materials it does just fine . I've used mine for mat'l up to 1/4" , just
gotta make more that one pass . I like it lots better since I added gas ,
never could get a fluxcore bead to look good .
Got a tombstone for the bigger stuff .

--

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'76 FLH "Bag Lady"
BS132 SENS NEWT
"A hand shift is a manly shift ."
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none to one to reply
Kelley Mascher
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:13 am
Guest
I had a similar problem with my Lincoln SP120. Turned out the contact
surfaces on the ground clamp were oxidized. It looked clean enough but
obviously it wasn't. A quick swipe with an angle grinder and it worked
fine.

Cheers,

Kelley

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:01:01 -0800, Grant Erwin
<grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

Quote:
I picked up a little 110v MIG welder recently. It didn't cost much, and the guy
would probably take it back if I can't make it work. The gun is a Tweco Mini-MIG
and it needed a button, a liner and a new diffuser. Now the gun is shipshape,
but I just can't make the damn thing weld worth a crap.

It's loaded with .035" fluxcore wire (yes, I have the right liner and contact
tip) and I tried both polarities in desperation, but I can't see much
difference. The wire just goes bang bang bang giving off intermittent bursts of
light, so I never get a puddle at all. I tried a whole range of voltages and
wire speeds and nothing much seems to make a difference.

I checked to make sure the wire is really fluxcore (it came with the welder) and
it's very fragile and under 4X magnification it really looks like it's tubular.
I'd wondered if the guy had wound some hardwire onto the fluxcore reel.

It seems possible the wire is bad somehow, but other than that I can't think of
anything I can try short of disassembling the welder and trying to diagnose a
problem electronically. I suppose its output caps could have dried up.

Any ideas?

GWE
Steve B
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:05 am
Guest
"Snag" <snagone@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:vLtAh.17323$p9.2601@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Quote:
Steve B wrote:
Cheap 110 MIG machines make good boat anchors. Be sure to cut the
cables so they don't get all tangled up with the bottom.

Steve

Hey , I kinda like my little WeldPak 100 ! If it's used for light
materials it does just fine . I've used mine for mat'l up to 1/4" , just
gotta make more that one pass . I like it lots better since I added gas ,
never could get a fluxcore bead to look good .
Got a tombstone for the bigger stuff .

--

Snag aka OSG #1
'76 FLH "Bag Lady"
BS132 SENS NEWT
"A hand shift is a manly shift ."
shamelessly stolen
none to one to reply


I have seen many an offbrand cheap 110 MIG that is still puffing along. For
what they are meant to weld, they are just about as handy as a Tombstone.

It's just that a lot of them are POSs to start with, and impossible to buy
parts for once they do take a crap. Not all, just a lot.

And, if you don't weld a lot, most any machine will last a lot of years when
you only run it ten minutes a month.

If you use it ten hours a month, then, it's a different story. Or if you
count on it to make you money, and it needs to start and run EVERY time you
need it.

Steve
Steve B
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:08 am
Guest
"Kelley Mascher" <mascherk@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mp25t2lampbq7n0o5f273g244e2d97dres@4ax.com...
Quote:

I had a similar problem with my Lincoln SP120. Turned out the contact
surfaces on the ground clamp were oxidized. It looked clean enough but
obviously it wasn't. A quick swipe with an angle grinder and it worked
fine.

Cheers,

Kelley


I had that problem where the copper lug bolted on to the clamp. It drove me
crazy until I accidentally bumped it and it sparked. I have seen lots of
trailer wiring that wouldn't work, and learned the first thing to check is
the ground wire, and the grounding surface. Lots of time, just a little
wirebrushing is all it takes.

Why is it that sometimes the obvious is the last things we check?

Steve
 
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